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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:03 PM
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Grand Canyon hiking.
Mr. kt and I are hikers. My obsession is to get to the bottom of Grand Canyon. We are training and reading all we can from various sites (one that I found here at DU!)

If anyone here has made the hike, I'd love to hear your advice. If anyone else has done extensive hiking (Grand Canyon or not) I'd like to gather your advice as well.

Our plans is to make the trek in April of 2007. We're considering going down South Kaibob, camping at Bright Angel Campsite, possibly camping at one more location on the floor, and heading up Bright Angel trail.

Our last trip to Arizona, we spent time at both Sedona hiking and camping and at Grand Canyon, also hiking and camping. We have gone a little over 3 miles down Bright Angel.

Please, all advice is welcome. Pretend like we don't know anything. I will appreciate anything anyone would like to advise.

I will also be cross-posting this to other areas as well in an attempt to reach as much of DU as possible.

Thank you all in advance. I know I'll get great advice from my wonderful DU friends!

kt
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:07 PM
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1. Oooooh, lucky! Mr Nay and I are going to the Grand Canyon in
September, but since he's not a hiker :-( , we will just be driving around. I'd love to hike down! I'll be watching this thread for advice on what to see. Enjoy your trip next year.
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TriSec Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:09 PM
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2. It's all about the altitude.
I've done a lot of hiking around Baxter State Park in Maine (Mt. Katadin...end of the Appalachian trail)

Because you're hiking down to start, it's very deceptive. You're starting from 7,000 feet at the South Rim. I'd advise a number of training hikes at altitude, and whatever prep excercises you can do to build cardiovascular strength...

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kahleefornia Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:18 PM
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3. You will love it
Sounds like you're doing your homework and know what you're in for. April will be great weather - of course you know that even if it's cool on the rim, it's still hot at the bottom. Unless you need boots for ankle support, I always suggest a sneaker-type hiking shoe. I personally like more flexibility and cushioning for the knee pounding descent. BUT - that's a very individual preference, so do whatever you're comfortable with there.

Bring salty snacks as well as sweet ones. IMHO, gatorade is silly. If you eat, you'll replace electrolytes just as well as if you have a sports drink.

Broad rimmed hat, lots of sunscreen, lots of water - pack more than you think you'll need, expecially if the weather is cool and you're starting to think "hey...this water is heavy...I bet I don't need so much."

Take your time on the way up and enjoy it - don't feel like it's some kind of race, or that other people passing you is embarassing. Think about why you're there - to SEE the canyon, not to be some showoff uber-hiker.

And then - absolutely - post a trip report here when you're done!! I used to live in Arizona, and have hiked all over the state. I miss it, even though California is pretty spectacular too.
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The Deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:22 PM
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4. Since You Said To Pretend You Don't Know Anything...
...my favorite hiking tip (and one I rarely see mentioned anywhere) is to pop a hard candy (lemon drops are best) in your mouth to stimulate saliva - water breaks feel more like breaks & less like extraordinary life saving measures. I also make everyone drink a liter of water BEFORE starting whether they feel thristy or not (actually, if they feel thirsty I make them drink TWO liters of water.) I enforce timed breaks - even if you feel rested after five minutes you stay down for the full ten. Always remember the Old Ground Pounders Maxim: if you don't need to pee you're not drinking enough water!

All probably pretty basic for anyone ready for the Grand Canyon (I'm not) but they bear repeating even if just to remind myself.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:27 PM
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5. Books
Edited on Sun Jun-04-06 05:28 PM by troubleinwinter
Get three of the best books you can find and study em!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-8681769-1859232?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=backpacking+grand+canyon&Go.x=6&Go.y=9

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_pg_2/002-8681769-1859232?%5Fencoding=UTF8&keywords=hiking%20grand%20canyon&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ahiking%20grand%20canyon&page=2

TriSec is right... you will start at some altitude, and the trick is to travel very slow & easy. It aint a race. My backpacking guru always taught me to travel as slow as the slowest person in the party is comfortable, with easy breath. Wouldn't want to scare the little lizards, ya know!

