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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:45 PM
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Most Overrated Bands (we are looking for sacred cows here)
I'll start (no, not with Rush):

The Eagles :evilgrin:
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:47 PM
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1. donning flame suit
Metallica

:hide:
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:58 PM
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24. Great example, and I agree...
...They're a fine band with moments of greatness. But they're almost universally adored. Not just by fans (that's a given) but by critics, who often write about them as if they'd redefined rock or created an entire new and crucial genre of it. Though I've been a serious rock fans since the '70s, I was a latecomer to Metallica, and started listening to them in the mid-'90s largely because of the critics' gushings. I was underwhelmed. So yeah, malta blue, I agree.
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:10 PM
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53. Phew....
I am not a big rock fan, per se, but I have never cared for their music and have always been amazed at how people ooh and aaah over them. Thanks for not flaming me :hi:

Hopefully your response will set the tone....
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SouthoftheBorderPaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:48 PM
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2. Sting -nt
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:53 PM
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13. But you wouldn't say that about the Police, would you?
WOULD YOU? :cry:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:07 PM
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48. Jane's Addiction
but NOT The Police :hi:
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:09 PM
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51. Eh, Jane's Addiction was a very specific thing.
I don't think they were fantastic musicians (except Dave Navarro) but they did what they did and it was very enjoyable to me.

The Police are fucking awesome and we would have had to throw down. :hi:
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:31 PM
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92. Jane's in L.A. in the '80s, yeah...
...was a very specific thing. THEY WEREN'T OVERRATED. Seeing them in the clubs then, when you knew the hair-metal-moron-cats were playing up the street in spandex, and you had the feeling that Jane's was the most crucial thing in L.A. since X and the punk days, and that this band was destined for the Big Time, and that rock 'n' roll was otherwise quite possibly dead-- yeah, Jane's was something else. And they continued to be up to the first Lollopallooza, which they headlined.

The L.A. Weekly loved them. Overall the critics didn't-- read Trouser Press from that time. They didn't get rich or famous, hell Navarro had to marry that moron celebrity chick to get noticed.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:16 PM
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275. I miss Raji's
The Vine Subway station is there now. :hurts:


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SouthoftheBorderPaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:12 PM
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58. No, I just shelled out $200 for tickets
for their concert this summer. It was EXCELLENT. Sting was on. Great performer. Still, his solo stuff is tepid, IMHO.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:14 PM
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64. I went too, at Citizens Bank Park here in Philly.
Great freaking show. :)
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:48 PM
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3. Pink Floyd.
Rush, too.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:07 PM
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46. Excellent choices.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:34 PM
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96. I liked Pink Floyd up to and including the Final Cut
I don't care much for the David Gilmore Pink FLoyd Experience tribute band. I can see how folks don't like them though.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:16 AM
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223. Hear, hear!
The post-Final Cut stuff doesn't do it for me.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:32 PM
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152. I'd say MOST Pink Floyd, but not all
The first album (piper at the gates of dawn) is a great work, and painfully underrated. I think they were good for a few albums and singles after that, but it all goes downhill starting with "the valley".
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:07 AM
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200. I got totally sick of hearing them on the radio.
I got sick of Dark SIde of the Moon and The Wall. Overplayed.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:24 AM
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231. I completely agree
I remember telling friends of mine in college that I never wanted to hear Dark Side of the Moon ever again- they looked at me like I was crazy. Tons of what they do - what they're popular for - is overrated, but I think some of their best stuff is ignored because of that. I have mixed feelings about them as a band.... I can't imagine ever listening to the wall or dark side of the moon again, but some of the earlier stuff I probably will. Hell, I'd maybe even buy some of it on CD (I think most pink floyd I have is on vinyl or cassettes...)
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:41 AM
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318. If you play guitar you learn to appreciate Pink Floyd and Rush
But I see how they would have to try several times to aqcuire taste for Pink Floyd. But once you like it you really like it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:48 PM
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4. U2
The Doors
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:56 PM
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19. Hmmm, 3 U2s in the span of a minute....
:shrug:
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:05 PM
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38. are you running a stopwatch on this thread or something?
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:14 PM
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63. lol yeah, 2 refs to time is unusual. But when I saw "Rush" pop up, I thought of DuSt range
right away. :rofl:
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:33 PM
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153. because U2 is possibly the worst band ever
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:49 PM
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255. Blasphemer!
Even in their awkward teenagers phase, U2 was better than any of the shit on the radio today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4CZBrCXiVw
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:40 PM
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291. not true.... perhaps you were hypnotized by the sun glasses
There's a south park episode which will tell you all you need to know about Bono. ..... and don't try telling me that Bono isn't U2. Used toilet paper isn't pizza, but if it was one of the toppings on a pizza, it would still ruin the pizza.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:19 AM
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306. South Park sometimes gets it wrong
That episode was one of them. The Al Gore episode was another.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:00 AM
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312. Al Gore isn't a one dimensional character
That Al Gore south park episode was an important public service. It let us know that Mr. Gore isn't just this straight laced environmental activists who gives slide shows. He also goes hunting around in caves with children, trying to find and kill manbearpig. It makes him more human.

