What is the world's most dangerous breed of dog?

And don't give me pit bulls or Rotties. While abused pits have a well earned rep for being unstable, well treated ones are great dogs, and also a big ass rottie once tried to lick me to death.

So, what is it?

















(By the way, any answer other than a "Bad Dog Owner" is complete bullshit)

chili cheese hot dogs to be exact.

Clog your arteries.

Lotsa chili and shredded sharp cheddar, then put them in the oven until they're all gooey...

I can hear my arteries blocking up just thinking about it. Yum...

Dogs aint dangerous. Humans are.

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I've only seen one or two of those hairy footballs that didn't try to eat my ankles.

Oh, and miniature Poodle, too.
Those damn things don't even BARK decent! "Yap! Yap! Yap!"

*PUNT* ;-)

:-(

Hands down.
Can't trust the little buggers.
Ever.

Abused pits, btw, don't have a well earned rep for being unstable. Stability depends on the abuse and the care afterwards.

At any rate, the most dangerous breed of dog in an adult home with a young couple is not the same as the most dangerous breed of dog in a home with 3 small children. It all does come back to the piss poor owner, sadly, and the training the dog receives.

That said, I'd never place a Cocker Spaniel in a home with small children. Just sayin...

and turn out fantastic. I am reminded of the late Buford T. Pi'bull, a teddy bear of a male who was found chained in a basement, where he had been kept for 5 years and never let outside. His chain was completely embedded in his neck and had to be surgically removed. He went from a thin wretch to a lovably plump dog while we had him, and he ended up living at the vet/boarding clinic where my wife worked at the time since he preferred being there. One of the kennel staff "adopted" him even though he had terminal bladder cancer. We had to put him down last year. Despite the pure hell he had been through, he was a cuddly dog with a big heart who loved everybody he met. We were glad to at least be able to give him one good year after all he had endured.

It's cases like that that make me really NOT like people sometimes...

Todd in Cheesecurdistan

Pibble rescue ain't easy, but it's rewarding as hell.

Except that he's been a CHARMING sweet boy since we took him in from "Last Day Rescue."

Nice people, those.

:thumbsup:

Especially around the ears, head and body. Some lab in the muzzle tho.



PB eyes. DEFINITELY.

The same ears that children find fascinating to tug on, etc. Cockers are also fairly quick to bite and have a low level of tolerance. Not all, of course. I don't mean to sound like they're a bad breed of dog. I know a few folks that do Cocker rescue, and their stories are pretty much along the same lines. They're fine so long as they aren't left alone together for any amount of time.

I remember when I was serving my country church. Some kids had let my dog out after Sunday School and were playing with in the church yard, without my knowledge. When I walked out the church door, a little girl was actually RIDING on my dog. I was horrified! I yelled my dog's name, and she turned and looked at me with this look that said, "I'm fine, Mom." I did get the girl off her back, but my dog--that dangerous cocker--clearly didn't mind. She was amazingly gentle with everyone--even raised two kittens.

I keep hearing about these dangerous cockers, but I've never known one.

cocker. They just seem more apt to bite when bothered. But I hate to generalize. Cute as hell though!

Greatest dog ever!! Gentle, friendly, smart. I love dogs because of her, I'm sure. My first dog as an adult was a cocker, too. She was "dumped" at my house when I lived in the country. Lots of health issues, but the kindest, sweetest dog imaginable. I've pretty much decided that my next dog, whenever that day comes, will be another cocker.

Beagles are great for lots of reasons, but I didn't have to watch food (and things a beagle mistakes for food) so carefully. If it wasn't in her food dish, she didn't think it was food. I miss that.

that the Cocker you had as a child, plotted to kill you in your sleep.

I'm glad I waited until now to tell you.

If she wanted to kill me, she had plenty of opportunity. She occasionally tried to lick me to death, but that's as far as it got.

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I'd imagine that's two different breeds, whatever they are.

that Chows can be pretty nasty.....