Water, water, water, water, water. You will contend with the dryness, a bit of altitude, hopefully not too much heat that time of year, but maybe!

April is a perfect time to go. I live not too far from there. I have not backpacked the Canyon, but many other places.

Congrats! It will be a trip of a lifetime!

P.S. Water, water, water.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:35 PM
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6. Go down Paria Canyon as well.
Edited on Sun Jun-04-06 05:37 PM by Jara sang
Slot Canyon on UT-AZ border. It is spectacular.





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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:38 PM
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8. WOW!!! That is amazing!
Thank you so much!

kt
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kahleefornia Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 12:28 AM
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20. great pics
I hiked there about 4 years ago. Going through the pools is really fun - you never know how deep they're going to be. We got into a few that were chest deep, and COLD. Did you see the petroglyphs on the wall in front of you in the second pic?
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 01:30 AM
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21. I didn't take those pics
Found them on Google image. I went down Paria in '95 explored Buckskin Gulch too. Yeah the areas of quicksand were interesting. There was a feature of Buckskin Gulch called "the Cesspool" We entered it, the slot canyon narrowed to where you could touch both walls with your arms extended. The gulch itself was so deep that the bottom of the gulch in that area only saw the light of day if the sun was directly overhead. It was filled with foul stagnant water and debris from the last flash flood, the water itself was about waist deep. Went a few hundred yards and said 'Nahhh' we opted out and went topside to get out of the Gulch. We found ourselves in the middle of the Utah Desert about 15 miles from our car on a seldom used backcountry road with little water. We found a place on a map that was marked "Well" yet when we got there it was empty and when I gripped the lever for the pump it was so rusted it broke off in my hand. As the sun went down we were resigned with the fact that we were going to spend a cold night in the desert with no water. Luckily some people with a Nissan Pathfinder came by 30 minutes later. We got lucky.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:36 PM
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7. Thank you all so much for the advice.
I will keep this thread bookmarked and keep checking to see other replies.

I seriously can not wait. I spend all my free time thinking about Grand Canyon. hell, I even dream about it! I am a certified Canyon Junkie!

I will certainly write a trip report and include pictures as well!

Thanks!

kt

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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:40 PM
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9. Oh man, you should check out the slot canyons in Utah.
Go to the Narrows in Zion or Grand Staircase-Escalante. The Grand Canyon is great but these slots in Utah are unreal.
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islandspirit Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:58 PM
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10. We've hiked to Phantom Ranch Twice
In June of 1993 we hiked from the North Rim down to PRanch - way too hot - but we wanted to go again when weather was good so we did it in 1996 in April - much better choice. Dusting of snow at the top of South Kaibab when we started down so we were dressed in layers & it wasn't long before we were reducing & carrying. About 40 degrees at top & 75 at bottom in mid April for us.
Take time to enjoy the view as it changes at every curve & with the sun coming up & shadows, it's unbelievable. South Kaibab is a great trail - quite short to the bottom but steep (hence the shortness). Wear really good hiking boots with good ankle support as it's a rocky walk. We asked what the people do who work at PRanch & they hike out the South Kaibab at about 4am & are at the top by 8am. We did the Bright Angel coming out but would not again. We'd do the SKaibab & carry all our water (no water on it but 2 on BAngel). It's between 2-3 miles shorter - hence much faster - also no MULES - besides the poop, it's much more crowded, longer & the right of way is to the mules........so you stop a lot - you are also forced to stand on the outside - they can always bump into you & it's a long way down.
Consider carrying those power bars from REI or other places. We were recently at Havasu falls (western end of canyon) for the 2nd time too & we hiked out about 5pm & got out about 8:30pm with the moon as our light - 2 stops & power bars really assisted us to the top.
Training - you can't possibly do enough. We went to yosemite for a long weekend & hiked to top of yosemite falls, other falls & glacier point. But climing back out of Phantom Ranch is tough. Take it slow......and enjoy & before you know it, you're at the top.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 07:17 PM
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11. Alternate trails
I've done the rim to river hike many times, and a little "stairmaster" is worth
doing ahead of time, as well, take 2 walking sticks to take the shock off your knees
on a 1 mile downhill walk. (vertical elevation). WAlking downhill for a mile
in mule piss (puddles of mule piss on the bright/bride angels trail). hermit trail
is less "pissed".

