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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:35 AM
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Anyone want to tell me if I'd like Pittsburgh?
Job potential here: http://www.pittsburghjobstoday.com/jobs/view/details/LY95494

So tell me why I'll love Pittsburgh...

RL
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:40 AM
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1. I love da Burgh...
I used to live there. Great restaurants, good music scene, college town, sports town, lots of parks. I miss it.

Oh and good museums too :)
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:45 AM
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5. Thanks
What part did you live in?

RL
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #5
13. let's see...
I've lived in a few neigborhoods in the city...Shadyside, Oakland, Friendship, and Mount Washington.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:53 AM
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17. I like Bloomfield, although my buddies in West Oakland had a cool place too.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:54 AM
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19. I spent some time in Bloomfield...
I used to like riding my bike around Bloomfield at 6 am...Weeeee!
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:58 AM
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27. Do you remember on Frienship avenue a bit towards St. Francis there was this bar that was just the..
main floor of a house. It was near Nico's Recovery room, and the bar itself had no name, but it was obvious that someone had just taken the bottom floor of the house and made a bar out of it. I wish I'd gone in.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:12 PM
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35. I like Southside Flats / Carson Street area
for opening a bookstore :D

RL
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. Definitely a good location for that!
I love Southside and Carson St....Yes, move to Pgh, and then I'll have a reason to come visit! :bounce:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Visit?
:woohoo:

:bounce:

RL
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:50 PM
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47. I've been aching to get back down there...
Hopefully once I graduate, I'll be able to make that a reality...And if you're there, there'll be no stopping me! :bounce:
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:41 AM
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2. You know why you would
:P

My parents are both from the 'burgh. They (along with their siblings) all left as soon as they had the chance, but that was a long, long time ago.

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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:44 AM
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3. Think I could get a job in the steel mills?
:hi:

RL
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:46 AM
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9. Papoo worked in one his entire career
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 11:59 AM by lizziegrace
in the mills. And my father did during college breaks. ;)

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:49 AM
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15. My brother got an internship with them
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:45 AM
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4. Do you enjoy driving at 80MPH bumper-to-bumper?
then you are going to LOVE the Squirrel hill thing

Do you enjoy not being able to drive to something you can SEE? Then you are going to love the antfarm that is downtown Pittsburgh.

Do you enjoy roadsigns being stuck up in the girders of a bridge that say basically "You need to turn NOW ----> get over two lanes right NOW!!" Then you are going to LOVE Pittsburgh

Actually everyone I met there was really nice but I was told 4 different directions to get back to the hotel that we could actually see (Sheraton I think it was) one guy paused.... looked down...thought.. and said "You can't there from here" WE COULD SEE IT!!

I have had several friends who have had the same experience.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:46 AM
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8. I heard it's an island with like 500 bridges and tunnels
:hi:

RL
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #8
115. And they're all one way.
Opposite the direction you want to go.
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #4
20. And don't forget
51 after a bad winter. Potholes that can swallow your car. ;)
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:46 AM
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6. Oh Oh OH Mistah Kottah! Mistah Kottah!
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:47 AM
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10. Yes, Ms. Writer? You wish to share?
:hi:

RL
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:52 AM
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16. Yeah...
There's this hot chick in Pittburgh that digs you 'n stuff.

Oh! And up your nose with a garden hose!

HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR!




;)
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #16
33. Really?
Do I know her?

:9

RL
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #33
49. Yes! And she has quite a following, from what I can gather!
;)

:9 (Goofball!)
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #49
98. Well, yeah, if you count me...
:9

RL
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:46 AM
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7. Pittsburgh is fun
Here's what I know:

What matters in Pittsburgh is what township you are from the way others use their street address or NYCers their borough.

Some of it is depressed due to the shut down of the steel industry and that's sad. But there is a thriving arts community and real genuine big city downtown. The PPG bulding is awesome. :D

Real estate is dirt cheap compared to other areas of the country. So you could buy a much larger house in Pgh than in other parts of the country.

Some really good ethnic restaurants, esp German.

Pitssburghers are wonderful people.

I know this because my Mom was from near there and we often visited. I visited again as an adult because my ex was a native Pittsburgher.

So yeah, if it weren't for the god awful cold weather, I'd live in Pittsburgh.


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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #7
14. The cold weather and snow is no bother
I've lived in Chicago and Milwaukee my entire life. Snow is normal...

thanks

:hi:

RL
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #14
65. Ah, yes...but
have you every had to drive up and down very steep, hilly streets in that kinda weather?