Bono, on the other hand, is a one dimensional character. At every chance, he is a hypocritical piece of crap.
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:11 AM
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367. agreed
early U2 was the shit.
to bad they suck now.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:48 PM
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Guns N Roses
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:19 PM
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277. They had a shining moment of brilliance and then . . .
Nada.

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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:35 AM
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363. I'll second that one.
Along with all the hair bands of the 80s.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:48 PM
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5. The Who
:hide:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:02 PM
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31. I'm pouring the kerosene now.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:38 PM
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104. No. The Who weren't overrated. Sorry...
...If you know the history of rock, from the 1890s to today, and you look at the Who's position in it, based on critical and popular acclaim today, in 2008, you'll have to agree that the Who are rated almost exactly where they should be, erring on the underrated.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:58 PM
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162. That's just fucking wrong!
:smile:
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:26 PM
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249. Okay. I respect your opinion...
...and you might even be able to convince me I'm wrong. Hell, I may even BE wrong. But I still think I'm right!

I WILL say that The Who have disappointed me, while also undermining their relevance as a band perceived to be challenging the conventions of their time, by selling so many of their songs to mainstream T.V. shows and commercials. I just saw a new ad the other night using music from "Tommy." Whether or not that's relevant to a discussion of their over-ratedness, I don't know. But it bugs me.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:32 PM
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267. Glad to see that I found one of those 'Sacred Cows'
:evilgrin:
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:48 PM
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6. U2
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:49 PM
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7. U-2
:hide:

(for good measure, Pearl Jam) :yoiks:
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:59 PM
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163. Love both, particularly U2
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:08 AM
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340. Pearl Jam
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:50 PM
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8. Rush
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:55 PM
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16. MrCoffee's favorite band
Whoever it is. They suck.



Well, unless it's Radiohead. Obviously they don't suck. But any of MrCoffee's other favorite bands, oh yeah, they inhabit the cellar below the bottom feeders on the ass of the Rock World.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:57 PM
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22. says the proud owner of the collected works of Hall and Oates
Huey Lewis and the News are WAY better than Hall and Oates.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:01 PM
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27. WHAT?
LEAVE NOW. *points shaking finger*
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM
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43. you heard me. Huey Lewis & the News > Hall and Oates
neener.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:10 PM
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52. Um.
Okay. Listen to "She's Gone" RIGHT THE FUCK NOW and then get back on this thread and tell me that NOVELTY whatever-the-hell Huey Lewis was is better than MY DARLING HOMETOWN BOYS.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:11 PM
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56. remember when you were defending the musical stylings of HALL AND FUCKING OATES?
:rofl:
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:14 PM
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65. LOL
SHUT UP. :rofl:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:13 PM
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60. i was gonna say, She's Gone is terrific
but that was their A material...which was shall we say...very limited.

HT to "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)"
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:15 PM
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67. "Rich Girl" doesn't suck either.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:16 PM by janesez
And I love "Sara Smile".
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:23 PM
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82. Good point. Pretty much a wasteland after the first 2 albums
but "No Can Do" is pretty good.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:39 PM
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108. "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)" is my favorite "bad 80s" song.
It's good in its badness and lameness, you know?