If you've the time to get some alternate permits in peach springs, you can hike
meriwhittika (sp) canyon. Go to the library and get a CCC trail map from the
1940's. It will show you trails that no longer exist by modern maps, but sill
exist on the planet to hike.

Take your water-purify tablets.. cysts and leeches, not worth it.

Be prepared for theft in the back country, and be wary, no fun to get ripped off
on the trail.

Make sure your boots fit right, and/or make sure you have the bandages and
gear for a twisted ankle, blisters and heatstroke.

Enjoy, the canyon is lovely (minus all those fucking airplane engines).

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nansocal Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 08:24 PM
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12. Please,,,,,
make sure you have comfortable hiking boots...and take a pair of tennis shoes to put on once you reach the bottom to give your feet a boot rest. ... for me going down was painful on the toes and knees...and going up was tiring.....and always give the mules (going up or down) the right of way...my sister was kicked on the thigh by one...we were told she is the only person ever in all the grand canyon years to have that privilege.......remember what you take down , you haul back up, trash and all....
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likesmountains 52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 08:34 PM
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13. A hiking pole, or walking sticks will save your knees...for Paria
you need a permit to make the through hike...book in advance. Also, be sure to keep an eye on weather forecasts before hiking in any slot canyons. There are many places where it would be impossible to escape if flash flooding occurred. Have fun!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 08:38 PM
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14. I've been to the Grand Canyon
That's a hell of a hike, girl!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 08:40 PM
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15. getting to the bottom is no big deal
if you have bad knees, though, wear some sort of knee braces.

getting back up again is another story.

find the steepest thing you have nearby, load a backpack with about 50 pounds and climb it for 8 hours at a stretch.

I've backpacked the Canyon. It is magical.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 08:51 PM
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16. I went almost to the bottom....
We couldn't go all the way because we were just on a day trip. We went down the trail that has the donkey ranch at the top...South Kabob trail I believe, the same one you're going down!

It's not hard..but we did it in February so it was cooler than Summer (but still quite warm).

The trail is described as "very strenuous", but I think it's fine. My gf was a little nervous because there was ice at the beginning of the trail, but that disappeared quickly.

You're living my dream to go back and camp overnight!

My only advice is this:

When you are walking downhill commit to your steps. Don't be hesitant about placing your foot, get a stride happening and let your weight follow your foot. If you are tentative and reach out with your foot, attempt to place it, and then try to follow with your weight your foot will want to slip. Plant your foot flat with weight on it and it will stick.
As well, when conditions allow don't try to slow yourself at each step. You will save a great deal of energy and your legs will feel better for the climb up if you maintain your momentum in your descending stride. As soon as you've planted a foot allow your knee to bend and your weight to flow through to your next step. If you stop yourself at every step it strains your muscles.

Have fun!
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 11:04 PM
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17. Thank you all so much!
I'll keep checking back in!
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 11:36 PM
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18. It's dry, and it can be 100 F at the bottom when it's snowing at the top.
It's a huge elevation drop. Are you planning on hiking back up, too?

The hike down is not bad, though I'm a North rim girl myself. (Grew up in the area.) If you can get a lift back up, you're golden.

If you don't live at altitude now, you'll need about 3x the water that you would need at sea level. We who live in the thin air adapt... a little. But you'll lose water faster than you do at a lower altitude. It's also dry as a bone.

If you have a dog big enough to pack, you might want to get him boots, a pack and teach him to pack with you. Carry extra socks and lots of blister-bandages.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 11:53 PM
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19.  I lived at the Grand Canyon for three years
The nice thing about coming up the Bright Angel is that you have more places to get water and more shade. I don't remember the South Kaibab trail having many if any places to get water. Also, on the way up the Bright Angel you can stop at Indian Gardens for rest for camping and it's beautiful and shady at around 4,000 feet with lots of picnic tables.