I do like Pittsburgh a whole lot! Good food, great museums. Culture, ya know?

I wouldn't dissuade you from moving there.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:47 AM
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11. Here are some questions to help you figure it out
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 11:48 AM by JVS
1. Do you like drinking?

2. Do you like fatty foods, including the use of a deep-fried pierogi as a sandwich topping?

3. Can you refrain from bad-mouthing the Pittsburgh Steelers in order not to be beaten to death in the restroom of a diner?

4. Do you like the genre of music known as Classic Rock? (You can like others too, but you'd better be ready for several stations worth of this)

5. Are you able to negotiate complicated and seemingly irrational street patterns with stoplights perched at the top of steep hills?

6. Have you ever or do you now live in a household within which someone has a moustache, and were/are you OK with that?

7. Is it ok for me to write that this sentence doesn't need fixed?

8. Are you ok with living in a city that has consistently been rated one of the worst places for singles in the country?

If you've answered no to any of these, then you have some serious considering to do.

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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:56 AM
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21. Some Answers
1. Do you like drinking?

Yes. very much. But been Sober 17 years...

2. Do you like fatty foods, including the use of a deep-fried pierogi as a sandwich topping?

HELL YES! Peirogi are straight from God!

3. Can you refrain from bad-mouthing the Pittsburgh Steelers in order not to be beaten to death in the restroom of a diner?

Yes. I can keep my mouth shut. Well, will wearing a Bears jersey get me beaten?

4. Do you like the genre of music known as Classic Rock? (You can like others too, but you'd better be ready for several stations worth of this)

Milwaukee is the same. That's why I have a CD player.

5. Are you able to negotiate complicated and seemingly irrational street patterns with stoplights perched at the top of steep hills?

Sure. I learned to drive in Chicago and survived driving in LA. Pitt would be no sweat.

6. Have you ever or do you now live in a household within which someone has a moustache, and were/are you OK with that?

LOL. Only my mom.

7. Is it ok for me to write that this sentence doesn't need fixed?

Grammar nazi here. But see #3.

8. Are you ok with living in a city that has consistently been rated one of the worst places for singles in the country?

Being single would no longer be an issue.

RL
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:02 PM
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29. Well then it seems ok, but 3 tips
As long as the steelers aren't playing the bears you'll be ok.

Buy a city road-atlas. Chicago has a functioning grid system. Driving there won't train you to deal with the 7 way intersections and what not. Hell, when I lived in Chicago over the summer, I didn't even need a map, I could just drive around and get where I needed to be.

Grow a moustache!
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Cool
Bears Steelers days I'll sty inside.

Yeah, a road atlas would be a good buy.

Me + moustache = bad 70's porn star...

RL
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #21
31. You'll need to learn the lingo...
Are yinz goin dahntown?

Rubber bands are called 'gumbands'

It's called "Pop" there...

And radiator is pronounced "raaaadiator"
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Sounds just like Chicago!
:hi:

RL
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lost-in-nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #11
44. You forgot to tell him
about having to learn a different language....


http://www.parealtor.com/pittsburghese.html

lost

oh yeah an the hills.... OMG the hills......



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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:47 PM
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45. Hold on! There's no "boilermaker", it's called Imp'n'Ahrn.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:47 AM
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12. They have the best Pie there
I'm just sayen
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #12
23. Well, like I'd listen to you...
You hate me and all...

:hi:

RL
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:11 PM
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34. I'll tell you what
I'll move to Pittsburgh and check it out for you.
Cause i am a heck of a nice guy..(umm Can you pm me pies address):hide:
:hi:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Sure, and when you knock on the door
say hi to her mom for me...

:rofl:

RL
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:15 PM
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37. Is her mom cute too?
:hide: I keep thinking about this tune
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nVJmwYKy7eM
:D
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #37
50. Without even clicking on the link
I'm guessing Stacy's Mom...

