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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:14 AM
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Should I be worried about my son?
First of all, he is 5 1/2 years old, and just started kindergarten this year.

We were eating chicken for dinner (the expensive Whole Foods variety). We were talking about where food comes from generally, and he says "They had to kill the chicken right?"
"Yes," I reply.
"How did they kill it?" He asks. I don't really know how they kill chickens. I figure they probably decpitate them or something.
"Probably chop their heads off," I respond. Perhaps too graphic on my part. His response?
"Hahahahahaha" He laughs and giggles.

My wife and I give each other a somewhat surprised, alarmed look.

Eeeek!

He's actually very sensitive and kind and I'm not really worried about him, but some response eh? I figure in his mind that image fell into the slapstick type humor that 5 year olds find so funny, and not really comprehending it.

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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:16 AM
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1. Kids react in inappropriate ways sometimes
Especially if it is information that they really aren't ready for or can't quite handle.
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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:20 AM
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2. Nah, I wouldn't be worried
there's no telling what the image in his head was. It most certainly wasn't anything close to reality, as a 5-year-old would have no schema for a real bloody, headless chicken.

If he's kind towards animals normally, I wouldn't worry about it at all.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:21 AM
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3. I would be terrified. You obviously have a serial killer on your hands.
:kidding:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:21 AM
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4. Like an anvil falling on a cartoon coyote.
It's not real to a kid that hasn't been taught or exposed to it.

He probably shouldn't hear (at that age) how chickens are actually slaughtered. It's not decapitation. I'll leave it there.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:22 AM
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6. We used to tell BabyMidlo that the chicken trucks were taking
the chickens on a field trip. We figured she didn't need to know it was a one way field trip.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:32 AM
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8. I'm going to come stay with you folks for a few weeks.
We'll get BabyMidlo up to speed real quick.

I'll ask PETA to drop ship a couple hundred pounds of literature.

:evilgrin:
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:33 AM
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9. Oh, God!! If she thought for one minute that
those chickens were heading for a one way trip to the supermarket, she would have fainted dead away.

I'm trying to convert the family over to less meat and more veggies. Up to three meatless meals a week for dinner. It's hard work, though. Especially with BoyMidlo. He's not very interested in trying new foods.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:41 AM
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11. My daughter too
It's funny how differnt they are, but then my son has Asperger's Syndrome, and he looks at things very differently--much more dispassionately, and with less empathy. My daughter gets very upset at the idea of any harm coming to any animal, or person for that matter.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:31 AM
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7. Exactly.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:43 AM
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12. which is why my parents
dropped anvils on my head regularly when I was young. Believe you me, I never laughed at Wile E. Coyote.
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IzaSparrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:52 AM
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15. hahaha
:spray:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:53 AM
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16. they'd also paint
a picture of my bedroom door on the wall and tell me there was a pony in my room.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:32 PM
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27. The question there is... would you have continued to fall for that
if you hadn't gotten brain damage from the anvil dropping first? :P
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:28 AM
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59. Well, if they kept offering him the pony, then why wouldn't he?!?
He'd have to be a fool not to take them up on it.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:22 AM
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5. You're telling him you approve of decapitation by buying decapitated chickens.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 11:23 AM by LeftyMom
Your actions teach him that you don't expect a compassionate response, and he has to fill in with something else. Being five and a boy, he defaults to playground bravado.

If you expect a more compassionate response, model one.

(They usually bleed them out with their heads in funnels, or use gas.)
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:39 AM
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10. Yes, my response was crude
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 11:43 AM by NoBorders
But in the hundreds of interactions I have with my children day in and day out, I will occasionally fall short. On the other hand, I don't want my son to think that chickens grow on trees. Eventually we'll be taking our kids to the farm where most of our meat comes from. It's a local farm that uses humane methods and they invite customers to check out the operations.

