Angelina Jolie--I wish the media would quit mocking her.

Did anyone see Anderson Cooper's interview with her last night. This woman has great heart and is willing to get her hands dirty to help people a lot less fortunate than she. I really respect what she is doing in Africa. Would that the leaders of the nations of the world be less concerned the trappings of power and use their power to obliterate the problems of the world rather than to add to them.

...it makes me want to hold her. :evilgrin:

George Clooney is doing more for the human condition than either of them.

Not that it's a race.

He's kinda short, with stubby legs. And a little outa shape.

:evilgrin:

B-)

You can hold her and I will hold Brad. We don't want to leave him out of the loving.

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because Brad was nothing more than just Hollywood Hype when he was married to Jennifer Aniston. Angelina opened his eyes to what is really happening in the world and made Brad a better person.

Perhaps Angelina didn't break up Brad & Jen. Perhaps Brad realized there was more to Hollywood then Glitter and Glam.

that her past (rumors or fact) is not forgotten. Rumors of incest (started when she made the simple remark that she thought her brother was the greatest man she ever knew). Rumors that she slept with every co-star she worked with, even if they were married. Breaking up a marriage. With all the good things she has done, there is a dark cloud hanging over her reputation because of poor choices in her past. Everyone may love a bad girl with a heart of gold, but they don't forget what made her bad. This is a perfect example of how a bad reputation can stay with you for a very long time. There are some things some people just won't forgive. Fair? No. But people have long memories. She is one of those people who will be known for both the good and the bad.

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You need no actual reason!

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critised for it. I have defended her constantly and have been made fun of for doing so. I can't figure it out myself.

Which is why Republicans and rightwingers need to ridicule and demean "bleeding heart" liberalism. It confronts them with their greed and cruelty, It shows them that they do no value Christian values or morality.

I think you hit the nail right on the head.

what they do.... bad for business. :)

And I think Angelina is an inspiration. I watched that interview and learned so much. The poor and downtrodden of the world are lucky to have such a magnetic spokeswoman, and clever, too... love the way she and Brad have manipulated the media into paying them for photos, and chasing them all around Africa.

The world can only do so much. Part of the problem with Africa is the culture and society.

Many of the countries over there are involved in civil war. There are too many power struggles.

And AIDS is such a problem because the religion forbids any form of contraceptive. Many of the men over there refuse to use a condom because they believe it makes them less of a man if they do.

So I mean the world can always do more...but you will never solve any of the problems unless the African people change some of their customs. And that isn't something that is going to happen overnight. It will take generations.

get out of their countries and give them back their natural resources, they'll be able to get their act together.

Whose religion opposes contraception? Think about it for a while.

keep refusing to fund AIDS education funding unless it's tied to "abstinence education" (read no education about how condoms can help stop the spread of AIDS). Nor does it help that the Pope and his comrades flagrantly lie by telling Africans that condoms are useless. How do these people have a chance against this blatant propaganda?

There are some areas in Africa where over 50% of the population is infected with HIV. Kind of late for condom education.

If that high of a percentage of population has HIV, a disease like Ebola will wipe out massive populations and spread faster than anything we have ever seen before.

Doing nothing definitely could.

self-centred, vain, pompous, humourless movie/music stars moaning about how horrible everyone is to them.

Kevin Costner once called the hassle involved with being a star "fame tax". A rare moment of introspection.

Anyway, I gotta get back to worrying about poor Angelina...

I'm sick of her, sick of her mattering to anyone, and sick of hearing about her childbirth like she's the first woman to procreate, and sick of seeing pictures of her and her kids.

She wants to do great things for people? Great. Shut up and do it.

I also felt very sorry for Zahara's family. They could have kept her, with Jolie supporting them, and she could have stayed with them. Crazy? No. One of my cousins has done just that with two children in a foreign country. She wanted to adopt them, rethought it, and sends support to them so they're able to stay with their families. THAT'S humanitarian.

From what I've read about Z- at the time Angelina found her,
her health was a matter of life and death.

Kudos to Angelina for taking the risk and responsibility
of getting her well and continuing to monitor her health issues.

I know she was ill. It doesn't negate my point.

Talk to the paparazzi. They are the only ones talking about her. Not Jolie.

Why some liberals continually feel like they have to pull down other libs is something I never get. The woman has an international forum because of her celebrity... and she doesn't use it for herself, she uses it for OTHERS.

