For the last time... Deckard is NOT a replicant.

redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:45 PM
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For the last time... Deckard is NOT a replicant.

Edited on Tue Nov-20-07 04:45 PM by redqueen

There are so many flaws with that theory... but this alone should be enough:

If they were going to make a replicant that chases down and captures errant replicants... wouldn't they make it a bit stronger than other models? At least stronger than a basic pleasure model? Of course they would.

Case closed.

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flvegan

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:45 PM
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1. Oh, goody!

:popcorn:

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Fire Walk With Me

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:17 PM
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45. No; "boring".

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EstimatedProphet

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:46 PM
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2. I never got the whole Deckard is a replicant thing.

I don't see why people draw that conclusion anyway.

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:49 PM
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6. Because Ridley Scott is a lying flakey flake.

He drums up hype and it makes the news. *yawn*

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IndianaJones

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:46 PM
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3. the dude on Star Trek? nt.

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HiFructosePronSyrup

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:47 PM
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4. No, buy Han Solo was a droid.

Makes sense when you think about it.

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DS1

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:48 PM
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5. Is

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:50 PM
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10. Is not!

What's your evidence? The unicorn dream?

Please.

I can refute that easily.

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DS1

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:52 PM
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15. Refute

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:57 PM
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19. Gaff makes his origamis as analogies.

He made a chicken to say that Deckard was acting like a chicken, not that Deckard dreamed about a chicken.

The unicorn most likely meant that Deckard was chasing an impossible goal, not that Gaff knew Deckard had dreamed about a unicorn.

And besides, dreams? Really? People know what replicants dream about? Funny how Deckard chose to relate detailed childhood memories to Rachael, but for some reason people eat up the unicorn reference as meaningful, when obviously Gaff (if Deckard was a replicant, which he's not) would have had access to much more convincing information than that.

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DS1

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:01 PM
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29. Yes, but Gaff had a soft spot for runaway replicants, that's why he didn't launch

a squadron of Vipers when Deckard and Sean Young took off. He knew they were going to die, so he fired up the FTLs and jumped out to go after Baltar instead

:P

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:04 PM
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33. Oh! There's another one! Why didn't Gaff say:

"It's too bad neither you nor she will live..."

Huh? HUH?!

Yeah, that's what I thought!

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DS1

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:05 PM
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36. Cylon

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:07 PM
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37. What's that?

I googled it and found this:

:shrug:

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MrCoffee

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:08 PM
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38. OMFG!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

that's just fan-damn-tastic

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DS1

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:10 PM
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40. oh boy

E J Olmos in his new role, Commander Adama of the Battlestar Galactica

The girl on the steps and the blonde are cylons. I was ducking out by changing to BSG

nevermind. cranky.

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:15 PM
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43. What'd I say?

I'm not that cranky, really.

I'm sorry. :hug:

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MrCoffee

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:55 PM
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18. the hell you say! PKD was clear...Deckard is human.

in the novel, Deckard takes the Voight-Kampff test and passes.

fuck ridley scott. Deckard is human.

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EstimatedProphet

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Tue Nov-20-07 07:12 PM
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54. Yes he was

The test could be fooled, and a human could show up as a replicant, but not the other way around. And, Deckard passed the biggest test of all - he was able to take part in Mercerism, which the replicants can't.

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Pierre.Suave

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:49 PM
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7. WHAT?

I am completely lost?

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:04 PM
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34. Yes?

:shrug:

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Pierre.Suave

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:14 PM
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42. I have so mnany questions

who the hell is deckard?

what is a replicant?

WTF are you all talking about?

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:15 PM
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44. It's from the movie Blade Runner, which is only the best movie EVER.

Sorry we ruined it for you. :(

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Pierre.Suave

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:19 PM
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47. thats ok

I probably wasnt going to watch it anyway. I am not a Sci-Fi fan.

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ohiosmith

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:49 PM
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8. If Deckard was supposed to be a replicant,

and he wasn't supposed to know about it, the only way to pull it off (without letting him find out or making him suspicious) would be to give him average human skills and abilities, and NOT make him a terminator of sorts. Unfortunately this would indeed mean he has to deal with physically stronger opponents.

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:54 PM
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17. Nice bit of rationalization there.

Tell me this, then... why would they make him so resistant to doing his damn job?

He has to be *threatened* to come back. Remember?

So what, they made him rebellious... for kicks?

Pff... SO not a replicant.

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ohiosmith

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:08 PM
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39. In his memory he was threatened. In fact, he didn't come back, he was activated.