If anyone happens to live in the Raleigh area, check 'em out:
http://www.freedomfarmdexters.com/

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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:06 PM
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30. What a cool farm!
Never seen them before, thanks for sharing. :hI;
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:15 PM
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33. My pleasure.
They have a stall at the Farmer's Market in Raleigh. Nice folks.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:30 PM
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22. Ah - the great miss superiority lectures again
Huzzah!

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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:56 PM
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28. You certainly are an expert on compassion.
When do you not lecture people? I mush have skipped that day.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:04 PM
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47. "You eat chicken, therefore you are a horrible parent"
niiiiiice.

logical disconnect much?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:06 AM
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57. Chicken decapitation is actually a nightly ritual in my house
Right before I read my older son "Goodnight Moon," we grab our cleavers, make our way out to the shed, select a couple of hens who aren't not pulling her weight, and chop! chop! Then we laugh as they scamper about the yard.

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:48 AM
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13. Kids usually aren't ready to understand death at that age.
I recall that my great grandmother died when I was around six years old, and I don't really think my reaction at the time was particularly... sensitive. In fact it was insensitive enough that I rather shudder to think about it now.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:50 AM
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14. Buy him a dog, sees how he treats it.
having a dog will also teach him to love animals. I guess a cat would also work..Hehe
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:20 PM
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19. He's scared of dogs
But he's fine with the cat. :-)
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:54 AM
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17. he is just a kid. kids that age find the strangest things funny, like pooping
and decapitation.
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Sock Puppet Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:09 PM
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23. exactly!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:25 PM
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26. have you watched tv recently?
it's not just kids. :O
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:17 PM
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34. Yeah, TV
Is not a great source of appropriate reactions to death and mayhem.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:27 AM
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58. Heh heh. You wrote "pooping"
That's high-larious!

:rofl:
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:58 AM
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18. No, I wouldn't worry about that
Not at that age, anyway. you probably remember seeing cartoons where characters are chopped into slices, and then reassemble on their own. Maybe he had a similar image. I would just chalk it up to his being 5 years old, unless this becomes a continuing trend.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:22 PM
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20. Thanks. I'm not going to worry.
Until he starts gleefully decapitating bugs. Then again, I think all boys do that too at some point too.
:think:
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:17 PM
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21. I thought they spiked them
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:21 PM
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24. My little sister had an equally vicious sense of humor when she was little
and she turned out... err... close to okay. :P
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:23 PM
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25. If he starts putting firecrackers in their mouths and lighting them...
then it's time to worry.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:03 PM
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29. Didn't you ever throw rocks at birds?
I did. And now I feed them.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:17 PM
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36. No, I used a wrist rocket
But I was a bad shot, and I don't do that anymore.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:08 PM
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40. I used to try to burn ants with magnifying glasses
And I still swat mosquitoes and flies. I'm probably a very bad Buddhist, but I don't like critters that spread disease.

Spiders get a pass, though. I think they're cool.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:49 PM
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31. When my mother died my then 4yo son kept running around saying
"Amma's dead. She's a goner. She's kicked the bucket."

I was very taken aback by this, but after a while I just figured it was the only way he could process it. His brother, older by two years, handled it differently and kept insisting it was his great grandmother and not his grandmother who died.

On a chicken note, my older kid loves chicken nuggets. Someone dumped a rooster and hen in a woodland preserve down the road from us a couple summers back and the birds ended up in our yard. He and I talked about whether or not having them around would make it hard for him to eat the nuggets anymore, and he said "Nah. As long as I don't know them..."

Kids are interesting, eh? :)
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:13 PM
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32. Kids are true 'out of the box' thinkers
I get a kick from them every day for this reason.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:17 PM
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35. When my five-year-old nephew was informed that my father had died
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 08:17 PM by rocknation
(after a long illness), he asked "Who shot him?"

