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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:07 PM
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Psst..... over in the Science Fiction forum, they have pictures of the new Mr. Spock.
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lost-in-nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:08 PM
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1. Saw them
Its Sylar from Heros
he looks awesome

Link???

Thanks

lost
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:12 PM
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2. heh...you were in the SciFi forum. nice post, Poindexter.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:14 PM
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3. You don't like Star Trek?
Hang on a sheck, my retainer's shlipping. ;)
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:16 PM
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4. original series or TNG? Voyager??? DS9??!?!?!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:18 PM
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5. DS9 is Babylon 5 with the serial numbers filed off.
And most of the story removed ;)

Fanboy fight!
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:19 PM
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7. Them's fightin' words, boy-o!
:grr:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:21 PM
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9. Them's the truth, trekkie.
You secret Wil Wheaton supporter you.

;)
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:47 PM
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24. Blargh.
Wil Wheaton as Wesley Crusher... :puke:
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:49 PM
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26.  Was the character of Wesley Crusher devised before or after Roddenberry
started doing coke?
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:52 PM
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28. If he was one of Roddenberry's ideas, I'm sure he meant well.
Meaning well about a character is one thing... Really, REALLY bad writing for most of the first two seasons? That's another thing entirely...
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:56 PM
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29. I think he was doing a lot of coke those years, Later on TNG
really sharpened up. I thought the Borg were the best enemy aliens, ever!

What was it with TNG, Voyager and Enterprise? TNG took a while to develop into something good, Enterprise really got good just when they canceled it and Voyager would get into a good story arc and then something would happen to junk it up again. It's like the bad writer would go on vacation, the good writer would sneak some great stuff in and the bad writer would come back.
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JTG of the PRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:14 PM
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30. Blame Rick Berman.
He can, more or less, be directly blamed for the decline of Star Trek.

One of the best Trek writers ever was Ronald D. Moore, and he is now doing wonders with the new Battlestar Galactica on SciFi.

TNG was a unique case. The writing was terrible at first, and then after almost three years, the light bulb got flicked on and the stories were turning to science fiction gold. Voyager started pretty good and went downhill, with intermittent spots of greatness peppered throughout. Enterprise had moments when it really had potential, but it just couldn't live up to it - which is a shame, because I really enjoyed Enterprise.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:15 PM
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46. I think it was the tension between wanting to predict a very bountiful future and
trying to tell a good story. C.S. Lewis said something about how it's easy to talk about hardship talking about heaven gets pretty boring pretty fast. When Enterprise touched on political tensions, the suggestion that the Vulcans weren't on the up-and-up and the doomsday weapon headed to Earth, it was fantastic.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:52 PM
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51. What?
I like that character!
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:21 PM
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8. i can handle a flamewar, but a Star Trek flamewar?
that's just funny.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:24 PM
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10. Looks like I'm the only one leaving winkies...
If the nerves are truly so raw on the subject then I abstain from the conversation. I'm just being silly...although I do love ST (more so the farther back you go) as well as B5 (in spite of its serious flaws; the good things about it are truly killer).
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:50 PM
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27. Did you ever see Clerks 2?
The verbal sparring match between fanboys was sooo funny. (Was that in Clerks 2? My memory these days...)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:54 PM
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52. I think it's maybe in a few of his movies...
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 05:54 PM by redqueen
I liked it in Mallrats, re: Spider Man / Superman. (at least I think that was the argument... memory... ugh)
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:34 PM
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11. Heathen! DS-9 consistently raised serious questions about life,
the universe and everything

What about Rocks and Shoals, when Benjamin was forced to massacre a group of Jem'Hadar?

Or, Duet, when Kira is confronted with a Cardassian war criminal

not to mention the treatment of the Bajoran religion all the way fro Kira's faith to Kai Wynn's plotting!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:40 PM
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19. Hmmm...
Captain Sheridan reminds us of Churchill's sacrifice of the town of Coventry, in order to keep secret the fact that Enigma had been broken... And the sacrifice of the Ranger ship, solely to plant misinformation with the enemy (that Sheridan listened to remotely, all the way through)...

Or when the last Dilgar, who held the secret of immortality, threw it in the face of those who wanted to convict her of war crimes...

Or the continuing destruction of the Narn and their religion (heck, how about the various treatments of religion in the show, especially since the author was an atheist?).
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:31 PM
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31. Five years before either DS9 and B5 premiered
JMS (the creator of B5) made the mistake of pitching B5 to Paramount (among other studios). Paramount told him that they weren't interested in any non-Trek Sci-Fi. Then all by themselves they come up with an idea for a Trek show about a space station near some kind of hyperspace portal and whose captain becomes a spiritual leader, Sisko (Emissary) & Sinclair (Valen).

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:59 PM
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32. Thanks, I hadn't read that it was fact but it makes total sense.
Cisco lost his wife to an unstoppable alien enemy; Sheridan lost his wife to an unstoppable alien enemy.

Cardassia/Bajor=Centauri/Narn

It goes on and on and on.

DS9 didn't have anything half as interesting as the First Ones. And B5 didn't patronize us with "Alien nose" makeup.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:45 PM
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33. White Star = Defiant
At least B5 never had The Cute Kid (TM). I will never understand how Worf restrained himself from strangling his whiny spawn.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:39 AM
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37. While Babylon 5 didn't have The Cute Kid™, there was that one episode in the first season...
The one where Dr. Franklin performed that simple operation on that child to save his life, despite the protests (and religious beliefs) of the parents.