If you decide to go up the Kaibab I believe it's an easier trail and shorter but fewer places to stop and drink.

Very important! You must start hiking out of the canyon before the sun comes up! If you don't you will be amazed how hot it get early in the morning. The bottom is at around 2,000 feet and can reach temperatures of 110 degrees. I suggest getting up around 5:00 in the morning and heading out. The top is at 7,000 feet so it's usually about 15 to 20 degrees cooler and you are in the Pines. The top of the Bright Angel has several hotels and restaurants so you can celebrate by eating at a nice place when you reach the top.

The best hike is going from the North Rim to the South Rim! If their is a way you can get dropped off at the North Rim.

Another AWESOME trail is the ten mile hike down to Havasupai and Navajo Falls! The falls are world class and turquoise blue! Their is a small Indian Village at the bottom of the canyon their and you are on Indian Reservation the whole time. It's my favorite hike in the canyon.

Good Luck and feel free to contact me for more information. I have hiked many of the trails in the Grand Canyon.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:47 PM
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22. I'm giving this a self-kick!
Thank you to all who have responded so far. I have definitely bookmarked this for reference.

I was very disappointed to see this moved from GD. I put it there because I was hoping to find a large number of readers and responders. And it was in GD where I received 17 responses. I already had a cross-posting of this in DU.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:49 PM
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23. Well, you know what they say:
HYDRATE OR DIE!! Seriously. Bring extra water, much more than you think you'll need.

Have fun! I'm jealous! :hi:
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 02:54 PM
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24. doing it in one day is fun
Here's what I wrote about it on my blog:

DEVIL'S CORKSCREW, NORTHERN ARIZONA MONDAY 3/29/04, 11:30 AM. I didn't know the name of this section of the trail when I was there but in retrospect it was quite appropriate. Especially since when I stopped to catch my breath and seek some shade I would not have been at all surprised if old Lucifer himself moseyed up and said:

"Ok, you little snot. Time to pay for your sins. You arrogantly disregarded all the warnings to not attempt to hike from the Grand Canyon Rim to the Colorado River in one day. Don't you read your own blog? Arrogance is bad and frequently leads to a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering. And if you're gonna tempt fate could you at least make it a bit more of a challenge for those of us on the dark side? You should have just gotten it over with quick by tossing yourself off a cliff. The only bad news is that the Park Service is probably gonna have to go to the expense of hauling your carcass out of here since it's so filled with the toxins you've ingested over the years that even the vultures won't have anything to do with it."

Even though I'm not a spiritual, contemplative kind of guy I couldn't help myself from thinking deep thoughts, since the rest stop at Devil's Corkscrew took place about half an hour after I had spent three hours hiking through scenery of such breathtaking beauty that all I could do was gaze in awe and think to myself: "Holy shit. The universe really tis a wondrous place. I think I'll just sit on this rock and ponder what sort of magical forces could have created it." But before I got too lost in my cosmic reverie the voice of Crash Davis from Bull Durham intervened: "The moment's over."

I dug out my watch and tried to calculate how fast I'd have to hike to ensure that I'd be out of the Canyon in time to meet the folks who were picking me up. Folks who would have been most annoyed and concerned if I wasn't where I said I was gonna be.

How did I get there in the first place? Well, like most of the good things that have happened to me; the epic trip to the Colorado River wasn't planned. The day before the hike our group arrived at the Grand Canyon to look at the legendary vistas and get the low-down on potential hikes. From the Rim I couldn't see the river but I knew it was there and I knew that I really wanted to see it. I was prepared for the possibility of not making it down there but I knew that if I didn't I'd always regret it, in the same way that I regret not being more aggressive about expressing my desires to people that I had crushes on 20 years ago.