German Shepards were considered a nasty dog because people use them for protection,border patrol and drug searches....
actually in the 70's the dog was so popular they were getting interbred and some of them were nasty....
don't hear anything about them any more....

not an expert though so I couldn't tell you which is dangerous



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They are very smart and have acute senses.

Chows, on the other hand, scare the fuck out of me

Her name is Sweetie and it fits her perfectly. Our other dog came from a rescue. Sampson is a shepherd/something mix. He's so laid back and mellow. The rescue was surprised because he had tried lots of homes and was returned. People have to start watching the Dog Whisperer. We have had no problems and the rescue site wants us to take more. Any dog is capable of every type of behavior. When treated and disciplined with love, they are loving.

I have a Rottweiler that is a big baby. She is the second one I have owned. My last Rottie was also a sweetheart. Whenever there is a Pit Bull or Rottweiler attack, the media jumps all over it. I don't ever recall reading any stories about Cocker spaniel attacks, and I am sure there have been plenty of them.

Lately, the Feinstein retriever and the Schumer terrier have been at the top of the list.

As a side note, I thought it was common knowledge that different breeds have different behavioral characteristics. I know when my father trained assistance dogs, there were some types of dogs they prefered, especially the golden retriever because of its intelligence and pliable disposition. So I don't see that "bad owner" is always the answer.

She is ruff.......:hi:

As a dedicated lover of the 4 legged variety of canine and new human for a 50/50 Pit/Lab named Black Jack, my hat is off to you.

Here is a list of the top 10. Since the size and strength of each breed is empathized, I think this list is based on how likeley they are to kill or maim, which excludes the ankle biters.

1. Pit Bulls
2. Rottweilers
3. German Shepherds
4. Huskies
5. Alaskan Malamutes
6. Doberman Pinschers
7. Chow Chow
8. Presa Canario
9. Boxer
10. Dalmatian

I've had a couple of damatians and I'm not surprised to see them included. Particularly the male was fiercely territorial and had no fear whatever of anything, not even much larger dogs.

Here is a link to a dog bite legal center. Interesting scoop from the site:



Hit the link if you want to see the list of blacklisted dog breeds.

I was a little surprised that I found no mention of St Bernards on either of these lists. Those guys are big enough to saddle up and ride. Guess they must be pretty easy going.

after their "analysis" of data they don't provide.

St Bernards aren't mentioned because, like most giant breeds, they aren't easily threatened. If it were about size, then where are the great danes? The Irish wolfhounds? The Neopolitan/English mastiffs?

I wondered about great danes too. If you hit the second link you will see them included in the blacklisted breeds.

Don't beat me up bro'. I'm hiding here in the lounge because there's so many cranky people in GD.

You got lots of canine and other animal FANATICS here, self included. It's a great way to get the net version of a "TAZING."

It's a list of what at least one person considers the 10 most dangerous dogs. Is there a problem with that because your favorite breed was included? The OP asked for the most dangerous breed so I thought it was on topic and kind of interesting. Maybe I should have instead furnished a list of the most safe breeds. Sheesh.

Who, needless to say, probably don't appreciate misinformation like that making their work even more difficult.

So yeah, you're gonna get it. :popcorn:

I try to be sensitive to the feelings of others but that doesn't include ignoring facts. If anyone doesn't like statistics that show more than 50% of fatal dog attacks are carried out by just two breeds then maybe they should grow themselves a skin. Even better, it would be good to see an objective argument supported by links to reputable information sources, instead of just righteous indignation.

And to think you left GD to hide in the Lounge.

If you don't like mine furnish your own. Or not, I don't care.

Or do you mean from the original list you posted?

Or do you have your very own set of stats?

I can give you my personal stats, if you like, not that they weigh more than any others.

I run a dog rescue and we mainly deal with pit bulls and other "dangerous" breeds. I've rescued somewhere in the area of 200 pitbulls, 10 dobermans, a couple great danes, a few mastiffs, gsds, dogos, shar peis, chows, boxers, bassets, rotties, jrt...you get the idea. Pretty wide variety, but heavy on the pits. I've been bitten once. By a keeshond mix.