:P
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:42 PM
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112. Yes it is. How many white guy duos had a #1 R& B song
that was only Top 10 on the Pop Chart?

they were onto something, briefly.
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:28 PM
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150. Ummm... it went to #1 on the pop charts, too.
Sorry. Pop music nerd here. :blush:
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:42 AM
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195. Hall and Oates are awesome
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 01:44 AM by last_texas_dem
Honestly, I'm series!!!! haha But really, I am. I actually think they're a quite underrated band. People think of their overplayed (and yet still very catchy) "rock 'n soul" eighties stuff with the hopelessly cheesy music videos accompanying them, which I think pretty much destroys any "cred" they might otherwise be given. And honestly, I like a lot of that material, too, but I really like the albums they did in the seventies before they had found a particularly successful sound. Whole Oats is a cool, folksy debut; Abandoned Luncheonette (featuring "She's Gone") is an awesome rock-R and B album. War Babies is actually a pretty good stab at an experimental rock album, with Todd Rundgren producing and playing guitar on some tracks. Their self-titled is more of a "Philly soul" thing but really cool, and the albums that followed, including Bigger Than Both of Us, Beauty on a Back Street, and Along the Red Ledge are all over the place musically and are very creative and interesting albums, IMHO. They mix in the singles with plenty of weirdness, and try everything from seventies soul to hard rock to orchestrated pop-rock to some interesting attempts at "punk"ish music on the last one.

(Yeah, I know no one's going to take this post seriously or give the guys a chance, but hey, I have to try my best. Hall and Oates are my boys.)
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:09 AM
Response to Reply #195
201. "Family Man" is good too!
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:18 PM
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247. "She's Gone" is near perfect, but "Family Man" is almost shitty enough to cancel it out
Nonetheless, I really enjoy some of their stuff. In general their legit R&B stuff is overshadowed by their 1980's cheese, so if anything I would say they are underrated and their rep is misleading.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #52
164. That's right!! Philly PRIDE!
Hall & Oates KICK ACE
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:15 AM
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342. Hall & Oates NOT overrated.
I agree.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #43
57. i think that's wrong, but even if right, it's not saying much is it?
:shrug:
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #43
103. No way. Hall and Oates can be at least head-bobbing.
Huey Lewis & the News is anemic.

:P :P
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:01 PM
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29. Wow. It took a full 5 minutes.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM
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45. But Rush was never overrated...
...They had hard-core fans who saw them through the early, tough days (which lasted for years), and now continue to support them, though it's been ages since they had a critically acclaimed or big-selling album or song. Rush had some years there when they were selling out arenas and had some radio hits, but critics have often been entirely dismissive of the band.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:17 PM
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127. Heretic!
you're dead to me now!
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #127
158. I know.
I considered hunting him down and shaving all his hair off (that's right--ALL his hair) and then mocking him. But then I hearken back to the words of the song Witch Hunt, and I realize the error of my ways. So instead, I just burn him in effigy.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:22 AM
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240. YES!
ABSOLUTE SHIT!
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:50 PM
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9. Pearl Jam
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:53 PM
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14. welcome to my ignore list
:wtf: are you talking about? Pearl Jam is the awesome.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:57 PM
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21. you people with the same avatar always seem like the same people to me
so i find it funny when one says, "you are on ignore"
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:27 PM
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87. SECONDED!
They're like Led Zeppelin, except without the hooks, cool guitar solos, and songs about elves and shagging.

IOW, boring.
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:43 PM
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270. Hey you just described Led Zeppelin--except the parts about hooks
or cool guitar solos.

Nahhh, I'm being a little harsh, Zep was in fact pretty hook-y, but Jimmy Page always just sounded like some drunken bar guitar player when he started soloing.

Here's a question though, would Dio ever have figured out what he liked to write about if not for Led Zeppelin singin' 'bout elves? ;)
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:15 AM
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205. Pearl Jam
:thumbsdown:
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:13 AM
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302. Pearl Jam had some ok songs
but Eddie Vedder has been atrocious of late
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:51 PM
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10. Led Zeppelin
12-bar blooze played by skinny white English dudes at high volume does not a legend make.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:03 PM
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35. Seconded.
Zep's a great band, but I do think they're maybe a teeny bit too high up in the rock-god pantheon.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:14 PM
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62. Compared to whom, Hunter? Warren Zevon?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:22 PM
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80. Actually, I'd say Warren Zevon is underrated...
since most people only know him for that lame one-off hit "Werewolves of London."