I joined the part of our group that walked along the Rim while others looked into the possibility of getting rooms at the Phantom Ranch, the lodge at the Colorado River, since experts agreed that the only safe way to hike to the river was to spend a night there. Our group reconvened and we got the word on lodging at the Phantom Ranch. The two guys who went to the trouble of going to the reservations desk got the last two spots. No room for me. Thud. Another invitation to a wedding where I couldn't honestly be able to wish all the best for the happy couple.

I had half a day to consider options. I studied maps and a plan emerged. I'd leave at dawn with the guys staying at the Ranch. They'd take the steep Kaibab Trail which is a few miles east of the Bright Angel trail that I planned to explore. The map said there were phones every couple of miles at rest stops. I could call civilization and arrange a pick-up after I decided how long I felt like hiking. I went to bed resigned to the prospect of not making it to the river. Maybe I could do it later in the week. The decisive vote was cast by memories of Halloween. That night party hosts asked if I was ok to ride my bike home. I said yes, even though I wasn't ok. I just didn't want to admit that there were things I couldn't do. A few hours later I was in the ER. No major damage except to my wallet. If I can't afford a one-mile ambulance ride then I sure as hell can't afford the cost of sending a helicopter to medevac me out of the Canyon.

In the morning I left with the other guys and waited a few minutes in vain at the reservations desk for more cancellations. It wasn't meant to be so I set off by myself. I hit the trailhead at 6:50 AM and more philosophic thoughts ensued. I'm typing this on a spiffy new computer with loud music from my boombox in the background, knowing that I'm just a couple clicks away from being able to check the Internet for the answer to any research or news question that I wonder about, and if that isn't enough to stimulate me I can toss in a DVD or turn on the TV. Could life get any better? Well, yes, when those options aren't available and weak willed folks are forced to rely on something else for so-called entertainment. Are these electronic distractions the product of the Devil? Well, I wouldn't go that far since you wouldn't be reading this if not for the wonders of technology but once in a while I think everybody needs to get away, far away.

Here's hoping that technology comes through for me and that the photos that accompany this blog do a halfway decent job of conveying what I saw, since I don't have enough talent to adequately describe it. But I realize that the photos have limitations. Two-dimensional images just don't capture the vibe. And an important element of the experience was the sounds or lack thereof. I know it's a cliche but Robert Frost and Simon and Garfunkel were onto something. There really is something compelling about the sound of silence. As I wandered down the trail at dawn that's one of the things I enjoyed the most. Nothing but me and my thoughts.

The beginning of the trip went well. I was feeling robust and energetic. I passed the first phones on the map and noticed that they were for emergencies only. I wasn't sure what constituted an emergency but I didn't really care since I was enjoying myself so much. At around mile 4 the silence was interrupted by the sound of hooves. Mules have the right of way on the trail and the guidebooks say to wait for instructions from the Park Rangers. The Ranger on the lead mule told me I'd need to wait a few minutes. I asked him about the phone situation. He said all the trail phones were for emergencies and that the nearest pay phone was at the Phantom Ranch. I asked him if any ranger would loan me a cell phone to call folks to arrange a pick-up and he said that was unlikely. Well, that settled that. The nearest phone was at the river so that's where I was gonna go. Besides, I was making great time and the morning spring temperatures were perfect for hiking. Next stop Phantom Ranch.

Well, the next stop was actually Indian Gardens, an oasis halfway down the trail. The desert was transformed into a blizzard of green trees and blooming flowers. I stopped to soak it in but not too long, since I now had a goal. I had to get to the Ranch well before noon since the guidebooks say that it takes twice as long to hike out of the Canyon as it does to hike into it. I lurched ahead, oblivious to the miserable expressions on the faces of folks headed uphill. By 10:00 AM I caught the first sight of the river, which as much as I hate to admit it wasn't too awe inspiring. I've seen views just as good from the New River which is just a hop skip and a jump away from my house. But I made it. I defied the experts and I made it. It took another half-hour to get to the suspension bridge that crossed the river and led to the Ranch. At the bridge a couple wanted their photo taken and we exchanged cameras so we could prove to folks that we really made it.