RL
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #50
62. Ding ding ding ding
:D
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:54 AM
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18. I hear dessert can be wonderful there
:P

:hi:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #18
24. So I hear...
:D

RL
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:57 AM
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22. the andy warhol museum is there!
I personally have never been there. :shrug:

http://www.warhol.org/museum_info/index.html
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #22
26. Cool!
:hi:

RL
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:58 AM
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25. I dunno if you'd consider this a plus or a minus, but...
...I live a mere hour down the interstate from Pittsburgh. :hi: :hug:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #25
28. Always a plus!
:hug:

RL
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:25 PM
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39. Lots of reasons to like Pgh - but I'm biased
:-)This isn't in any particular order:

1) The first Carnegie Library is here

2) Lots of great architecture and quaint neighborhoods in the city

3) Plenty of outdoors opportunities - three rivers in downtown, lots of canoeing/kayaking within a one hour radius, skiing (if we get enough snow), many places to hike, a National Forest NE of the city, every Pennsylvanian is within 25 miles of a State Park, and plenty of room to explore nature

4)Possibly the best pizza in America

5)The Steelers

6)The view of downtown from Mt. Washington and the West End

7)Carnegie Museum - the dinosaur hall is reopening soon

8)Affordable housing

9)The Fall is absolutely beautiful here

10)Friendly people :hi:

11) Many universities and colleges
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #39
52. Mmmmm
Seems like I should come visit soon...

RL
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:26 PM
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40. If you like baseball, they've got a great park.
Tickets always available, too. ;)

Seriously though, I hear a lot of good things about Pittsburgh, though I've never been.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #40
61. Now all they need is a Pro Team...
:hi:

RL
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:34 PM
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42. Probably help you in the "happy in the pants" area.
Nice thread you got going over there.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. ...
:rofl:

:applause:

RL
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 12:48 PM
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46. Do you like the idea of having a functional toilet and shower in your basement?
Because that's popular in Pittsburgh.
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. We have that too
in Ohio. Shower and toilet in the middle of the basement... :shrug:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Seems like a good thing.
Unless it's the only one in the house.

RL
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. ...
:P

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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #46
73. The reason for those
Is for when the men came home from the mill they'd head straight to the basement to get cleaned off, preventing the main bathroom from looking like a disaster area!
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. That makes perfect sense...
:hi:

RL
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. Yes, but on the other hand, I've known families that decided to put a kitchen, table and TV in the..
basement too and really did most of their living down there. It was especially popular your house was on enough of a hill that the back of your basement is on ground level.
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. Why not?
Same as the "den AND a living room" concept I've seen in ranch style homes.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:02 PM
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48. The worst things about Pittsburgh for me are...
the cold, the hills when it snows (nothing like accelerating going downhill with the brake on), the gray skies, and the limited number of ways to get into or leaving the city (which is bad during rush hour, especially during construction season).

Other than these things, I think that it's a wonderful place to live.

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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #48
59. The Cold is no problem I'm used to it...
Driving on the hills may take some adjustment...

