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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:06 PM
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I am *not* seeking medical advice....just wondering....
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 07:15 PM by KC2
...*in your personal opinion*...would it help or hurt my blood pressure to drink alcohol the night before a doctor's appointment? I would ask my sister, the nurse, but she would more than likely give me a self-righteous, Southern Baptist, lecture! lol

:beer:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:08 PM
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1. Based on personal experience, no.
I could explain at length, but the answer is just 'No'.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:09 PM
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3. Thanks!
:hi:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:09 PM
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2. It depends - Do you have low or high blood pressure?
It helps in one case, not the other.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:10 PM
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5. High
In July 170/100. Last month, on my own (no meds), I got it down to 135/90. But, they still want to put me on meds if I can't get it down. (sigh)
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:20 PM
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10. Then no, it won't help
alcohol does raise blood pressure.

In any event, I would not try to artificially manipulate my blood pressure to deceive a doctor. Let him give you advice based on the real situation, then decide whether you want to accept that advice or not.

I don't know what your situation is, and I am definitely not a doctor. So I can't give you medical advice.

What I do know, in my case, is that exercises does bring resting blood pressure down.

Best of luck to you.

:hug:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:23 PM
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13. Thanks!
Yeah, I used to be really good at meditation (when I had more peace in my life). And, I used to artificially lower my BP (by using visualization techniques). My sister accused me of "cheating" by doing that. I do see your point. And, I probably won't drink tonight.... I was really curious, though, in case I end up wanting to.

Thanks for your thoughts and good wishes! :hug:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:21 PM
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12. Me too.
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 07:22 PM by trof
Now I take my meds in the a.m.
When I took them in the evening along with the copious amounts of Scotch ;-) I sometimes blacked out...momentarily.

Talked to my doc when I had the problem and she said "Oh god trof, that's LOW BLOOD PRESSURE. Take BOTH pills in the morning, then."

duh

No problem now.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:28 PM
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14. That Scotch is good stuff...
It is rapidly becoming my drink of choice. Now if I can just find single malt Scotch on sale somewhere!!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:36 PM
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33. why are you afraid of the meds?
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 11:38 PM by grasswire
They are pretty benign. Many people are on a regimen of Atenolol (a beta blocker) and Hydrocholorothyazide (a diuretic) with little effect noticeable, but you will feel better and protect your heart from attack and your brain from a stroke. Total cost of these two meds for me is $23 per month. It would only be $8 at Wal-Mart. My BP on these meds is 122/78. My BP without them was much, much higher.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:47 PM
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34. Every drug has a side effect, it seems...
..I'd rather avoid the side effects, if I can.

Here are just a few:

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=593

Possible Side Effects of Drugs That Lower Blood Pressure

Some of the drugs listed below can affect certain functions of the body, resulting in bad side effects. However, drugs that lower blood pressure have proven effective over the years. The benefits of using them far outweigh the risk of side effects. Most people who’ve taken these drugs haven’t had any problems.
Diuretics — Some of these drugs may decrease your body's supply of a mineral called potassium. Symptoms such as weakness, leg cramps or being tired may result. Eating foods containing potassium may help prevent significant potassium loss. You can prevent potassium loss by taking a liquid or tablet that has potassium along with the diuretic, if your doctor recommends it. Diuretics such as amiloride (Midamar), spironolactone (Aldactone) or triamterene (Dyrenium) are called "potassium sparing" agents. They don’t cause the body to lose potassium. They might be prescribed alone but are usually used with another diuretic. Some of these combinations are Aldactazide, Dyazide, Maxzide or Moduretic.

Some people suffer from attacks of gout after prolonged treatment with diuretics. This side effect isn't common and can be managed by other treatment.

In people with diabetes, diuretic drugs may increase the blood sugar level. A change in drug, diet, insulin or oral antidiabetic dosage corrects this in most cases. Your doctor can change your treatment. Most of the time the degree of increase in blood sugar isn't much. Impotence may also occur in a small percentage of people.