As for Hunter, I wouldn't rate him at all. Aside from a writing credit on one of Zevon's songs, why even have him in the discussion?

Anyway, as to the question, "Compared to whom?" I think that just within the category of 1970s British blues-based hard rock bands, you could find some that are way underrated. John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, the New Yardbirds and the pre-Buckingham-and-Nicks lineup of Fleedwood Mac, to name a few that people are somewhat familiar with.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #80
119. The thread is "overrated," not "underrated"...
...I had the pleasure of meeting Zevon, in the company of Dr. Thompson, which is why I riffed on your icon. Anyway, we're off the fucking point, yeah?

Right. There's no doubt that Mayall, Pete Green, Jeremy Spenser, the Children of God and Stevie Nicks made some great bloooz music, but what's that to do with this thread? If you want me to acknowledge that Mayall or Green are more relevant to rock history and substance than Jimmy Page is, then no, I won't do that.

Why would I?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #119
121. Well, we're arguing two different things. You're arguing "place in rock history"...
I'm arguing from a pure qualitative stance.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #121
129. Hello? I don't give a shit about "rock history"!
...I was just using that term to create a context for the discussion! Which is "Overrated Bands," which is by definition quantitative (undeserved praise, media profile, and record sales) versus qualitative (objective quality, social impact, historical relevance and merit, let's say).

We seem to have left the point of this far, far behind and so I'll let it go. Whatever. But I have to respond when someone informs me that I'm "arguing 'place in rock history.'" Because why would I ever be dense, or clairvoyent, enough to do THAT?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #129
141. I think undeserved highly rated bands are the topic here
And your take on it was what I was going for (not that I have any say in this, I'm just the OP!).

In simple form, it's basically a band that is not as good as its hype/reputation.

That said, for example, Journey isn't good, but not many people think of them as good anyway...so they don't fit.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #141
148. So, lemme see if I have you straight...
...Journey isn't, for example, "good"-- but that's your totally subjective definition of the word "good" as it pertains to rock bands. Okay. But also, "not many people think of them as good anyway... so they don't fit." And yet Journey was one of the biggest rock bands of the '80s! They sold out arenas! Often! In towns right near where you were, CreekDog! They sold multi-million platinum records and were on the MTV and all that! And they have a devoted passionate following to this day! So how can you say that "not many people think of them as good"? Do you mean that all those Journey fans who originally liked them are dead now? That their current fans don't count because they are somehow beneath you? And, since by your definition "over-rated" involves "reputation," which I assume involves, to your mind, critical takes on the bands in question, how can you say Journey was overrated when the vast majority of the critics never took the band seriously AT ALL? EVER?

"OP" though you may be-- and justly proud of your title, I shouldn't wonder-- I suggest that an "OP" should be able to define the terms of his /her "OP."

By the way, it's unwise to separate "hype" and "reputation" by a mere "/" unless you really are of the opinion that they mean practically the same thing.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #148
160. Well, as the OP, my terms are that you not think about yours or my answer quite that hard
:rofl:

I was NOT using Journey as an example of a band to go on this thread. Not because they are good, but because they are, well, they are okay.

I didn't want this to be a thread about how Britney sold millions of albums and how she isn't as good as her sales indicate. Duh, we knew that already! Ditto for Journey -though they are better than her.

I live for someone to say, "Dylan sucks" or that there are like 4 mentions of U2
LOL. Just kind of interesting I think.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #141
250. CreekDog, I didn't mean to be so cranky last night...
...But I was. The thread topic struck a nerve with me. I'm not usually so contentious.