I crossed the bridge feeling as smug as I'd felt since I came close to predicting the exact outcome of the 1981 NCAA Tourney game between UNC and Virginia. Just after I crossed the bridge I ran into the guys I separated from three and a half hours earlier. They had taken the Kaibab Trail to the river. I explained the phone situation to them and they agreed to make calls for me, since the Ranch was a mile away and they figured I didn't need to go that far out of my way.

We said our goodbyes and I went off to refill my water supply, which I guess makes this as good a point as any to launch into a discussion of the 'gear' I used, especially since it gives me an excuse to justify my 'Think globally, buy/act locally' philosophy. Most of my stuff came from a small chain called the Great Outdoor Provision Company. I know I could save a few bucks on the Net but it's nice to go into a store and tell folks what you want and have them give you honest answers about what you should buy, along with reliable answers about places to go to use the stuff you bought. Besides, the centerpiece of my outfit was a gift from that store: a pair of Vasque hiking boots. If there's ever been a more perfect consumer product I'd like to know about it. I've had these boots almost a decade. I've never done anything to maintain them and yet they continue to provide me with great service. They're comfortable enough to wear an entire day and they provide great support for my ankles and they're completely waterproof, which came in handy shortly after Indian Gardens since there were a couple of creek crossings where I slipped off rocks and immersed my feet in water.

As for the rest of the gear, it was pretty simple. A one-liter Camelback, a basic backpack to carry my lunch, extra water and clothes I took off during the hike, along with my secret weapon: a Discman just in case my mental jukebox broke down. I wore a yellow t-shirt from a local charity event so that I'd be conspicuous if concerned folks needed to describe me to potential rescuers. On the trail I saw a lot of people with fancy gear that looked very expensive and that just made me smile, smile, smile. I also carried a notebook and pen since I was delusional enough to think that I'd have enough time and energy to write down my impressions of the trip as they occurred. And of course the obligatory baseball cap which I use in lieu of sunglasses.

I started walking back up to the Rim. My initial thoughts were on how I'd spend the afternoon, since I didn't think the seven-hour estimate for the return would be accurate. I expected to arrive about two and a half hours ahead of schedule. And then my blissful hike slowly but surely took a turn for the worse. First I noticed that the laces on my left boot had broken. Retying them wasn't much of a hassle but I had seen enough disaster movies to know that the big calamity always starts with something small. Then my inexperience as a long distance hiker came into play. I set the pace based on what other people were doing, and not based on what my body was telling me. For about an hour I tried to catch people who passed me. They kept getting further and further away. All I did was wear myself out. I suspect there's a cosmic lesson in there somewhere. I was so tired that I didn't take the half-mile detour to the beach by the river, just so I could dip my toes in it. Besides, at that point I knew that if I took my boots off I wouldn't want to put them back on. I settled for splashing my face with water from a creek that feeds the river.

The next screw-up was setting an unrealistic goal for a place to eat lunch. I was hoping to make it back to Indian Gardens, the mid-point of the trail. Halfway there I was forced to reconsider. My body had reached its limits and I was forced to just find one of the token bits of shade on the trail, which was the Devil's Corkscrew section mentioned at the beginning of this post. It was there that doubts began to emerge. I was exhausted and seven miles from the Rim. Until that day, seven miles was as long as I had ever hiked in one day. Sigh.

The good news is that the only viable option was to keep walking. I wasn't injured in any way, just very tired. I struggled on to Indian Gardens. Folks on the way noticed my condition and gave me a few swigs of water. The bottles I filled at the river ran out about half a mile before the gardens. I took a nice long break at the gardens. I re-filled my water bottles and quaffed some down. I gobbled down some trail mix and dug out the Discman. The Elvis rendition of Milkcow Blues was just what I needed, along with Skynyrd's "I Know a Little." I left the Gardens feeling somewhat refreshed and optimistic. I knew I could make it out and was only mildly disappointed that I wouldn't be so early that I could spend a couple hours at the bar next to the trailhead.