Beta-blockers — Acebutolol (Sectral), atenolol (Tenormin), metoprolol (Lopressor), nadolol (Corgard), pindolol (Visken), propranolol (Inderal) or timolol (Blocadren) may cause insomnia, cold hands and feet, tiredness or depression, a slow heartbeat or symptoms of asthma. Impotence may occur. If you have diabetes and you’re taking insulin, have your responses to therapy monitored closely.

ACE inhibitors — These drugs, such as captopril (Capoten), enalapril (Vasotec), lisinopril (Zestril or Prinivil), may cause a skin rash; loss of taste; a chronic dry, hacking cough; and in rare instances, kidney damage.

Angiotensin II receptor blockers — These drugs may cause occasional dizziness.

Calcium channel blockers — Diltiazem (Cardizem), nicardipine (Cardene), Nifedipine (Procardia) and verapamil (Calan or Isoptin) may cause palpitations, swollen ankles, constipation, headache or dizziness. Side effects with each of these drugs differ a great deal.

Alpha blockers — These drugs may cause fast heart rate, dizziness or a drop in blood pressure when you stand up.

Combined alpha and beta blockers — People taking these drugs may experience a drop in blood pressure when they stand up.

Central agonists — Alpha methyldopa (Aldomet) may produce a greater drop in blood pressure when you're in an upright position (standing or walking) and may make you feel weak or faint if the pressure has been lowered too far. This drug may also cause drowsiness or sluggishness, dryness of the mouth, fever or anemia. Male patients may experience impotence. If this side effect persists, your doctor may have to change the drug dosage or use another medication.

Clonidine (Catapres), guanabenz (Wytensin) or guanfacine (Tenex) may produce severe dryness of the mouth, constipation or drowsiness. If you're taking any of these drugs, don’t stop suddenly, because your blood pressure may rise quickly to dangerously high levels.

Peripheral adrenergic inhibitors — Reserpine may cause a stuffy nose, diarrhea or heartburn. These effects aren't severe and no treatment is required other than to change the amount of drugs taken. If you have nightmares or insomnia or get depressed, tell your doctor. You should stop using the drugs.

Guanadrel (Hylorel) or guanethidine (Ismelin) may cause some diarrhea, which may persist in some people. This side effect usually becomes less of a problem if you continue treatment.

These drugs reduce blood pressure more when you stand. Consequently, you may get dizzy and lightheaded and feel weak when you get out of bed in the morning or stand up suddenly. If you notice any of these reactions — and if they persist for more than a minute or two — sit or lie down and either reduce or omit the next dose of the drug. If symptoms continue, contact your doctor.

When you're taking guanethidine, don't keep standing in the hot sun or at a social gathering if you begin to feel faint or weak. These activities cause low blood pressure. Male patients may experience impotence. Contact your doctor if this occurs. These drugs are rarely used unless other medications don’t help.

Blood vessel dilators — Hydralzine (Apresoline) may cause headaches, swelling around the eyes, heart palpitations or aches and pains in the joints. Usually none of these symptoms are severe, and most will go away after a few weeks of treatment. This drug isn't usually used by itself. Minoxidil (Loniten) is a potent drug that's usually used only in resistant cases of severe high blood pressure. It may cause fluid retention (marked weight gain) or excessive hair growth.

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:15 AM
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35. that's true, and I also hate starting meds
I resist all of them, and resisted getting my BP under control for too long because of it.

However, I can tell you that I take those meds every single day, with no ill side effects and some good effects that make me feel truly better. YMMV, of course.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:20 AM
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36. I appreciate the positive side..
..and I'll only resist taking them as long as I can. I realize, with age, it might become impossible. Especially if I don't change my sedentary ways. Just so you know, I'd never endanger my health out of stubbornness. I am well aware of the dangers of letting hypertension go uncontrolled. Thank you for your concern. :-)
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:12 PM
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7. Now we can guess.
Are you on the five o'clock news?
"Does drinking raise your blood pressure? Tune in at 6 to find out."
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:13 PM
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8. lol!
I was, actually, on the 10 o'clock news once. I keep meaning to share that speeding ticket story with the Lounge, but it never seems like the appropriate time.