Study: Rottweilers responsible for most fatal dog attacks on humans

Rottweilers have reportedly been involved in 33 fatal attacks on humans between 1991 and 1998

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/09/15/deadly.dogs.ap/index.html

September 15, 2000
Web posted at: 8:47 a.m. EDT (1247 GMT)

ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Rottweilers have passed pit bulls as America's deadliest dog breed, according to a study released Friday.

The large dogs were involved in 33 fatal attacks on humans between 1991 and 1998, the American Veterinary Medical Association said.

Pit bulls, which had been responsible for more deaths than any other breed, were involved in 21 fatal attacks over the same period.

Rottweilers, first bred in Germany, surged in popularity during the 1990s as more people sought them for protection, said Jeffrey J. Sacks, an epidemiologist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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Pit bulls led all breeds for fatal attacks between 1979 and 1998, with at least one pit bull involved in 66 mauling deaths, the study said. Rottweilers were blamed for 37 -- most of those in the 1990s -- followed by German shepherds with 17 and huskies with 15.

Researchers cautioned the breakdown does not necessarily indicate which dogs provide the highest risk of fatal attacks because incomplete registration of dogs and mixed breeds make it hard to determine how many of each type of dog Americans own.

The problem they were running into was that most of the reports came from people who didn't know shit about dogs, so every dog with a sorta squarish head in the 30-100 lb range was being reported as a "pit bull" which is itself a catch-all for several different breeds.

And I'll personally give you all the reputable information sources you want, but I'm at work and they're all saved on my laptop so you you'll have to put your big girl panties on and wait nicely.

Thank you for your kind offer to enlighten me about dogs.

That idiot didn't even post an actual Pit Bull picture. That's a Pit/Mastiff cross.
THIS is what an American Pit Bull Terrier looks like.


Here's some AUTHORITATIVE information:
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm

These people may be a little biased, but they have their sources cited properly.
http://www.pitbulllovers.com/american-pit-bull-terrier-myths.html

Sorry to go off on you, but this is a sore subject in the Dog Lover Community around here.

I've never met one that wasn't really, really lovable, or that made me even slightly nervous. And they're much bigger than I am.

If you have a little breed and a large breed that both tend to bite more then other breed the large dog will obviously be able to do more damage.

Alot of little dogs can be bad tempered and tend to bite alot, but due to the tiny size of their mouths they don't tend to do the same damage.

My guy had Alaskan Malamutes ( both have passed away) and he had to be VERY Alpha with them and they were very well trained because frankly they could do a heck of alot of damage if they decided to. I loved those dogs but I never forgot what they could do when I was around them and respected their power.

My feeling is that if you owners that are CLUELESS about the nature of the breed they own it WILL cause issues. Those issues can be deadly if the dog happens to be a large breed.

I don't fault the dogs, but rather the owners who didn't have the education about the breeding of their pets and how to handle them. Again...if an uneducated (about the breed) owner has a little toy whatever there is little chance of death or maiming because of it. If an uneducated owner has pit bull the outcome can be far different.

People often choose a breed for coolness factor or just because they like how it looks. This causes alot of issues.

Maybe the fairest way to go about this is to just see which breed is involved in the most fatal attacks and let the numbers settle it. Or not. I'm gonna think about something else now.

Nobody in their right mind would say that, for example, pressa canarios are less dangerous than yellow labradors, but if you look at raw stats you're going to see a lot more bites from ubiquitous yellow labs than uncommon pressas.

You need an accurate per capita number if you want to even start to draw accurate conclusions from raw statistics. AFAIK, nobody's ever even done that calculation in the US. I've seen a German study that did, and I'll dig up the results and share them later.

But then again an argument could be made that a particular breed is a bigger danger because more greater numbers of them exist. Kinda like some people would say you are more likely to be killed by lightning than by tornadoes because the former is more prevalent than the latter.

That German study sounds interesting. Thanks for the offer to share the results. I'll watch for them.