She does it partly for others and partly for herself. I'd say in the ratio of 1:5.

Sometimes people just aren't cynical enough. (And yes, that is a serious comment).

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Everyone who does any kind of good works does it for themselves as well as those they're helping. Giving feels good, makes you feel like you're contributing to a solution instead of just sitting home bemoaning the problems. Do you feel she's doing it mostly for publicity? If so, that's laughable - there are plenty of stars out there who do exactly that - show up briefly at a disaster area and tour it, get their photo taken with some orphans. To spend your life traveling, studying the issues (from what I understand, she's very knowledgable about the issues), making speeches, conferring with leaders - that's a hell of a lot of time and committment for simple publicity. Paris Hilton gets a ton of publicity by showing up at clubs and dancing on the tables which would probably be much easier but I'll bet you dollars to donuts she has no idea where any African country is.

Do you prefer vapid, brain-dead celebrities who can only talk about themselves? I don't understand the venom directed at both Jolie and Bono, another person who puts a lot of time and effort into humanitarian work. Everyone has some selfish motives but there are a lot of people who ALSO have very good ones. I think Jolie has proven by her committments that she's in it for the long haul and truly wants to make a difference. I'm confused as to why that's somehow seen as bad or selfish.

Before you flame, let me explain my opinion.

My principles are that you should always do everything for yourself (note how I use the word principles. This implies that it shows I feel, not how it will ever translate into ther real world). It's similar to Maslows Hierarchy of Needs (), with helping others for their sake at the top of the pyramid. But also, it helps me to help others (There's a quote I've read but can't remeber who said it. "What you do to others is what you do to yourself.").

If I help other's, it makes ME feel better. It's always been my feeling that until you reach self actualization, you should always meet your own needs and wants first, and simply most humans satisfy some part of themselves by helping others. But, like most principles about government and human nature, for them to work perfectly, it does require a utopian environment, which sadly, just doesn't exist :( .

This is a little messy, so if you need clarification, ask.

And, I don't "continually" feel like I have to do ANYTHING, thank you very much.

the wealth than it is about Jolie's feelings.

nt

they did and continue to go way overboard with that stuff. how she is a victim and dealing with everything.

while Angelina is the evil crazy one who took away her man. that's why they have to mock the good things she does. it wouldn't fit into their stupid story lines.

good and evil, why Anniston gets to play "good" when Jolie seems to be the one actually doing good - I don't know. In any case I don't buy the storyline.

I hope they repeat Cooper's interview at another time.

Anyway, A&B are a great match! I admire their grace and style tremendously.

They have handled protecting their privacy beautifully every step of the way.
They have intuitively not reacted to the daily baitings handed out as gospel by the rumor mills.

By and large they have outwitted, out stepped and preempted any media circus plans the paparazzi
may have had and maintained control of their lives..

I laughed like crazy, after seeing the security detail (including german shepards) at their CA digs.
Yes, leave nothing to chance.

Someone up yonder mentioned Clooney-
It's really Clooney's fault I missed the interview.

I got home late and Netflix sent me Syriana-

n/t

and scorn. Let's tattoo that big red A on her forehead now. :sarcasm:

I couldn't agree more! Just yesterday, a coworker of mine who is trying to adopt a baby, found out from an agency that Ethiopia is now closed for adoptions (not accepting applications)until late this year. As the lady told her, "it's the Angelina effect!". And, I couldn't help but think - how cool is that??? Just five years ago, people would thought it was CRAZY to go to Ethiopia and adopt one of those poor babies, and now, because of her, they are getting the help they need.

I think people who make fun of her are just insecure and jealous, because they know inside that they would never do the things she has done if they had her money. So, they attack her to make themselves feel better!

people who adopted Ethiopian kids get bored with them. It's going to be like when people got pet alligators and ended up flushing them down the toilets before they got too big.

Jolie's reputation when she first started getting press was as a nutty sexually ambivalent party girl who would do or say anything as long as it was outrageous. So now that she's recast herself as a humanitarian, a lot of people are going to be skeptical about her motivations.