I left the Gardens at 2:00 PM. I had four and a half hours to hike four miles, which seemed doable since I was always taught that average walking speed was about 5 mph. But it was all uphill and I was drained. Not much else of note happened on the way up, except for some very pleasant, humanity affirming experiences. Strangers offering me water and a nifty political discussion with German hikers about how they couldn't stand this country's distinguished leader but loved its people. For the last couple of miles I'd glance at my hiking guide and try to make sure I didn't have symptoms of heat exhaustion or other ailments. I could only walk about 100 yards without stopping to rest, which I knew because I was counting my steps to try and figure out how much further I had to go.

I made it back thirty minutes ahead of schedule. I found the nearest bench took my boots off. My feet have never been so glad to be released from their bounds. I had a couple cigarettes which were quite satisfying since I had refrained from smoking during the end of the hike to preserve my oxygen supply. I was generally ok but I could tell that I was out of sorts, especially since for the first time in 20 years water tasted better than beer.

In sum: one of the best experiences of my life, but one that I'll never attempt to repeat.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 03:05 PM
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25. water, water, water, water.
Freeze if you have to in order to make room for water.

Be sure. Unlike hiking uphill, it will not be easier on the turn-around. There is no rescue from the Grand Canyon.
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 04:19 PM
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26. Me and my GF are going in a few weeks.
We are starting on the north rim, camping and what not for a week, then we will hike down to Phantom Ranch to spend the last night together and I will make the relatively easy hike up the Bright Angel trail to the south rim the next day to end my vacation. She will spend another night at the hotel (Phantom Ranch) then hike back up to the north rim and stay another week.

When I turned 18 I got a job on the south rim for the summer of '76 (Yes P-B is OLD) and hiked a lot of the southern side of the canyon. My favorite was the Hermits Rest trail on the west end of the south rim park, steep but rewarding. South Kiabab was beautiful but brutal. On that trail you will be exposed to the sun the whole trip with no sources of water that I know of. On my Kiabab hike I did not plan well and ran out of water quickly, and was very dehydrated in a matter of hours. Be very conscious of your water in the canyon, and plan for exposure to the sun under desert conditions. It is one of the most beautiful places in the world, but never forget it is most of all a desert wilderness once you descend from either rim.

Sorry if I make it sound scary, just plan for sun.

P-B
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sgsmith Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-05-06 04:40 PM
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27. Lots of good advice so far.
1. Water. Keep yourself hydrated.
2. Altitude. The Rims are at a pretty good elevation, especially if you're a flatlander. Try to get acclimated to the altitude by spending time in the mountains before starting your hike.
3. Good, broken-in footwear. Naturally.
4. You're going the wrong way! Start off the hike by going down, where most hikes seem to start by going up. You get a false sense of security from getting down fast, which burns energy that you'll wish you had going up.
5. Go slow. Especially when heading down. Be sure of your footing. Walking sticks would be a good idea.

I did the North Rim to South Rim hike when I was a teenager - a long time ago. My father and one brother were with me. When we got out of the South Rim, my brother decided there was no ****ing way he was walking back. So he hitched a ride with some German frau lines to take him back to the North Rim. Which is a 300 mile trip, one way. Through desolated country. Dad decided to ride back with him because he couldn't be left alone with a couple of strangers. Since we still had camping permits, I decided to take the return hike to the North Rim. A lot of fun, although it was a hard hike.

A couple of years after that, I stayed in Havasu Canyon for a couple of days. Interesting place, what with the waterfalls in the middle of a desert. I do remember that the hike out from Havasu was a real *****, and I got some heat stroke. And that was even leaving before sunrise. It's real hot in the canyon, and you can get dehydrated quickly. And not realize it.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 06:56 PM
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28. Giving myself a little kick here to catch mid-week afternoon DUers!
Thanks to everyone who has replied with advice! It's good to know that we're doing a lot of things right and other's experiences with Grand Canyon!

kt
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