The more dogs of any breed that is owned in this country, the more they will be on lists with stats.
The Presa is one of the scariest dogs I have ever encountered, but you don't hear so much about them because they are so rare.
One must also take into account the type of person who would own a particular breed, and what their motives might be.. Virtually any dog can be made into a monster if the owner abuses it sufficiently and that is their goal.

They're so mellow and patient. I don't know how anybody could think they're bad dogs.

Saw one at the Farmer's Market in Owosso about 2 months back...she just OOOZED love. Gave a pair of twin 6 year old girls a total face bath to their infinite delight. "MAZIE" was her name.

oy!

In the words of George Carlin, Vinnie "...could knock a buzzard off a shit wagon."

Cat farts, thankfully rare, make the worst dog farts seem tame.

Twice.

Not really, but we have run out of the room a couple of times.

I had a boxer when I was a kid that could have had a career in paint removal! Geez louise that dog could pass the most rotten gas I ever smelled..x(

"Sorry to be trite..." but try getting a REAL resource next time, not some bozos with 10 "NET COMMUNITIES" as a suck in for ad bait saying "After in depth research and analyzing the studies performed by the American Veterinary Medical Association, the CDC, and the Humane Society of the United States, we have compiled the top ten most dangerous dog breeds."

What BULLSHIT. No reference to the Dog Temperment Scale (Where Pits outscore my Pembroke Corgis). No reference to the AKITA, and a reference to the "Urban Legend" of Pit Bulls "They will lock their jaws onto the prey until it's dead."

NO DOG can "LOCK" its jaws; it is physiologically impossible.

And Pits outscore Bernards as well. Canines are ALL NURTURE. PERIOD. Your "source" is not authoritative, and does its own data parsing. Not Valid.

No creature on earth is all nurture. As in anything, breeds have tendencies but not every member of a breed will have all the tendencies of the breed.

For example, border collies tend to like to herd things. Even without training it will attempt to herd children and other dogs in the park. Does every border collie like to herd things? No. Do most? Yes.

My Corgs HERD, but NEVER bite, even though they are lower on the Temperment scale than Pits.

Protective, though. You could TRAIN Brigi to be mean...



But it's probably too late to make her a killer: those jaws can TEAR as well. The "guaranteed" toys last about an hour with her. She comes from a line of Wolf fighters, after all.

Canines have a highly plastic genome. That is why their are breeds from Irish Wolfhounds to Chichuhuas.

Aggressiveness, bite strength, gameness, etc. are all traits same as herding instrinct. They can be selected for. So, just like herding, certain traits have been selected for in pit bulls.

Know that well. I am saying that inside each dog is the one who came in from the dark to share the fire.

We are THEIR humans the same as they are OUR dogs. This bond is sacred; perhaps the only one left in this godforesaken world. The dog raised and trained with love, respect, and consistency will give those same traits back.

I think that's the one commonality with dogs.

Ask any trainer. Some dogs are just too fearful/aggressive.

But I am picking nits. I do agree With you on the principals of training.

That said, the bundle of traits that are most common in pit bulls I would not let near my family in 100 years.

They scored below the Pits on temperment as well.

(And this assumes I agree with you on the validity of the temperment scale. I don't.)

Pit bulls are a dangerous combination of gameness and bite strength. They are terriers with the gameness common in terriers. They have large heads with large muscle attachment ridges - all that allows more muscle to be brought to bear on the bite. More damage per bite and the willingness to continue an attack.

Goldens don't commonly have the gameness nor the bite strength to do major damage. Some do, sure. However,l on average, they are less dangerus than a pit bull.

Many, many pit bulls are sweet. People have blind spots to their own dogs.

I just try to not judge by the blemishes. I've argued for the Pits for years: our 3 Corgis, 1 Corgi mix were joined by the Pit/Lab 3 months ago; he's new kid on the block.

Did you miss having your cup of tea or something today? Maybe you got a speeding ticket this morning? Whatever it is, it will pass. I hope you have a better day tomorrow.

Bet they tore you a new asshole regularly in GD.

Never picked on someone's DOG before, I'll wager. Not a smart move.

