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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:20 PM
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What is your capacity for forgiveness?
If someone betrays you, could you make amends?

Have you ever severed ties with a family member?

What is something that is "unforgivable"?

Do you think we should forgive others?

What if someone killed a loved one?
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:22 PM
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1. Ok.
Yes.

Yes.

It is unforgivable to say someone is "better off dead" because they have a spinal injury.

Yes.

I doubt I could ever forgive someone who killed a loved one.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:24 PM
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2. I have forgiven several people who many people
thought I should never forgive. On the other hand, I have have easily dropped all ties to family members just because I don't like them, who they are, and what they do.

I am all in favor of forgiveness, but I think there is a lot of value to cutting ties and moving on too.

If someone I knew killed someone, anyone, I would have to think long and hard about that, and know how, why, under what circumstances, and what they feel about it now.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:31 PM
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3. My honest answers --
If someone betrays you, could you make amends? yes.

Have you ever severed ties with a family member? yes.

What is something that is "unforgivable"? that which I have not forgot

Do you think we should forgive others? yes.

What if someone killed a loved one? what if I cross this bridge when/if I have to?
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Omphaloskepsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:32 PM
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4. OK...
If someone betrays you, could you make amends? Yeah

Have you ever severed ties with a family member? Yeah

What is something that is "unforgivable"? Cheating

Do you think we should forgive others? Depends

What if someone killed a loved one? Well, my mom shot my dad in the head when I was 10 years old. I still talk to her.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:59 PM
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11. uh --- that last sentence
:hug:
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:15 AM
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25. Holy shit, Omph.
I'm so sorry you had to go through that, especially as a kid.:hug: :hug:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:32 PM
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5. alright
1. yes but file it away and never have the same trust level with that person---ever

2. You bet, a whole side of them.

3.Long story i won't get into but it was immediately after my mother died and what they did was unforgivable.

4.Forgivness is more for the forgiver imo then the forgivee

5. I hope i never have to cross that bridge.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:37 PM
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6. I think it varies from person to person
For myself, what is unforgiveable is when I can no longer trust someone. If someone does something wrong to me, and they understand what it did, then I can forgive them. But if they don't care or aren't concerned, then I won't forgive them, since it's just opening myself up to have the same thing happen again.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:39 PM
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7. at this point in my life, nobody has done anything unforgivable to me
to me personally, that is

the bush presidency, for example, is unforgivable.

but something done to me personally? not yet. i'm not really one to hold grudges. life is too short to be mad about anything. shit happens, it is what it is and you can't change something once it's happened. so you deal with it, and move on.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:11 PM
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8. That depends on the need of people to be forgiven
Sometimes it is a tall order . . . I hope I'm always up to it.
:) :) :)
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:13 PM
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9. I always forgive.
Life's too short to takes things too seriously, but I won't forget.
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zingaro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:57 PM
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10. I think we have infinite capability for forgiveness.
In the past year I learned that things I thought were "unforgiveable" weren't actually deal-breakers. I think I have more of a tendency to sever ties with toxic people than with people who've wronged me because I know that *I* am inherently imperfect and I can't expect perfection from another person when I am not.

It comes down to what you want to carry with you and what you want to release. I prefer traveling light in the heart and believe that anger and grudgery and things unforgiven are heavy and bulky. I don't want to pack them along with me. It's much easier for me to forgive than it is to drag those sorts of anchors behind me.

Those things said, I also believe that forgetting doesn't necessarily happen in tandem with forgiveness. When wronged, one might be learning a lesson and it only makes sense to carry that forward.
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:01 PM
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12. I would consider my forgiveness fairly high.
The only person I have never truly forgiven was a man I considered to be one of my best friends. He betrayed me once and I forgave him. He betrayed me again and I let go of my anger. He betrayed me a third time, and I had had enough. I can forgive a lot but constantly being stabbed in the back by somebody I once considered a very close friend... That's a little much.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:21 PM
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15. You can forgive
without forgetting and not allowing it to happen again.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:02 PM
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13. Very high. Yes. No. Nothing. Yes. They'd probably go to jail.
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 11:03 PM by Rabrrrrrr
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:19 PM
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14. My capacity for forgiveness is endless. Forgiveness is based in ego.
To not resent, to grant pardon...emotion.

To answer your specific questions:

If someone betrays you, could you make amends?
Yes, I have and likely will again.

Have you ever severed ties with a family member?
No. However, I've not been faced with a scenario in which I'd consider it.

What is something that is "unforgivable"?
Again, forgiveness is relative. It's subjective.

Do you think we should forgive others?
Absolutely.

What if someone killed a loved one?
Loaded question. Yes, I'd forgive them. However, I believe that a crime deserves punishment. It's in not issuing that punishment based on emotion that makes the difference.