RL
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:22 PM
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54. Newcomers find Pittsburgh prettier and friendlier than they expected
Newcomers find Pittsburgh prettier and friendlier than they expected
A surprising city
Sunday, May 22, 2005
By Mackenzie Carpenter, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
"We're moving to Pittsburgh."
For newcomers to our fair city, those four little words don't usually trigger the same emotions as would, say, "We're moving to Paris."
Instead of champagne and balloons, there's usually dismay, apprehension, even tears, as visions of steel mills and pollution and other outdated cliches about the Steel City come to mind.
“I was like, Pittsburgh?" recalled Michele Bisno, whose husband, Aaron, recently came here to serve as rabbi at Rodef Shalom Synagogue.
"I was initially shocked and confused; I had never lived west of Philadelphia," said Bisno, a self-described "East Coast girl" who actually grew up in Florida.
Christine Haught admitted she cried when her husband, a telecommunications executive, told her they would be moving here from Atlanta, whose climate she loved, along with the shopping. "The light is so yellow there, so lemony," said Haught, an interior designer and mother of a 10-month-old boy. "And when we first came to look at houses here, it seemed so gray and depressing."
But then the sun came out for Haught, and Bisno, and even Francoise Lagasse, a native of France who said, "My first images of Pittsburgh were the wrong ones. This is a much greener city than I expected."
All of them, along with virtually every other newcomer interviewed for this story, describe their first months here as happy, as they discovered this was no longer a smoggy, sooty town of smoke-belching factories but rather a place of charming neighborhoods and cultural amenities.
But most of all, these newcomers raved about the friendliness of Pittsburghers -- not just in the city, but from the North Hills to the South Hills to the East and beyond.
"Everyone has gone out of their way to help us adjust," said Bisno, the mother of a newborn. "We've made friends so quickly here. And to see four to five generations of people at Rodef Shalom, well, that's amazing. You don't see those kinds of loving, close-knit, multi-generational families in other places."
"Of all the places we've been, this has been the most accepting of us being new," added Fanny Long, whose husband, Jeff, came here a year and a half ago from Oklahoma to be the University of Pittsburgh's new athletic director. "On the day we moved in, my neighbor came over and said, 'I understand you have two young kids. Why don't you have them come over and play with our kids while you get settled?' "
In Long's neighborhood in Indiana Township, she added, "There's such a mixed bag of people, so many different age groups. We'll have block parties, barbecues or pot-luck suppers. Everyone knows each other; we all ask each other for favors. It's great."
Overall, about 40,000 people move into the region each year, said Chris Briem, a regional economist at the University Center for Social and Urban Research and the University of Pittsburgh. That number has generally stayed the same since the late 1990s, but it's much higher than 20 years ago, when job opportunities were far fewer. In that group are relatively high numbers of well-educated immigrants from other countries, along with American-born students who come to attend the region's many colleges and universities.
Viviana Altieri, an Italian and new American citizen who has worked and lived in Pittsburgh in varying managerial positions for UPMC, FreeMarkets and Pittsburgh National Bank before starting her own business, said that when she was transferred by FreeMarkets to Brussels in 1999 after living in Pittsburgh for six years, she felt the difference.
While Brussels was an exciting, international city, as the headquarters of the European Union, it was also quite transient, which made it hard to make lasting friendships. That's not a problem in this city of close-knit families and stable neighborhoods, she said.
"After two years in Brussels, I was looking to apply for American citizenship, so I relocated back to Pittsburgh, and I remember when I got off the plane I had this big smile on my face," said Altieri. "I felt like I was home."
Eventually, she settled in Mt. Lebanon, seeing in it much more than just the suburban atmosphere it's known for.
"I found this marvelous little dream house with brick arches and flower boxes in the windows. It felt like a place in Florence. And actually, I later found out the architect was Italian."
Recently, when Altieri was offered a job opportunity in New York, she turned it down.
"In New York, I would be one among a million strangers. Here, I am at home. People stop me on the street and say hello. It's easier to grow roots here," she said, citing traffic and cost-of living issues as well.
Valerie Navarre, a native of Paris, is also an enthusiastic convert, although she's only lived here two months.
Wife of Marc Navarre, the CEO of All-Clad, the upscale kitchen cookware company in Canonsburg, Navarre said that she, her husband and their three boys have settled easily into their home in Upper St. Clair. Navarre has moved a lot in her life -- besides occasional transfers back to France, she and her husband have lived in Syracuse, N.Y.; Dallas; and Bergen County, N.J.
"I actually prefer the snow to the rains of Paris," she said, "and for the children it's a treat if you have a two-hour delay!"
"The people here are incredibly friendly," she said. "I've never seen this anywhere else to this degree." When her teenage son was living here alone last fall with his father prior to her arrival, "he was invited by the neighbors to a Thanksgiving party. They barely knew him but took him into their home and made him feel welcome."
Haught's feelings about Pittsburgh began to change when she realized that she and her husband would be able to buy something close to a dream house here, compared to Atlanta, even if real estate prices here aren't as low as they're cracked up to be.
Not everything is perfect, of course. A passionate shopper and diner, Haught recalls the vast array of antiques shops and great restaurants in Chicago and Atlanta, her former homes, with strong nostalgia.
"But I don't want to sound negative, really. We love that we have a wonderful house that's within walking distance to Sewickley's downtown district," said Haught, who is active in the local Newcomers' Club and other volunteer activities and who will be teaching a class on interior design this spring at the nearby Sweetwater Cultural Center.
The fact that everything is near everything else -- relatively speaking -- is a big draw, added Francoise Lagasse, compared with the Bay Area of San Francisco. "In California, you'd drive a long time to get some place, and here, everything is convenient. My kids even get on the bus to go to school here, which they didn't in California."
Still, Pittsburgh's tangle of roads, tunnels and bridges can stymie the newcomer.
"The hardest thing has been the driving, getting over the hills and dales to get to everything," said Fanny Long. "In Oklahoma, everything was laid out in a grid."
Like many newcomers, she and her husband opted to live in the North Hills, citing the same reason everyone else does.
"It's the easiest commute in the city, with no tunnels," said Dana Landis, a resident of the North Hills who is active in that community's Newcomers' club. "The Parkway North is always clear when you check the morning news."
Bisno says she still hasn't figured out how to get on and off the Boulevard of the Allies when she drives to her office Downtown. "It's easy to confuse I-279 with I-579, especially when people tell you to take the exit off Squirrel Hill and there isn't one. People tend to give you directions by saying, oh, make a right where the old so-and-so building used to be, which can be hard since you weren't around when that building was."
Sylvia Gonzalez, a designer who lives near Sewickley, says the weather is probably the least of Pittsburgh's charms -- at least in January, February and March. "But you have the four seasons here," said Gonzalez, who moved here a year ago. "If they told me I was moving to California, I wouldn't want that, because I'd miss the changes from spring to summer to fall to winter."
Overall, Pittsburgh has provided Gonzalez and her husband, Juan Herrero, a vice-president at Fisher Scientific, with three important tools for a newcomer: "A good job, a great home and new friends. My husband loves his work, and I love mine, and we love the house we found. It was affordable, compared to real estate elsewhere in the country.
"We feel happy and comfortable here, because of the friends we've made. It's been so much easier here, and for that reason, I hope we won't have to move again!" she laughed.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05142/491477-264.stm
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:28 PM
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57. Thanks for the link
:hi:

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Fran Kubelik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:28 PM
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56. You'd be close to KENNYWOOD!
Kids would love it.

http://www.kennywood.com/#
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:30 PM
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58. Sweet!
They would love that!

:hi:

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:32 PM
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60. Oh yeah. Kennywood is awesome!
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 01:34 PM by JVS
Especially when your neighborhood has Kennywood day and everyone is there.

It used to be much cheaper though. What happened to general admission?
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:53 PM
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64. I got whiplash on the Steel Phantom...
But that didn't stop me from riding it a 2nd time :D
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:06 PM
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69. Same here
and I had a headache for two days, but it was worth it :-).
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:27 PM
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96. I live just across the bridge from Kennywood
I can see it after a short walk up the hill

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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:46 PM
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106. hey, how are you?
:hi:

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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:52 PM
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63. I love Pittsburgh!
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 02:06 PM by distantearlywarning
Would recommend it to almost anyone.

I was scared to move here 4 years ago for grad school, because I had this vision of it as a dirty, industrial city. But that isn't true anymore - Pittsburgh is green and has lots of cultural activities. I LOVE it here, and I have no intention of moving after graduation.

Two of the best things about Pittsburgh:

1) It's an extremely blue city. There hasn't been a Republican mayor since the 1920s. It went over 70% for Kerry in 2004. Literally, I haven't met a single Republican since I moved here. I think they just don't exist in certain city neighborhoods.

2) The cost of living is extremely low here. I just bought a house...as a grad student! It's a completely decent place with a little yard in a nice neighborhood, and I paid under $100K for it. I also just read somewhere that Pittsburgh has been rated the #1 city in the U.S. least likely to be caught up in the housing crisis over the next 3 years. In fact, our housing prices are expected to grow a little bit while the rest of the country goes in the toilet.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:55 PM
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66. thanks
:hi:

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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 01:57 PM
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67. I can see you
when I go visit family there. :)
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:36 PM
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68. ...
and I can stop to see you when I come back here to visit...

:D

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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:07 PM
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71. Works for me!
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 04:10 PM by lizziegrace
:)
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:03 PM
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70. It was a great place to grow up.
I lived in South Oakland, and I could walk to the library, museum, and, most importantly, Forbes Field. There was nothing to keep me there, though, so I left for college back in '73, and have only been back once, and that was to change planes. Lots of good things there back in the day, but like anyplace, it had its warts, too.

I'd love to go back just for the food. I'd sure love to have me one of them Primanti Brothers sammiches at two in the morning.

Yinz is kind of like y'all. Jagov is, well, just ask around, preferably while wearing that Bears jersey. One of the best reads about the 'burgh is the book by Roy Blount, "About Three Bricks Shy of a Load" about the Steelers of the early '70s. He starts out with an outsider's description of the city that is right on the mark.

Oh, and you'll love driving up Negley Avenue in the snow.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:11 PM
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97. I keep hearing about Primanti Brothers
I'll check it out when I visit.

:hi:

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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:59 PM
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72. Zombies
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:59 PM
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74. Best reason yet!
:hi:

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:27 PM
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109. Along those same lines, don't forget...
The It's Alive Show is produced locally and airs weekly, featuring horror "classics" from years gone by. The show also sponsors/hosts/coordinates Zombie Fest, which among other things pulls in huge donations for the local food bank, a substantial boost to the local blood bank, and benefits Animal Rescue, too!