Peace,
Westegg
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #250
257. I wasn't mad at you or the other guy
It was prefaced with "sacred cows" so it was bound to happen. :pals:

I did make one guy really mad though and I don't know how. It was over something I said about Journey. Journey! :shrug: :rofl:

Oops, I just made him madder because Journey wasn't the point. :hide:
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #129
228. What the fuck crawled up your ass and died?
You used the term, I didn't. I don't know why you'd be dense enough to do that, but you did it. Don;t come screaming back at me when I'm just talking about the points that you yourself have raised.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #228
238. Please save your melodrama for arguing on the Star Trek forums
Lighten up, everybody else on this thread seems to be. :pals:

:hi:
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #238
241. My thoughts exactly.
Only, you know, about the guy I was responding to.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #241
256. yeah, well I didn't drop the F bomb and suggest something crawled...
well, I don't need to remind you.

kind of over the top reaction.

relax. :toast:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:01 AM
Response to Reply #129
336. as the saying goes,
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 05:03 AM by quantessd
everyone has one, and everyone thinks theirs stinks less than everyone elses'.

edit spelling.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #80
204. The New Yardbirds? Aren't they the same band as Led Zeppelin?
I thought "The New Yardbirds" was the name given to Page's new group after the Yardbirds dissolved - consisting also of Plant, Jones and Bonham.

Is there another "New Yardbirds" I don't know about?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #204
229. Sorry. Meant Yardbirds, typed New Yardbirds because the conversation at hand was Zep.
Thank you for pointing that out.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:00 AM
Response to Reply #229
308. Cool. Yes, all 60s Yardbirds lineups were awesome.
Inclduding the "New Yardbirds". :-)
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #35
93. Thirded.
Good? Yes. Great? I don't think so.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:39 PM
Original message
Hell, I'll even say they're great.
Zep's a great band, just not as great as everyone makes them out to be.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #10
59. Who writes your cliches?
...And do you paste the same comment about the Faces and the Stones into the appropriate slots? Also: what does race have to do with overrated bands?
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #59
71. Nobody. Zep is just overrated, is all.
And they're skinny white English guys who made a shitload of money at the expense of many old black blues players (who they DID NOT CREDIT on their records).

Oh, and they sucked too, but that's JMHO.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #71
120. Can't argue with that.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:32 AM
Response to Reply #71
215. Jimmy Page is not so skinny any longer...not even the blackest magic...
is ever gonna get him into 28 inch waist trousers again :)
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #215
246. Yep! Good one. He's downright portly, almost....
...But the man can still rock at 64.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #59
100. As far as that goes, what about weight?
"Also: what does race have to do with overrated bands?"

As far as that goes, what about weight-- he called them skinny in addition to weight... why not focus on the weight aspect too (to maintain intellectual consistency and all, you know)
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #100
124. "Intellectual consistency"? Say what?
...Since when have the greatest "intellectual" minds of any age been considered consistent? And vice-versa? As for weight, and Led Zeppelin? There was in that band one skinny guy, for whom keeping weight on was a problem. There was another guy, prone to corpulence, for whom keeping weight OFF became a problem, in time. The other two were had quite normal, even enviable, physiques.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #124
128. Sorry. I keep forgetting that intellectual consistency is a Bad Thing
Sorry. I keep forgetting that intellectual consistency is a Bad Thing when it denies an actual bullshit comment.

He said "skinny". He said "white". You only concentrated on the "white" and inferred an insult; but insults are an odd thing-- they can be found anywhere if you look hard enough for them, even in places where they simply don't exists.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #128
136. You want to be considered an intellectual, it seems...
Fair enough. I assume you are young. Wanting to be thought of as intelligent is not inconsistent with the thing itself.

I can only say that the first two-thirds of your post are nonsensical, and as to the last third, Jerry Gracia said it far better about 33 years ago, backwards and in high heels.

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:24 AM
Response to Reply #59
343. Do you like the Small Faces?
I love them & think they are underrated. Disclaimer: I'm only 37.
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #10
78. you beat me to it! knew i saw this thread too late nt
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #10
202. Led Zep is guilty of severe distortion abuse, like lots of other bands.
When the Beatles started using distortion it was cool, but it soon turned into total boredom.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #202
261. The Velvets used distortion to distraction....
...which is why I love them. Same with Hendrix. It was a comment, then, on the machines of the world and it's still a relevant comment today. The day we forget, or conquer, analog feedback is the day we, as a race, are doomed.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #202
296. Heretic! There is no sunch thing as distortion abuse...
take my word for it
But bear in mind, I am a man who once bought a white noise generator, not as a sleep aid, but as something to run into several distortion pedals
at once
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:51 PM
Response to Original message
11. Post 1974 Rolling Stones
Yuk
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. 2nd along with a Drug-free Aerosmith
:D
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #15
32. Oh yeah
Totally agree.

