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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 04:47 PM
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Catholic hospital allows breast enlargement for biological women only
I hate to sound stupid, but we know that Catholic run hospitals are going to limit things to those idea & people that are not "catholic value". I live near a Catholic hospital but I have in my wallet to not take me there in case of emergency. What if I'm raped? I know that the Catholic Hospital will not provide me EC but the other hospital will. So although I think it's bullshit that this woman cannot get her breasts, she should have known better than to go to a catholic hosptial.

http://pageoneq.com/news/2008/Hospital_Catholic_teachings_allow_breast_enlargements_for_biologically_born_w_0105.html

Hospital: Catholic teachings allow breast enlargements for biologically born women only


by Nick Langewis


A transgender woman has filed a discrimination lawsuit against a hospital that prevented her from having breast augmentation surgery, reports the San Jose Mercury News this morning.

San Francisco city employee Charlene Hastings, 57, was told by her surgeon that hospital policy barred him from performing surgery contrary to the ownership's Catholic beliefs, including "transgender surgery."

The surgeon, Dr. Leonard Gray, reportedly continues enlarging the breasts of biologically born women unhindered.

"I think God loves me no matter what," says Hastings, who was raised Catholic.

Hastings and her counsel contend that barring even an elective medical procedure on the basis of gender identity is a violation of California's Unruh Act, which offers no religious exemption for withholding services.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:04 PM
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1. I wonder, did she have the option of going through another hospital?
Are there other surgeons who would take her as a patient? I imagine it all depends on what hospital each surgeon is affiliated with.
:(

Getting necessary healthcare is such a minefield. I'll bet there are many additional minefields for elective surgery.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:35 PM
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2. The Catholic hospital in my town
would not allow me to get a tubal ligation (sterilization) either. I had to another hospital for the surgery.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:15 AM
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5. Something like that happened to my mom.
When she was pregnant with my baby sister, the plan was for her to have her tubal done at the same time as her c section. Well, midway through her pregnancy her OB switched hospital affiliations, and it was really too late for her to switch care providers, either medically or financially.

She never did get her tubal, and as a smoker was at increased health risk using oral contraceptives instead, but apparently it was more respectful of life to force her to either have babies she didn't want, at no small risk to herself due to some other health problems, or risk her health to prevent it, instead of getting a few additional snips and sutures during the premature delivery of my sister. Jesus, I'm sure, was especially proud. :eyes:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 05:51 PM
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3. Penectomy and vaginoplasty is against Catholic teaching but not breast enlargement.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 11:04 PM
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4. Yup
glad those priorities make sense
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:19 AM
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6. It is a violation of Unruh.
There was a similar ruling involving a Catholic health care organization that didn't want to include birth control on their health care plan, in violation of California law, and one involving a fertility doctor (iirc, a fundamentalist Christian in that case) who refused to treat a lesbian couple who wanted to have a baby.

I'd like to see somebody litigate the birth control thing in Catholic hospitals, because that's a load of crap, they get state and federal funding to provide medical care after all.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:14 AM
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8. I think the EC issue at Catholic hospitals should be litigated
because for some people, the only hosptial available to them is a Catholic operated hospital. I'm not asking these hospitals to perform abortions - just provide EC to those who might have been raped. The sooner it is administered, the better chance of success.

But as for the transgender looking for breasts - I would just go find another hospital. Not everyone is closed-minded. I think this woman lived in the San Jose area so there should be a local hospital or outpatient surgery center that will perform the procedure. If the person happens to live in an area where only a Catholic Hospital is available (and we're talking the sticks here), I would make arrangements to find the next hospital available. Most cities usually have non-catholic options.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:26 AM
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11. Connecticut did require Catholic hospitals that get gov't funding
to not refuse certain medications based on religious grounds or else not get the funding.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:20 AM
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7. I kinda agree
why go to a Catholic hospital knowing that they won't do it, unless it is to make a point?

:shrug:



more cowbell Lynn
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:54 AM
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9. I agree with this--mechanical women should not be getting breast enlargements.
See Terminator 3.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 10:56 AM
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10. How can allowing religion to influence medical treatment be anything but malpractice.
Churches and hospitals need to get out of each other's business.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 11:36 AM
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12. Let's see... surgical enhancement that encourages others to commit a deadly sin (lust) is ok
but helping a transgender woman realize her true identity is not.
I never did understand the values of these Catholic hospitals.

I mean no offense to women who want to enhance their appearance... just making a point.
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 12:29 PM
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13. For me the jury is still out on whether there's a god or not
but I do firmly believe that if there is, s/he doesn't give a shit about this petty stuff. Wouldn't we all be happier and better off if we all followed one simple principle, I.e. we're all in this together, treat each other with dignity and respect. ? is that so fucking hard?
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 01:06 PM
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14. I'm sure we all remember Jesus' moving sermon ...
...the one where he condemns transgender surgery.
Good grief!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 03:06 PM
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15. Wasn't it he who said
"Suffer the flat-chested woman, may her bosom be amply fulfilled"
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