He was resistant because he suspected his true identity and admitted as much when he said "I knew it on the roof that night. We were brothers, Roy Batty and I" Rebellion was a personality trait that made him appear more human.

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:14 PM
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41. Are you Ridley Scott?

Is that what's going on here?

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ohiosmith

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:22 PM
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48. I Am the Walrus

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Dr. Strange

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:50 PM
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9. Dickhead!

If you're a true geek, you'll recognize that as a compliment!

Let's see how much of a geek redqueen really is!

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:58 PM
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20. Um...

okay?

I is confused. And thefore not a true geek.

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MrCoffee

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:59 PM
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23. wha??

you don't comprende?

:cry:

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:00 PM
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24. No.

:(

In my defense though, I forget stuff nearly immediately... books, movies... only if I watch or read them repeatedly do they stick in my head.

I have issues.

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MrCoffee

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:01 PM
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28. i have exactly the opposite issues

i remember the most inane useless trivia.

Philip K. Dick wrote "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?", the novel Blade Runner is based on.

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:03 PM
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31. Yeah, I know...

I just didn't put "dickhead" together with PKD.

:dunce:

IF I'm a geek, I'm the dumbest geek I know. :blush:

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Dr. Strange

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:01 PM
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27. Sigh, turn in your geek card.

Who wrote 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep'?
Therein lies the answer...

Or check out http://totaldickhead.blogspot.com/

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:02 PM
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30. Aw geez...

Do you mean "Dick"head as in PKD?

:dunce:

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Dr. Strange

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:03 PM
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32. That's it!

I think you're going to have to go through geek initiation again before getting your membership back.

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DS1

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:05 PM
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35. Kippleface

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Dr. Strange

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Tue Nov-20-07 10:32 PM
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56. Oh great, another Mercerite fundamentalist!

Wait right there while I go find my throwing rocks...

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billyskank

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:50 PM
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11. You're such a geek.

:loveya:

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:58 PM
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21. ...

:loveya:

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NewJeffCT

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:50 PM
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12. thanks for spoiling it for me

I've never seen the movie.

:hide:

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MrCoffee

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:51 PM
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13. who is claiming this bullshit again?

Ridley Scott is so bad at publicity that he has to change the endings of his movies a dozen times just to stir a turd.

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:59 PM
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22. Hahaha...

ohiosmith said it in that best / worst movie ending thread. Got me so riled I started this. :blush:

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MrCoffee

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:00 PM
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25. you got me all worked up over an ohiosmith comment?

sheesh

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:17 PM
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46. Me? I didn't get you worked up.

Don't you blame me for that!

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Dr. Strange

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Tue Nov-20-07 07:27 PM
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55. You worked him up a little.

Let's be fair.

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Parche

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:51 PM
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14. What The Hell Are You Talking About Professor

Can you say that in english,.....please explain....:shrug: :shrug: :hi:

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DS1

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Tue Nov-20-07 04:53 PM
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16. What the fuck does Midwest Express have to do with this?

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Parche

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:00 PM
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26. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the......?

They are a damn good airline :hi:

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Mike03

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:37 PM
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49. Ridley Scott says he is

This question use to obsess me. It seemed to me that Deckard could not possibly be a Replicant, otherwise the purpose/point of the film would be lost or irrelevant.

But what do we do when the director--and cues within the film itself--tell us that he is?

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redqueen

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:41 PM
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50. You realize that the director is a lying so and so.

And that he did that stuff in the movie to try to confuse people. :)

Besides, did you read through the thread? I think the arguments against it are more than satisfactory.

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MrCoffee

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:46 PM
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51. Ridley Scott doesn't know shit

PKD wrote Deckard as a human. Ridley Scott can go piss up a rope.

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Mike03

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Tue Nov-20-07 05:48 PM
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52. This is what I've argued for years:

Ridley Scott doesn't understand the screenplay he directed.

He admits he permitted everyone on the set to just come up with cool stuff on the spot, including dialogue and things that were not in the screenplay.

So, I wish Ridley Scott would Shut The Fuck Up. (Smilie here)

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MrCoffee

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Tue Nov-20-07 06:23 PM
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53. "Ridley Scott doesn't understand the screenplay he directed." - perfect

you are absolutely right. Scott didn't get it.

:applause: :thumbsup: :yourock:

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Frank Cannon

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Tue Nov-20-07 11:32 PM
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57. PKD would rotate at 70,000 RPMs in his grave

if he knew Ridley Scott intended the Deckard character to be a replicant.

Anyone who's familiar with the PKD's work in general, and "Do Androids..." in particular, knows that's just so... wrong.

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