:rofl:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:20 PM
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11. You noticed that, didn't you...
:hi:
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:09 PM
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4. I really don't know, but it seems to me
that alcohol would lower your blood pressure seeing as how it's supposed to make your blood thinner. Just a wild guess.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:11 PM
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6. hmm...
When I googled it I got conflicting info. Thanks for the response. :hi:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:14 PM
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9. It 'usually' does.
Relaxes the vessel walls.
All other things being more-or-less equal.
Which they sometimes are.
;-)
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:39 PM
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15. Not to be a smart ass but picture asking this of your doctor.
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 07:46 PM by leeroysphits
Imagine what she/he would say too you and go with that.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:45 PM
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17. Oh... I once...
..many years ago... admitted to a doctor I'd taken Vicodin with a glass of wine (hey, honestly, it was just one glass of wine). I thought the doctor's eyes would pop out of his head! Never discussed drinking alcohol with any doctor, ever, after that! I love it when they ask, "What do you mean by socially?" lol
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:41 PM
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16. I wouldn't drink.
I think you can survive one night without drinking! :rofl:

Good Luck. :hi: :hug:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:47 PM
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18. Ha ha!!
I think I can, too! (I'm going to get you for that!!) :hi: :hug:

:rofl:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:29 PM
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21. I am so offended.
I am so mad.

You're going to get me???? :shrug:

What the hell does that mean???? :shrug:


I am so sick of DU stalkers. :eyes:


























:P ;) :) :hi:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:45 PM
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28. You're just testing my soberness...
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 09:59 PM by KC2
..to see if I can respond with an equal amount of smilies...aren't you? lol

:shrug: :eyes:

Here....

:P ;) :) :hi:

Oh, and...

:loveya: :hug:




edit: hey, it was an honest typo!

:rofl:
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caty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:47 PM
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19. Why would you want to do anything
that would alter the true results of your examination? How can your doctor know how to treat you when you mask a symptom? You have to be totally honest with your doctor or else .


:evilgrin:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 07:49 PM
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20. Yeah...yeah...
I've gotten this lecture from my older sister many times. Thanks. I know you are right. :hi:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:34 PM
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22. Not sure, but I know what will make it better...
either way - is exercise, but only if you regularly do it
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:37 PM
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23. Yes, I know...
And when I walked every single day.. and swam a lot more... it did help.

But knowing and doing are two different things with me.

Not having enough discipline has always been my biggest problem.

Thanks. :hi:
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:39 PM
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24. Think of it this way
For every day you do 30-40 minutes of cardio, you have allowed your body to process one pint of ale, 2 shots of rum, 2 body shots of tequila, or big ass glass of wine, without consequence.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:41 PM
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26. Well...
THAT is certainly motivation! lol :D
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:41 PM
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25. garlic is good for high blood pressure
scotch, not so much.......

:hi:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:42 PM
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27. Ah... yes..
I have heard that. No problems there... I love Italian food... and get plenty of garlic! :hi:
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 09:55 PM
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29. Perhaps you should talk to your doctor
about your drinking.

BTW, drinking, especially frequently, is bad for your blood pressure and numerous other organs you may be interested in preserving.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:02 PM
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30. Um....
Shhh.... don't tell anybody...

but I really don't drink very much.

It may seem that way here, because I PUI... but I really don't. Honest! :hi:
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:09 PM
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31. OK, maybe it's just some of the threads you start
Just thought I would throw that out there with all good intentions. If it doesn't apply, no worries.

Take care and hope your visit with the doc is unremarkable. I had a CAT scan when I was first diagnosed with high bp and at the end, she said, "Your brain scan is unremarkable." I said, "Gee, thanks." and we both chuckled.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 10:14 PM
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32. I can see where people would get that impression
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 10:15 PM by KC2
But we have quite a few bottles (dozens, in fact) of old liquor - in our liquor cabinet - that prove otherwise. Mostly, if I'm to be honest, I wish I could be an alcoholic. I know that sounds strange. It's involved...but trust me when I tell you that I go for weeks on end without touching the stuff...and I don't obsess about it like an alcoholic does (and I've known plenty...to know the signs). Now... food... well... that is a whole other issue. If I could only get myself to stop dreaming of Starbucks ice cream! :9
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