I remember the ending came out of nowhere and kicked me in the gut.
I also recall saying to myself "They'd never end it like that on Star Trek."
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:42 AM
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40. So true!
I do have to give TNG points for the episode where the older Troi is in love with an alien who must turn himself in for the standard cultural death (involuntary) at a particular age, in spite of the important work he was doing. It harkens to the classic short story "The Lottery", and while not the stunner that was the B5 episode, was pretty compelling as well.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:12 AM
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34. there are similarities
but I prefer to enjoy them both without a lot of comparison...
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:43 AM
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41. That is the bottom line, isn't it.
:)
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maggies_boy Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:46 PM
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23. Life, The Universe and Everything?
That's the purview of Douglass Adams...
Hitchhikers guide rules!
Don't panic and never leave home without your towel!
Oh, and the answer is 42.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:56 PM
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53. Oh sure just give away the ending!
;)

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:19 AM
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44. Or "Far Beyond the Stars"
The complex nature of reality and the price of prejudice - Trek at its best.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:18 PM
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6. Will Benjamin ever return or will Cassidy be stuck raising that
baby all by herself?
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maggies_boy Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:34 PM
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12. You wanna talk Star Trek?
Ok, as this is my very first post on the DU, I will be kind gentle and understanding - NOT!
Let's talk about Star Trek:
TOS - This was a groundbreaking series for it's time. As Saint Gene described it "A Wagon train to the stars"
This was the first generation that saw spaceflight, men walking on the moon and the dream of traveling to new worlds. Gene took on many issues that no one would touch at the time and made them palatable to a mass audience. Racism, nuclear war and the like.
Maggie says I have to keep these short so I'll post later on my thoughts on the rest of the series.
You wanna talk Star Trek? Bring it on!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:36 PM
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14. When it was good, it was very, very good, and when it was bad,
it was silly!
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:36 PM
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15. Your next 10,000 posts will be stained by the memory of this post.
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maggies_boy Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:38 PM
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18. From each according to his abilities!
My ability is to talk about Star Trek!
And Star Wars if the need arises.
And occasionally The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai across the eighth Dimension when the mood strikes....
OOOOHHHH YEAH-----I am the UBER GEEK!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:58 PM
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54. There's a member here with this username:
Hong Kong Cavaliers.

:D

So many geeks around here... :loveya:
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:37 PM
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16. welcome to DU, and please, god, no, i really don't
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maggies_boy Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:40 PM
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20. Just having a little fun...
And thanks.
The wife has been a poster forever. Thought I'd jump in and mess around a bit.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:35 PM
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13. Hey - I just realized you called ME Poindexter!
I thought you were talking to the other guy!
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:38 PM
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17. maybe your glasses need more tape.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:41 PM
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21. I'll have you know I raised me up six proper geeky nerds
(or is that nerdy geeks?) and we'll be coming for you!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:42 PM
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22. Nice post, Zitler.
:rofl:
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:47 PM
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25. Is it child abuse to take six perfectly normal children and turn them into Trekkies?
My oldest was exposed three times while still in the womb the first Star Trek movie. What can I say? I'd waited something like 8 years for a fix!
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:15 AM
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36. my kid sat through all of DS9, all of ST - NG, all of Babylon 5 and most
of the Dr. Who series. Plus he sat through the ROTK (LOTR) twice. He also saw quite a few episodes of Red Dwarf.

I'm in trouble. ;)
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:04 AM
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42. Red Dwarf is a good thing. n/t
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:20 PM
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47. There was a very long thread about child abuse and raising children
the other night.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2269101

Running through it, I realized my kids watched mostly science fiction because that's what I wanted to watch. Most of the good science fiction is constantly examining the choices we make as individuals or as a society. I'm stating to think my kids turned out well because I fed them a steady stream of modern morality plays!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:59 PM
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55. Mine won't sit still for ST... but they love Doctor Who!
And Star Wars. :)
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:20 PM
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48. MrsCoffee & i watched Wrath of Khan the night our daughter was born
we watched it in the hospital.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:14 AM
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35. Sheesh, could ya post a link so us lazy geeks don't have to go hunting?
and we have a sci fi forum?
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:41 AM
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38. Here's a link. I didn't see one in the SciFi Group
http://www.jfxonline.com/jfxonline/2007/11/12/exclusive-quinto-as-young-spock/

(Oh, and here's the link to the SciFi Group)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=265
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:22 AM
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39. I'm afraid I can't look at him and see anything but Sylar
even with pointy ears he still just looks like Sylar to me :( I hope that won't detract from enjoying the movie
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:51 PM
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50. See, I think I'm the opposite.
When I first heard that Quinto would be Spock, I hadn't seen Heroes yet.
He really seems to be enjoying the part of Sylar, but he has the narrow, angular face that Nimoy has, and the same hair color.
And if he's that good at playing a villain, I think he'll be equally good at playing Spock.
I think he'll be a brilliant Spock. (But I bet they had to do a lot of waxing to trim his eyebrows down) :rofl:

And the movie's got Simon Pegg as Scotty, so it can't be that bad, can it?
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:48 AM
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43. I think Quinto was a bad casting choice.
He doesn't have the right "face" for Spock.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 08:56 AM
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45. Nice post, Khan
B-)
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:35 PM
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49. I've heard Paris Hilton wants to play the young Uhura.
:silly:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:55 PM
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56. cool -- and i liked all the ST series except the last one -- or rather the first one -- what ever.
and though i watched it -- i didn't ever care for B5.
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