"PINK is my favorite color, PINK"-- blah blah blah


blech:puke:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #15
145. Aerosmith - yes!
God every time I hear that song they did for Armageddon, it makes my blood boil!
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riverdale Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #145
175. Aerosmith is like two different bands: before and after Alicia Silverstone
You have to listen to the old Aerosmith, back when they were all still on drugs, right up until Done With Mirrors. Everything after that goes downhill fast.

Overrated sacred cows: The Beach Boys
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #175
264. Just leave right now!
Beach Boys?

:grr:
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #175
278. Blasphemer!
Calling the Beach Boys overrated. Brian Wilson was a genius. Who out there today can do harmonies as layered as them?

I'll let that one slide, because somebody that would make that statement must be either drunk or on heavy prescription medication. ;-)
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:23 AM
Response to Reply #11
211. As a live band, nothing matches the Mick Taylor era
But as far as their studio work goes, Some Girls was a masterpiece. (Even better if you hear the bootlegs with the whole songs)
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #211
315. Even today the Stones put on a great show.
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 09:09 AM by Radical Activist
Mic Jagger is a great performer.
VooDoo Lounge was a good album too.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:57 AM
Response to Reply #211
334. Skittles trivia:
in my life I only ever wrote two fan letters - one to Miss Kitty and one to Mick Taylor. YES INDEED!!!
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:52 PM
Response to Original message
12. As a SacredCow... I take offense!
Nah, not really....

But my vote goes to Creed. They didn't have the longevity of most others posted already, but I never understood the draw. Mediocrity gone amuk!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:56 PM
Response to Original message
17. I have opinions on this issue.
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. Indignant response to gored cow
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 03:58 PM by temeah
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #23
42. Embarrassment and huffy retort that I may later regret.
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #42
68. Compliment on post invoking name of 20th century teutonic leader
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #68
88. Friendly and hopeful response to compliment involving lowering of personal defenses.
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #88
135. Obligatory "hug", "pal", and "loveya" smilies, followed by a "hi"
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #135
265. Thank you, now back to the flamefest!
:hi:
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #265
268. I remain neutral and impartial until somebody gores MY sacred cow, and then I'm ALL IN!
:mad:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #135
285. Caustic flame at perceived insincerity.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:56 PM
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18. The Doors
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 03:57 PM
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20. Dave Matthews
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #20
39. Second
WTF?
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #20
165. totally
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 AM
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344. A lot of people genuinely love Dave Matthews
I don't
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #20
364. Absolutely.
nt
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:00 PM
Response to Original message
25. hehe Nobody will list MY favorite band!
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #25
40. Spinal T--
no, I can't do it. It's just not right...
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #40
55. Doood....
Throwing the lads under the bus???? :shrug:
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #55
116. Nope...
couldn't do it. I can't say it...not even in jest. It just wouldn't be right.
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #116
134. Okay, well
watch the, watch the language, you’re paying homage to the Kings!

;)
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:00 PM
Response to Original message
26. Leonard Skinner
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:04 PM by CreekDog
Freebird! :wtf:
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #26
33. Nice touch with the added jab of misspelling!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #26
182. ...
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 12:27 AM by Jamastiene
I'm clicking the buddy icon next to your name.

You beat me to it. :patriot:

:D
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:00 AM
Response to Reply #26
220. I concur
wholeheartedly
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #26
324. I thought his first name was Walter?
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:01 PM
Response to Original message
28. Somebody has to say it...
...The Beatles.