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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:14 PM
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77. The Silence of the Lambs
The majority of the film was shot in Pittsburgh because it has highly variable landscapes and architecture. This variety made it easier to display many different parts of the country.

Hannibal Lechter should have stuck to Primanti sandwiches?
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:20 PM
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78. Pittsburgh is awesome!!
Not that I'm biased or anything ;-)

Seriously, I love it here. I moved here in 1988 with my family and my parents have refused to budge ever since (after moving every 2-3 years for the first 17 years of their marriage). It really is true, people here are friendly as hell (I regularly have long conversations with all kinds of people, complete strangers).

And don't believe the hype about how hard it is to get places. If you have even a mediocre sense of direction you'll be fine in no time, just don't look at the city with a "grid" mentality (impossible with the regions topography, ). If you think some streets are steep, just imagine if they tried to make it a grid. Even NYC was not on a grid system until the commisioners plan of 1811, which completely reconfigured Manhattan. Pittsburgh is not a planned city and hasn't undergone the massive razing and reconfiguring that many other US cities have done to their older sections. I don't even own a car but I am the one people go to for directions all the time, so it can't possibly be that hard.

Winter here is milder than Milwaukee and Chicago (although many pghers seem to think we live in the arctic, even though winters have been getting progressively milder over the last 20 years :rofl:).

There is still a LOT of that good working-class sensibility here, strong support for labor and small family owned businesses. There is very little pretentiousness.

Neighborhood "cliqueishness" isn't like high-school cliques. It's more of a pride thing. Pittsburgh has an extremely rich and varied history, and family is a big part of that. It's funny, I'll tell someone what neighborhood I am from and most times they say "I knew so-and-so family from there twenty years ago. Do you know them?" and, funny thing, I often do if they still live here (this is a very small neighberhood).

The pay range of the job you posted is more than enough to live comfortably on here.

There's museums, art galleries, the library system is FANTASTIC, a zillion colleges, amusement parks, wilderness, amazing architecture, a thriving music scene, great food (if you like pierogi's you're in luck, just about every place has them on the menu), a fun zoo that ISN'T like hiking through the serengeti, just too much to list. You don't pay taxes on clothing or food, even "expensive" restaurants are pretty darn affordable compared to other cities.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:59 PM
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81. Thanks!
:hi:

Mmmm. peirogi....

RL
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:46 PM
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80. You can probably get by without a car, esp. if you live in Oakland.
I took city buses to the shopping mall (occasionally) and the airport (when necessary). All other needs were within walking distance. Of course, I was a grad student at the time, so there were quite a few things I did without, but it's the last time I lived in an area where cars were truly optional.
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:39 PM
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82. I live in the northeast part of the city, no car needed here!
The only time I really long for one is when I do my big grocery shopping trip once a month. Even that is do-able without a car.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:51 PM
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83. Another advocate for Pittsburgh. It's a wonderful place to live.
Lots to do, low cost of living, and everyone is your neighbor. People are very friendly. If you get lost, you can always ask for directions! LOL And it isn't really that cold here anymore. We only had 3 snow days last year and that was the first time in 3 or 4 years that we had a cancellation. Bad winters seem to come around after a couple of mild ones, so it all averages out. One thing I have noticed though, is that has become very humid here. It used to be that you didn't need AC, but now I couldn't live without it.

We live out in the country now, but my son still lives in the city. He says the city takes pretty good care of the snowy roads. He lived on Mt. Washington while attending grad school and never had any problems. This could vary according to neighborhood, though. Some of the steep, narrow neighborhood streets aren't as well maintained as the main roads, of course.

The worst part about Pittsburgh is driving the Parkway, IMO. It is really inadequate for commuting in from the eastern suburbs and the traffic jams are frequent and infuriating.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:14 PM
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107. Thanks
:hi:

RL
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:56 PM
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84. I went to Pitt Law - LOVED Pittsburgh
We lived in Oakmont, and then I spent 9 months in Monroeville. Beautiful city with distinctive neighborhoods and friendly people. Union town and very blue. I highly recommend it!
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 10:31 PM
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85. Thanks!
:hi:

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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:22 PM
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86. City Guide 2007

Pittsburgh's close-knit fabric is one of the things people love about it. But it has drawbacks too: Newcomers can feel shut out sometimes, and longtime Pittsburghers sometimes take their city for granted. We're so used to seeing it that we sometimes forget to look.
With any luck, this City Guide -- City Paper's first -- will help solve both of those problems. It will help make visitors and newcomers feel a little more at home, and maybe make longtime residents feel like they've just arrived.
The following links will take you to directories of Pittsburgh bars, Pittsburgh restaurants, Pittsburgh art galleries and other Pittsburgh cultural institutions. You'll also find profiles of a handful of Pittsburgh personalities who contribute to the local fabric, and profiles of some local neighborhoods -- in both the suburbs and the city limits. (There are many neighborhoods we could have touted, but these literally offer something for everyone: plenty of options for those who want distinctive housing, and plenty of escapes for those trying to get out of the house.) Finally, we've provided a resource guide to help connect you with services and groups all over town.

http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/page?oid=34798

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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:30 PM
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87. Thanks!
I'll check it out...