I'm almost always up for fair debate, I just get tired of nitpicking and people bursting into flames whenever someone doesn't walk on eggshells around whatever their pet issue happens to be.

I'll bet your dog is ugly. Stupid too.

Have a nice day.

GD sent you here to lick your wounds.

You're in the LOUNGE pal. There is a different level of concern for the feelings and issues of others here.

I suggest if all you're good for is a pissing contest, you might want to consider hanging out there permanently.

Do you think I chose to defame you personally instead of objectively discussing facts? Or perhaps I have expected consideration for my values while I disdained yours? I hope not because that would be wrong. Wouldn't it?

I also thought the lounge was a place for a different level of concern for the feelings and issues of others. But I have learned this is not always so. That's OK this is the internet. Not a good place to be having a chip on your shoulder. Unless your're just looking for a pissing contest.

You quoted from a BLOG that had no official creedance, then when called on it, you got snarky.

And THIS:

"I just get tired of nitpicking and people bursting into flames whenever someone doesn't walk on eggshells around whatever their pet issue happens to be.

I'll bet your dog is ugly. Stupid too.

Have a nice day."

Taking a leak in my corn flakes is debate and not personal attack?

I tried to keep this from becoming adversarial but you wanted a confrontation. All any reasonable person has to do to be convinced of that is read this message string. Don't whine because you got what you thought you wanted.

Since you were so liberal with your insults I thought you wouldn't mind taking one or two on the chin. Or do you think you can throw decorum under a bus and expect no retort?

Here again are the facts to which I referred:



You have made it abundantly clear you do not like the source. That does not make this information untrue. If you want to make such a case it is incumbent on you to prove that neither the CDC nor the Insurance Information Institute reported these results.

BTW I saw the photo of your dog upthread. I was right.

Fine. I'll ignore YOU like I ignore others in GD who can seem to stop citing insurance companies and NEWSMAX as sources.

Snyder & Associates are always looking for someone new provide them with those 40% contingency fees, and their commercials are the worst kind of 'prey on the ignorant' crap that i have seen in a while.'

I wouldn't look to their website to be anything more than propagandist crap, frankly.

Notice also that they don't mention that Toy Poodles, Pekingese, etc... dogs are likely on 'some' insurance providers lists, too, because of the frequency of these sometimes high-strung breeds biting, and the homeowners' claims that the insurance companies have to pay out because of them.

I personally am never as worried about a big dog as i am about the quivery, nervous little ankle-biters that i encounter. A big dog lets you know his intentions pretty clearly, and only a fool doesn't pay attention. A little one, especially a nervous one, may lick you one second, piss on you the next... then bite with no warning.

Take it or leave it.

That's interesting what you say about lapdogs. I think a small dog might be more likely to bite as you say but Chihuahuas probably don't kill many people, but if you're talking lawsuits I wouldn't be surprised if there were a ton of those from ankle bites.

But we don't really know if these breeds are on similar lists. I sinned deeply when I furnished the one in question but I don't see anybody else offering another one so far.

You know something? You tried to stir the pot, then play "POORME" when someone takes offense. I repeat, this isn't GD. You want a FIGHT, I'll meet you there sometime, IF I disagree with you, OR your poorly researched sources.

Now exactly how is it that you are able to ascertain my spirit at the time I made the post in question? Do tell.

It was not I who picked the fight here in the lounge. I tried to avoid it with my "POORME" post but you just had to jump in and touch this off. Now that you've started the fire you suggest it is I who should get out of the kitchen. Good luck with that.

Whatever you have done to help dogs it doesn't license your behavior.

Have a nice day.

...but Chihuahuas probably don't kill many people...

Dog bites happen every day by the dozens (if not hundreds...) the only ones that you hear about are the rare ones where someone gets seriously damaged, especially when there's a small child involved.

Again... i personally would trust a lager dog over a small one. They are deliberate, and easier to read the temperament of that smaller ones, who can be fine one minute, and sending you to the ER for stitches or a rabies series the next.

Do you mean # of dog bites, number of severe dog bites or number of deaths from an attack?