There, I said it. :evilgrin:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. did you say it just for the reaction, or did you mean it?
preemptive: :spank:
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #30
50. I mean it.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:09 PM by deucemagnet
I hate, hate, hate the goddamn Beatles. I can't understand why people gush over them. Yes, Beatles fans, I understand how innovative they were historically. I just wish they didn't have to suck so much while being innovative.

edit: typo
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #50
133. That's interesting. For perspective, please
list what bands you appreciate so that we can rip the hell out of the horseshit drivel see from where you are coming. :hi:
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #133
139. I'm not going to play the oh-yeah-well-your-taste-sucks game.
I like a broad range of music from jazz to bluegrass to celtic to punk, but the Beatles never appealed to me, and I feel they get many more accolades than they deserve. If you're an avid Beatles fan, that's great. I'm glad it brings you pleasure, but I just don't share your tastes. :hi:
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quip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #139
142. Actually, I was just going for the cheap strike-through laugh
The Beatles were fine with me, and so is your non-obsession with them. Just being snarky! :hi:
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #50
154. name one band that's better than the beatles - ever
The Clash don't count, because they were better than music.
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #154
167. How about damn near every other band - ever.
Like I said above, I'm not going to play the oh-yeah-well-your-taste-sucks game. I don't like the Beatles. I never liked them. Nothing you can say, no argument you can make, no disparaging remark about my taste in music can make me enjoy a Beatles song -- nay, even endure a Beatles song without longing for a pair of knitting needles to pierce my eardrums and end the agony. I just don't like the Beatles, I don't see why people fawn over them, and in my opinion, they are a ridiculously overrated band who garnered accolades simply by being in the right place at the right time.

Just my $0.02, YMMV, feel free to enjoy the Beatles, but please do it out of my earshot. </rant>
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #167
169. it has nothing to do with taste - just the facts (dragnet style)
Either you like the beatles, or you hate music (unless you're the ghost of Glenn Gould - he gets a pass).
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #169
170. Sorry, but you can't make an objective statement like that about music.
It is subjective, and it has everything to do with one's taste. I used to have this same argument with eyepaddle over and over again, where I'd say that although Joe Satriani is a technically talented guitarist, his music consisted of unlistenable, interminable fret-wankery. We'd go back and forth for a while, and then he'd leave the keyboard still liking Satriani, and I'd leave the keyboard still not liking him. It's a pointless battle. I _do_ like music, and I _do not_ like the Beatles, and whether you agree or not, that's the way it is.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:45 PM
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171. it has little to do with what you like
maybe you just like shit, and that's cool. It's not subjective. If music were subjective, how did I come about these degrees I have in music from accredited institutions? Do you think people just walk into the university, say what they like and get a degree? For Chris'ake! I get paid to do research in music. Do you think I just pop in CD's and give them thumbs up or down, tally the results and hand that in as research? Saying "I like it" isn't an argument. There are social, cultural and political reasons people like the music they do, and some of it has to do with education. That is, people have to have some background knowledge of a subject to understand nuances of it (for example, you couldn't say you liked or didn't like the 'monopoly' board game if you didn't understand the rules or even know what a board game is).
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deucemagnet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #171
173. As I said before, I've had these arguments before, and they go nowhere.
If you think I listen to shit just because I don't like one band, I find that to be an insulting broad-brush statement, but fine. As I said in my first post, I just don't like the Beatles, period. Nothings going to change that, even if you express your professional opinion about the skill and prowess of Paul McCartney for ten pages. I've had this argument too many times, it's become tiresome, and I'm done with it. Peace.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #173
174. I give up
I'm glad you like the shitty music that you like and am saddened that you dislike truly great music. Your loss.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 06:55 AM
Response to Reply #174
309. Yep...since he mentioned "bluegrass" as one of his influences...
...let him go listen to some Homer & Jethro (maybe even "Ooh, That's Corny!") while opining about how much better that is than any Beatles song ever recorded. :crazy:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:00 AM
Response to Reply #174
345. Well, I think the Beatles are overrated, too.
In my subjective view, they are great. However, I would like them even more if I hadn't already heard each of their albums 5 thousand times, and if overzealous Beatles fans weren't so overprotective of their sacred cow. The Beatles are really great, in my subjective opinion. The Beatles sound especially nice when your ears have had a rest from them.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:27 AM
Response to Reply #171
212. Thank you for that.
I have lots of musical education, starting with classical, and going on to jazz, folk and rock.
I was an orchestra nerd. Studied two instruments for years, and was playing heavy orchestral repertoire when I was a high school kid (Firebird Suite, Shostakovich's Fifth, Also Sprach Zarathustra, Grand Canyon Suite, also sang in the Mozart Requiem at music camp) and also in college.