She was on the cover of the New Individualist saying that Ayn Rand is the "one author that can change your life"

:puke:

I hear that she and Brad are making Atlas into a movie. I wonder if the film will be four days long and go on and on about nothing.

http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-13-1687-Atlas_Movie_One_Step_Closer__The_Inside_Scoop.aspx

"Atlas" Movie One Step Closer! The Inside Scoop

April 27, 2006 -- The effort to film Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged has just taken a big step forward. Daily Variety reports a leaked story that Lionsgate, the independent studio whose movie "Crash" recently won the Oscar for best picture, will be distributing the film. We've confirmed today that a deal is going forward under which Lionsgate will take an option to finance and distribute the film.

<snip>

Variety also reports that stars Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are interested in parts in the film. This will come as no surprise to subscribers of The New Individualist. The current issue features the two on the cover, and in an article by the publication's editor, Robert Bidinotto, which looks at the interest in Rand's works among Hollywood's elite.

;-)

Whatever, JVS. :eyes:

Burn her, I say.

What difference does it make why she does what she does? I think all that matters is that people are being helped. I mean, if she gets publicity, do the people she helps suffer?

But really, what excuse does she have for ripping poor little Jennifer's heart out?



(Oops, just in case... :sarcasm:)

and quietly do what many, many people are doing daily. Sending what they can spare to help out others. Taking in foster children, and yes *gulp* even donating 1/3 of their income to a worthy cause...all without a spotlight. I'm sorry...I don't really care for Angelina, although I say, good job...but that does not elevate her to above the rest of the world.

No one is aware there's a problem.

Two edged sword here. When a person uses their celebrity to put a spotlight on a problem or a crisis, they're seen as trying to put the spotlight on themselves. Doesn't it occur to anyone that by talking about her adoptions, talking about conditions in Africa, talking about Cambodia, she makes others aware of those things? Face it - Americans don't listen to talking heads or politicians or serious, educated public health officials. Why do you think Arnold is the governor of California? Because people know his name and for some reason, they listen to him.

Well, why not use that for some good?

But this constant St. Angelina watch has gone overboard. Arnold is governor of California because people like my idiot brother voted for him out of anger...in a, "they'll be sorry" way. Reese Witherspoon does a hell of a lot both abroad and on the homefront. As do many, many other people. :hi:

I've seen her in the t-shirt.

Jolie rules!

she is not mentally stable at the moment. She seems to be flying into one thing after another without taking a breath. Just a feeling I have.

Btw, I agreed, with you, Grannie.

... to do more for similar humanitarian causes.

Those who are tired of her are probably tired of the media coverage... and they allow their impatience with the media to tarnish what she's actually doing.

True, she's no Audrey Hepburn, but the cynical criticism and suspicions of her are probably undeserved.

Anderson Cooper's interview with Angie Jolie.

I have long considered new young mothers as the most beautiful of women, and she was luminous. If ever she was unstable in her life, it is NOT now. Happiness, peace and love shine from her eyes and she is pouring that love on the most desperate and needy of this world. Not one of us was there to confirm whether A+B did hankypanky before B-J. In my opinion, they have handled themselves in a most discreet and mature manner. If you question Angelina's motive, please watch the movie Beyond Borders, to see one reason why her life changed. Not because it is such a great movie, but the subject matter is profoundly moving.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/beyond_borders/

No, thank you. I agree with Roger Ebert - that was beyond tacky.

Jolie was an actress in the movie, so I doubt she herself chose to "use" actual famine victims in a gratuitous manner as you suggest. However, if filming the movie affected her enough to change her world view, which in turn has obviously affected many others by her example, and the movie brings some awareness to a general public, then I say "not" tacky.

And she gives 1/3 of her money to charity. And she is Brad Pitt's lover. And she is intelligent and funny and gets great movie roles. And she loves being a mother.

My guess is people are so jealous of her they can't stand it.

She's doing good in the world, but people who criticize her aren't doing so out of jealousy--just as people who laud her aren't doing so out of blind celebrity worship. What a silly claim to make.

anything is fake?

Yes, she's enhanced.

And even if in the bowels of that site, somehow she is mentioned somewhere, what the hell does it prove? Do you have a quote from her doctor, or herself, or anyone who would actually know? And what does it matter anyway?

Pretty much looks like her, don't you think? Or did she have plastic surgery too? :eyes:

And both her parents have full lips. What a silly claim to make.

my mom called me to apologize for ever speaking ill of her (I've been a huge fan for years)

Snatching babies from all over the globe.