That said, personally, I'm not perfect. If someone purposely killed my mother, my brother, my loved ones...my animals. Punishment might come from home base.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:40 PM
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16. My philosophy: Forgiveness is something we do for ourselves
and being the selfish bastard I am, I try to forgive anyone who does something I consider wrong. Doesn't always work too quickly, but it does work
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 11:41 PM
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17. Very little
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:50 AM
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18. Once I get revenge, then I can forgive
But I never forget
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 AM
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19. Anyone kills my loved ones, they are gonna die
That said, I seem to get over most things with time.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:31 AM
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20. Not endless.
If someone betrays you, could you make amends?
I would think it would be up to the betrayer to make amends, and that's where I've left it when it happens.


Have you ever severed ties with a family member?
Yes. Up to them to re-attach in my book.


What is something that is "unforgivable"?
Betrayal comes close.


Do you think we should forgive others?
Of course, but it's the hardest thing we try to do.


What if someone killed a loved one?
I loved him, he was dying, it was out of mercy, but I still haven't forgiven myself completely after 16 years.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:42 AM
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21. i think a lot depends on how much i loved the person in the first place
What is your capacity for forgiveness?

depends on whom it is, i can forgive my brother for almost anything. my best friends, lover i can forgive for a fair amount


If someone betrays you, could you make amends?

depends on the nature of the betrayal

Have you ever severed ties with a family member?

yes, my cousin. i tried very very hard before


What is something that is "unforgivable"?

in a broader sense i think rape is an unforgiveable crime. however within my friends and family several other things are unforgiveable.

Do you think we should forgive others?

by and large yes

What if someone killed a loved one?

if a stranger killed a loved one then i would not be able to forgive them

if a love one killed a loved one, it might be different.
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:56 AM
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22. What is your capacity for forgiveness?
Pretty high.

If someone betrays you, could you make amends?
Most of the time, although not repeatedly.

Have you ever severed ties with a family member?
Yes, and am about to do it again. I was stupid to think they had changed and that I had been all wrong about how rotten they are. Fool me once ...

What is something that is "unforgivable"?
Lying ... and lying again and again and again. OK, maybe not unforgivable, but I can't tolerate being lied to, especially after I've told someone how much I hate being lied to and they lie to me in the next sentence.

Do you think we should forgive others?
Sure, but let's not be doormats.

What if someone killed a loved one?
I hope I never have to find out.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 08:58 AM
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23. IMHO, forgiveness comes after the request, as with Confession, Contrition, and Penance.
I don't "forgive" willy-nilly.

And betrayal? No.

"Kill a loved one"? On purpose, like in murder (as opposed to accident, in which case, see above)? Hell, no. I can leave that one up to any Deity that wants it.
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BarenakedLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:02 AM
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24. I have forgiven
and have been forgiven.

I think it would depend on the level of betrayal. At this moment in time, I hold no ill will toward anyone in my life or in my past.

I have no estranged family members.

The only thing for me that would be unforgivable would to knowingly and maliciously hurt my children or family in any way.

I guess that would cover the "killed a loved one" question.

I would try to forgive under most other situations. But I'm sure there are situations where that would be rather difficult.

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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:17 AM
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26. If both people say they're sorry at the same time....
It's even a little more than forgiveness. Yes, I believe that forgiveness is always possible, though it may take awhile.
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:28 AM
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27. I try to forgive and usually do
1. My thing is I dont really let people close enough to get the ability to betray me personaly. So, there are only a few people on the planet who have the ability to betray me. I forgave one upwards of 50 times before I finally said get out of my life. Through life I have written people off though after so much.

2. I haven't severed ties since I was 16-19ish. I guess that was normal. Most of my family has severed ties with me though. I think most of that is from my tendacy to aimlessly wander throughout my life. That and some of my family members are whack.

3. If you hurt my daughter it's on.

4. Yes, usually. That is still a personel decision. It is not always easy either. Hehe, if anyone answered #3, forgiveness doesnt exist without a lot of work.

5. Never know. I'd probably have a lot of time to think about it though.

:hi:

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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:47 AM
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28. Forgiveness is really only accepting the facts of the case.
And letting go of the anger. Forgiveness is for me. Maintaining a resentment is like holding a hot coal in my hand and hoping the other person gets burned.

That said, I still stay mad for a really fucking long time. :D
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:32 PM
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30. I like your analogy
And agree with your position.

Letting go of the anger sure can be hard sometimes, though.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 09:59 AM
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29. i have forgiven -- but it's not (at least for me) an invitation to re-enter my life
i had/have to forgive to heal. it hurts too much, takes too much of my energy, to stay angry, to stay hurt. i need the energy that hurting takes away from me. i need that energy to LIVE, not to hate.

it's not an emotional decision. it's not even a one-time decision. it's not something that is DONE the instant the decision is made.

so much more to say. no time now.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:34 PM
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31. Holding a grudge is a trap.
I will always fight for what is right, but am working on not holding grudges.

Because there are people who can never get enough fighting, and use it to entrap.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 02:34 PM
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32. I am a very forgiving person. I don't want my limit tested though!
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 02:35 PM by Shell Beau
I hope I can eventually forgive all. Even the unforgivable.
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