:)
rocknation
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:58 PM
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42. oh my god.... I'm a horrible person.
I'm so sorry for you, but..... that's just really funny! Shit.... it's totally not ok to laugh, but that one got me. Kids are just nuts some times. At party this summer my friends' 8 or 9 year old son ran up behind my girlfriend and I (we used to babysit him, and he knows us really well) and said, "I didn't you know two were married!". This was because he found out we were sleeping in the same bed in our friend's house where the party was (because we were there from out of town). I still remember (and about the only thing I remember about my grandma's funeral) when I was about 3 going to my grand mother's funeral and some old woman lifting me up to look into the casket - what I remember is that I thought she looked like George Washington.... you know, white whig, painted rosy cheeks - I'm a little bit afraid that I told people as much.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:13 PM
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50. No, it WAS funny! My nephew's finishing college now
and we laugh about it to this day!

:headbang:
rocknation
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:01 AM
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55. I agree.
I actually thought it was kinda funny too.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:57 AM
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53. That speaks volumes, doesn't it? nt
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:27 PM
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37. Totally normal. You have several years of gross humor to look foward to
At his age, I think it's better to judge how he interacts with people and animals instead of what he finds humorous. Right now he's learning to ask questions without fear of punishment or judgement from his parents so I think you handled it very well.

If there are times when his slapstick humor goes too far for your comfort, just ask him the leading quesions needed for him to come to the conclusion on his own that XYZ is hurtful and/or sad.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:00 PM
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39. Yep.
That's pretty much how I see it. I want to be honest with him, but my response could have been a bit more, shall we say, edifying.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:29 PM
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38. he doesn't understand the concept
so it seems funny, death isn't something he understands and the idea of cutting a head off would sound funny to him.

I wouldn't worry about him unless he starts torturing animals, starting fires, and wetting the bed.

Well maybe a few things in between.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:39 PM
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41. Has he asked which piece is the head yet?
I'm still trying to figure that out.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:59 PM
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43. People used to tell big stories about Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, and Easter Bunny...
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 10:00 PM by HypnoToad
Why can't parents tell their children "No sonny, they've got it wrong. Chickens grow on trees and people love to pluck 'em off the branches."

On second thought, that might be deemed too traumatic too...
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:15 PM
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52. that sounds a lot more awful to me than just killing an animal.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:00 PM
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44. Christ, no, you shouldn't be worrying. He's a KID!
Redstone
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:01 PM
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45. see, the staccato sound of "chopped their heads off" is funny, content aside.
Like "Hoboken" or "kumquats".

Loves to eat them mousies,
Mousies what I loves to eat.
Bites they little heads off,
Nibble on they tiny feet.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:02 PM
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46. I think it's perfectly fine
At least he knew to ask if they had to kill it, and was able to make a connection between the bird and what he's eating - that's probably more important than him not thinking about it at all. I've always eaten meat, and I spent a lot of time growing up on a farm. I never wanted to see how the animals were killed though.... it was just gross - and I got mad when they had to sell of the bulls (it was a dairy farm) - they could have stayed and been my friends, which they kind of were, because we'd feed them and pet them.... but cows are really really dumb, so I don't care too much, and chickens make cows look like geniuses.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:05 PM
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48. start to worry when he begins burning garbage cans
and playing "war" with hurled "bricks."

your child is probably just fine . . .
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:11 PM
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49. He's a boy kind of normal really.
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Hellenic_Pagan Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:14 PM
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51. Dont worry
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 10:16 PM by Hellenic_Pagan
Its better that you and him dont know HOW it is done.

Trust me, my grandad had a farm. If its not part of your life, you are better off not knowing. Lets just say it makes animal sacrifice look like a Disney cartoon.

Knowing about that could make you be a vegetarian... if you like meat, its better to be ignorant.

And he probably has a cartoon idea of it, like other posters have said. Thats fine, and if he wants to know when he is older, and if you have the stomach for it, you guys can always go visit a farm.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 12:05 PM
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54. Chickens might need to worry
but not you :)

Seriously though, if he has that sort of curiosity see if you can find a local farm that raises and sells chickens and let him see how it's done. It's a good thing for everyone, and particularly for kids to learn, where their food comes from and how it gets to them.

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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:03 AM
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56. That's what we're going to do
I don't actually want him to be disconnected to how food gets to our table. And I want to understand good agricultural practices from bad one.
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