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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:03 AM
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Poll question: Bertha Katzenengel - or - Bertha Venation? Help me decide.
I'm thinking of going back to Bertha Venation. What do you think?

My original name here was Bertha Venation, borrowed shamelessly from "Torch Song Trilogy." I appropriated it while singing in a community chorus. The director decreed that in order to show we ourselves supported the chorus, our annual dues (amount decided individually) would be printed in the programs along w/ the other donors. I didn't like that. I try not to go banging pots and calling out my gifts. So I told the printer "my name is Bertha Venation" and that's how it was printed.

I adore that name: "Bertha Venation." (I also adore Harvey Fierstein.)

I changed to Bertha Katzenengel (German, loosely "cats' angel") when I got into feral cat TNR seriously. I no longer have the energy to pursue that actively. I'm lending out my traps and that's all for now. So I'm thinking of changing back. (All of those that we care for are now spayed/neutered.)

And as for just Bertha: I have become Bertha. It's my favorite nickname and my alter ego. Remember the song about Bertha Butt & the Butt Sisters? My sisters are certainly butt sisters.... I also like it because in a Rita Mae Brown (I think) novel, I read the phrase "she's a friend of Bertha's" -- equivalent to "a friend of Dorothy's."

Now that everyone knows the stories of how I chose my names -- and why my beloved's name here is Mrs. Venation -- what do you think: stay w/ Katzenengel, or go back to Venation?
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:08 AM
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1. Bertha Venation and Mrs Venation were the first
Edited on Sun Jan-06-08 11:08 AM by auntAgonist
real contacts I had here on DU. I like Bertha Venation!

but... I love you both no matter what name you choose, Bertha :)

:hug:

aA
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:09 AM
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2. Kesha
:loveya: :hug:
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:23 AM
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3. I have only known you as Bertha Katzenegel, and I enjoy your
posts. However, I LOVE the name Bertha Venation!! Either way, I will be on the look out for you.
My vote: GO back to Bertha Venation :loveya:

:hug:

:hi:
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Spacemom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:29 AM
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4. I know you as either/or
I just think "sweet" whichever name I see. :D

I also love Harvey Fierstein. I think watching Torch Song Trilogy with my mom as a teenager probably contributed to my formation as a liberal. :)
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:35 AM
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5. I'll go with the majority here....
"A rose by any other name..."
:hug:
Duckie
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:38 AM
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6. Downside to "Bertha Venation"
..."Birth of a Nation" is about the most racist movie ever made by a major filmmaker. Glorifies the KKK... but not many people today have seen it or heard of it, so maybe it's a "moo" point.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:50 AM
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9. Heh heh - moo
:) My name and the film have nothing to do with each other.

:hi:
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:40 AM
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28. didn't intend to imply a connection...
but it may bring the movie to mind to those of us who studied early cinema... just sayin'
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:24 PM
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21. and I thought it was a terrific pun and chuckled every time I saw it
on the board! As I learned more about our Bertha I enjoyed the pun on multiple levels


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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:42 AM
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7. first google "Birth of a Nation" and then decide.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:50 AM
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8. Hi, izzybeans. This has already been hashed out thoroughly,
probably 3-4 years ago.

My name as chosen has absolutely nothing to do with the racist film, and I won't engage in this argument.

:)
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:52 AM
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10. I didn't mean that statement as a reflection on your intent, just the interpretation
that your readers may have.

Sorry.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:53 AM
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11. Aw, no apology necessary.
In the wake of the "retarded" discussions last night, I understand your point. :)
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:33 PM
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12. that's probably the last thing i think of
when i read Bertha's posts here... I think we're all smart enough to deduce that the film and her name are not related.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:56 PM
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27. I remember that
argument. Sigh.

I thought Bertha Venation was a pretty creative name. The PC police get offended a bit too easily. IMHO

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:37 PM
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13. Katzenangel, Venation, whatever.
Just as long as you're still posting, Bertha. :pals:



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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:40 PM
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14. I'm fond of Britney Katzenengel.
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PhiBetaCretin1 Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:03 PM
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19. ROFL - I second that one!
:rofl: I love it! :woohoo:
:rofl:
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 08:30 PM
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22. ROFL
:rofl:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:42 PM
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15. I like "Venation" better
:)
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:45 PM
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16. Katze Venation
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tjwmason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:40 PM
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17. Venation is easier for this limey to pronounce.
Despite this being all text - I do still have the pronunciation of words floating around in my head.

But I haven't had any problems since you became Katzenengel (here I learn that I also find it easier to type Venation), you're still the same delightful Bertha either way around.
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:49 PM
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18. I'm not a limey (I don't think, anyway) but I agree with tjwmason...
you're fantastic either way - I think of you as "Bertha", whether it's Katzenengel or Venation. I actually shortened Katzenengel in my mind and just called you "Bertha Katz" (because of the Waldorf Cat Spa or Retreat or Emporium...)

:shrug: I don't know. How about "Katznation"? (ha ha)
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 02:21 PM
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20. I like Bertha Venation!
:hi:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:34 PM
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23. My dear Bertha!
Either name is fine with me...

But do remember:

When you change your name, you lose your entire post count...

Now, maybe that doesn't matter to you!

In which case, change away, sweetie!


:hug:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:48 PM
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24. I love the name "Bertha Venation".
Katzenengel is cool, but Venation is cooler, imho.

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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:49 PM
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25. I'm gonna say Venation...
but then again, I'm a DU old-schooler, like you... :)
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 10:53 PM
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26. How strange you should ask this today!
Just this afternoon I was telling Mr. LIW I missed your name as "Bertha Venation". I'd love to see you reclaim it. :)
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