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I agree with "flvegan" I think Cocker Spaniels need to be under control at all times. I had my Sam and I loved him but could not trust him around small children. Also, I read somewhere that Cocker Spaniels inflict the most bites on people. That said, I would still have one - if they are raised properly they are great. I have two other dogs and 3 cats ----- Sam was just great with them. I don't know what it is with small children and Cockers. I suspect the Cockers just find them intensly annoying.

Just like any animal can.

Seriously, whenever I try to take him off our bed at night and put him in his bed, he turns from cute, fuzzy dog to evil demon doggie spawn.

But, I still love him anyways.

I've known five and they have all attacked the children in the families.

their family.

Very bright dogs. Very active dogs. Very lovely dogs.

no warning...totally unprovoked. p

a month ago. No reason. Was getting a magazine
from my daughter's bedroom. He was a new rescue
and didn't really know me. My borzois aren't agressive, but
i am very careful with them when children are present. p

I have never seen a blue heeler that was not mean to everyone except it's owner...and I owned a pit bull, and not a mean bone in that dog's body.
Carly

Unless he feels fear off of me, he greets people with his tail wagging. One guy, though, while I was walking him, approached me on the road. He freaked me out. And my dog felt it. He growled at the guy when he tried to pet him. He had never done that before and hasn't since.

Dogs are dogs, and the differences between the purebreds are greatly exaggerated.

My youngest sister had a pit bull named Tessla, and that dog was one of the most gentle dogs I've ever been around. When my nephew was born, Tessla watched over him, and as he got a bit older, she would lay on the floor while my nephew crawled all over her. The only thing she did in response was lick him.

I get sick of hearing some people say that all pit bulls are mean. Some of them ARE, but only because that's how they were raised. And I would say it's the same for any dog: if they are raised to be mean, they will be. If they are raised to be good dogs, they will be.

I mean, look at this one....it's tearing that poor child to pieces!!

:rofl:

Jack the Pit/Lab just grumbles when you are messing with his "groove." Hysterical.

is spending less and less time awake as she gets older....god that dog can snore...x(

that has big, brown, soulful eyes that make you feel absolutely awful for even contemplating not giving said dog a pet/cuddle/treat. Whippets' eyes are some of the best at inducing guilt at 30 paces.

This is just from my personal experience, but the dog I would trust the most with my 3-year-old son would be a healthy, well brought-up pit bull. They are the smartest and most loyal and disciplined dogs I have ever come across.

The dog I would trust least with my son would be a dalmatian. From my experience, they are the hardest to train and the most unpredictable.

HOWEVER, I am not a dog person. I've been around many different dogs but have never had my own dog. I love all animals. But I love other people's dogs, just like some people love other people's kids.

To varying degrees I have found them to be eccentric, for wont of another word.

...but it does seem to be a trend. And I've heard firefighters discourage kids from wanting them as pets. I'm sure there are some who are great pets and great with kids. But the dalmatians I've encountered have been, well, eccentric.

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appreciate people coming into the yard. We worked very hard at socializing her with other dogs, kids and people.

It paid off in a gorgeous and mellow loyal girl.

Waaaaaaayyy to inbred for their own good. They'll snap for no good reason.

Sorry, but a pack of 5 killed a woman a few towns over two weeks ago. Blame the owners if you wish, but the dogs killed. Fact.

The cuteness just kills me...



:hi:

RL

:yoiks:

not someone I would want to be on the wrong side of...don't even want to THINK about what dinner at the Buchanan household must have been like with Pat and Bay :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

:shrug:

Duh!

that's god.

oops. sorry.

are you giggling with glee at this amazing thread. Well you should be if you aren't ..here have some of mine :popcorn:

A person's dog is a personal friend and member of the family. These threads can no longer serve any useful purpose.

I know from your post that you mean well, but the other side isn't listening, and too many "GD Guerrillas" are looking for an easy fight to give them a free shot at a flame fest. They enjoy the war; I wonder why they are even on our side in the larger picture.

Little fuckers can really jump.