:hi:

RL
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:52 PM
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88. The Penguins are an exciting team.
They should do well this year.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 02:25 AM
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89. Well, that's one reason...
:D

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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:16 AM
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90. If you like Dinosaurs
The Carnegie Museum unveils its new dinosaur hall
A guide to Post-Gazette coverage
Sunday, November 18, 2007
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The new "Dinosaurs in Their Time" exhibit at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History includes this toothy fellow: Allosaurus fragilis.
The Post-Gazette takes a comprehensive look at the 2 1/2 year, $36 million renovation of the Carnegie Museum's dinosaur exhibit in special package of articles, video, audio, an interactive graphic, a forum for reader comments and more.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07322/831876-115.stm

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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:58 AM
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94. Love Dinosaurs!
:applause:

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:20 AM
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91. Oh, I forgot the best reason of all!
The Incline! I looooved riding that thing every day when I lived on Mt Washington :bounce:

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:10 AM
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93. Great photo.
Actually, one of my favorite things about Pittsburgh is the view of dahntahn when you come through the tunnel (Ft. Pitt, I think?) It's one of the most spectacular entrances to a city - almost on par with the view of SF from the Golden Gate bridge, or NYC from the Staten Island ferry.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:59 AM
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95. That is breathtakingly beautiful!
Wow...

:wow:

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:06 AM
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92. Here's my take...
I grew up about 40 miles north of Pittsburgh and spent a fair deal of time there during my yout. My sister still lives there.


The good:

There are some astonishingly beautiful areas of the city, and I say this as someone who has lived in San Francisco. Actually, geographically speaking, Pittsburgh is about the only city in the US that can give SF a run for its money.

Culturally, I don't know of any other city of comparable size that can compete, with the possible exception of Boston (which is much bigger, really.) The museums, halls, etc. are all holdovers from the robber baron age and they're wonderful. The symphony is wonderful. Really a feast for the senses.

The restaurant scene is better now than it was ten years ago, but it's not Chicago. There are some gems, but there's also a lot of tired rehashed crap.

Also, one of the nice things about Pittsburgh is that it's very easy to get out of the city and explore the countryside. It's not particularly congested, despite what the locals like to think.

Real estate is also cheaper than dirt. There are some very nice houses on offer for not very much money.

The bad:

Despite all of the good, it's fucking boring and very provincial. Downtown is dead every weekday after 6:00 and on the weekends. Everyone will tell you about the live music scene and the nightlife and blah blah blah but at the end of the day you're not going to be able to do any of that because the nightlife is scattered in small pockets all over the city and you won't have a way of getting home after a couple of beers because cabs are nonexistent. Public transportation is awful. The infrastructure of the city is crumbling. The suburbs are disgusting.

As was mentioned upthread, DO NOT MOVE THERE IF YOU ARE SINGLE. It is sheer doom and terror.

All in all it's a good place to raise a family, and there are a lot of redeeming qualities about the city, but I'd never live there in a million years. I'd go insane from the boredom.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:46 PM
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122. Hmmm, I suspect I wouldn't be that bored
thanks...

:hi:

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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:01 AM
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99. If I were you, I'd go for the pie
the rest of he stuff doesn't matter that much.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:31 AM
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100. True...
:hi:

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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:52 AM
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101. If you like to dance!
Coal Country Traditions...sponsoring dances and dance classes in Pittsburgh PA

Bobby D's Swing City Dances are held every
Saturday Night at the Wightman School,
5604 Solway Street, Pittsburgh, PA.
Swing City is Open All Summer Long!

Beginner Dance Lesson starts at 8:00 P.M.
Swing City Dance is from 9:00 PM-Midnight.
$8.00 Cover on DJ Nights, $10.00 Cover on Band Nights

4,000 Sq Ft Wood Dance Floor ~ Hundreds of Singles!
DJ's and Live Bands ~ Free Dance Lesson at 8 PM
Hot Jazz ~ Big Band Swing! ~ 50's Rock 'n Roll
Safe Area in Squirrel Hill ~ Great Atmosphere
No Smoking ~ All Ages ~ Line Dances!

http://swingpgh.com/

http://www.coalcountry.org/


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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:45 PM
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104. Always wanted to learn to swing dance...
:hi:

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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:03 PM
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102. 2 Pickets To Tittsburgh?
:shrug: :shrug: :hi:
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:14 PM
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103. Best thing about Pittsburgh is...
...ethnic food festivals!

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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 05:45 PM
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105. Do they have a Kielbasa & Pierogi fest?
:yummy:

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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 08:29 AM
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111. That would be Polish food
We also have Italian food festivals and (my favorite) Greek food festivals. The one at the big Greek church in Canonsburg every June is the best.

Oh, and we have a brewery that serves great German food.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:40 PM
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117. That's regular food there, no need for a fest
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:18 PM
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108. I lived in Pittsburgh for 3 years and I loved it! And I came from SO Calif. so it was bit of a
cultural shock. But still Pittsburgh grew on me and I loved it and I have great memories.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 08:18 AM
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121. Thanks!
:hi:

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 12:01 AM
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110. I love Pennsylvania
been on some TDY's there and the people - well, they were just my kind of folk :thumbsup:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:07 AM
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112. Thanks!
and I have no idea what a TDY is...

:hi:

RL
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:37 PM
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116. tdy=temporary duty
Also, some more links that might help you!
Good luck,
Al

Pittsburgh Links
Visit these links for important information about your transition to the Pittsburgh region.
ATTRACTIONS
Andy Warhol Museum
Carnegie Museums
Carnegie Science Center
City Theater
Gateway Clipper Fleet
Kennywood
Mattress Factory
National Aviary in Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh Cultural Trust
Phipps Conservatory and Botanical Gardens
Pittsburgh Public Theater
Pittsburgh Zoo & Aquarium
Senator John Heinz Pittsburgh Regional History Center
Sandcastle Water Park
Pittsburgh Children's Museum
Pittsburgh Voyager
Frick Art & Historical Center
Pgh Center for the Arts
Society for Contemporary Crafts

CIVIC/GOVERNMENT CONTACTS
Allegheny County
City of Pittsburgh
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
Pittsburgh Convention and Visitors Bureau
Pittsburgh Regional Alliance
Three Rivers Free Net

DANCE
Duquesne University Tamburitzans
Pittsburgh Ballet Theater

MUSIC
Civic Light Opera
Manchester Craftsmen's Guild
Pittsburgh Blues Women
Pittsburgh Symphony

NEWSPAPERS
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Tribune-Review
City Paper

SPORTS & RECREATION
Allegheny Trail Association
Ladbroke at the Meadows
Lernerville Speedway
Pittsburgh Penguins
Pittsburgh Pirates
Pittsburgh Steelers
Pittsburgh Marathon
Pittsburgh Riverhounds
Pittsburgh Panthers

SCHOOLS & UNIVERSITIES
Public Schools
Carlow College
Carnegie Mellon University
Catholic Schools
Chatham College
Duquesne University
Indiana University of PA
LaRoche College
Pittsburgh Filmmakers
Point Park College
Robert Morris University
St.Vincent College
Seton Hill University
Slippery Rock University
University of Pittsburgh

TRANSPORTATION
Port Authority
PA Dept.Motor Vehicles
City Parking

CLUBS & ORGANIZATIONS
PUMP

http://www.presentingpittsburgh.com/links.asp

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:03 PM
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120. temporary duty
my company sent me from the Dallas area to Philly and Wilkes-Barre to train people.......I just felt very comforable there and OMG the junk food was HEAVEN. :thumbsup:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:17 AM
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113. Daughter #2 went to Pitt undergrad.
I visited a few times, cool gritty city, has alot of stuff to do. Pittsburgh reminds me a bit more of the midwest.

I guess it depends on where you are coming FROM...it's not like the eastern part of PA which is more like NJ, NYC, fast paced and crazy. (But we happen to like that!) :hi:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 01:20 PM
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114. Coming from Milwaukee
So probably a lot the same...

RL
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TimeChaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 02:49 PM
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118. I grew up in Pittsburgh, it's a great town
One of the most green cities in the nation and also one of the most livable.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 09:55 PM
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119. Thanks!
:hi:

RL
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