When I was a senior in high school, and I was playing first fiddle, our high school played the finale of the New World Symphony by Dvorak, at University Interscholastic League competition. We picked that b/c we had a killer french horn section. For our overture, we did the prelude to Act III of Lohengrin, and for our string orchestra number we did the waltz from the Tchaikovsky Serenade in C major. We made on A on all three pieces. That's what I was doing when I was 16. Playing the piano too.

So I understand about being educated about structure, melody, harmony, orchestration and that sort of thing, although I don't have a music degree.

I can't stand those big hair spandex-wearing 70s bands and I completely gave up on rock music when the Police broke up in '83.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #212
226. I still like some of the spandex-wearing 70s bands
David Bowie, for instance, I like, and T-Rex. It's just about liking things for what they are. First, I think you have to know what they are (a band put together by producers is different from one started in a garage, for instance), and when and where they're coming from. For instance, I like a lot of classical music, but not much neo-classical music, because of where it's coming from historically, politically, financially, etc.

I can understand that someone might not like some great music, but I wish people would stop and think about why they like or don't like things. I think most of the music that we like is conditioned by our social situation - music is a part of fashion and a projection of one's feelings about their place in the world. I would accept someone saying they didn't like The Beatles because:

1. While, lyrically, they tackled some social issues, much of what was going on politically at the time was ignored by them
2. (an extension of #1) some of their lyrics that just seem like boy/girl love are misogynistic, as are many rock lyrics
3. they were only able to have the money to make their studio albums from playing shows. By ceasing performing, they had abandoned their most loyal fans and became elitist.
4. While experimenters to some extent, they always played it safe to sell records, as compared to Pink Floyd, Jimi Hendrix, the velvet underground and other artists from the time (and that's only in pop music - no counting Cage, Henri, Stockhausen, etc.)

Now, I don't agree with any of those things, but I could deal with them and have a discussion. I don't like, "I don't like it".
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #226
284. stopping live concerts was not being elitist.
it was A)Not being able to hear themselves because of the screaming;
B)Being afraid of being killed, injured or literally torn to shreds because of the out-of-control crowds. The security needed was insane.

I also don't think they played it safe to sell records -- they had plenty of money and didn't need to play it safe to sell records. They got quite experimental, if you read George Martin's "ALL YOU NEED IS EARS". They really were innovative with tape loops, and various other things that were quite difficult to do before the digital age.

John loved touring and really missed it, even though he got sick before he went on stage. He loved the adrenaline rush.


And I wouldn't call David Bowie a "spandex wearing big haired band". I don't think he's in that category. I was thinking of Aerosmith, Journey, Styx, Rush, and heavy metal types like AC/DC and such. Screaming and distortion guitar -- yuck.

I think he's doing great stuff now, and hasn't stopped experimenting and changing. I have a copy of "REALITY" which is fairly recent, and I think it's a fabulous CD.


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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #284
289. I don't agree with those criticisms either
I was just playing devil's advocate - those are (as you've demonstrated) things that can spark debate, where-as "i don't like it - it's sucky", isn't.

David Bowie did wear spandex and have big hair... I just think his music is so good that that isn't what defined/defines him. His last few albums are OK, but I only think because he's gone back to doing more straight-ahead rock and roll. Some of his stuff from the mid-80's through the 90's was quite awful though.

I'm ok with screaming and distorted guitar, if it's done well. I think AC/DC and Rush both had their moments (both also totally suck now), but I'll agree that Aerosmith and Journey are complete garbage.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #28
295. Oh no, you did not just say that!
:nuke:

:evilgrin:
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:15 AM
Response to Reply #28
341. I agree about 90% of the time
Lennon influence saves the Beatles otherwize I prolly wouldnt listen to em.

:hi:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:03 PM
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34. Nirva... just kidding: Wings
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Wings is a rated band?
who knew?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. you're right
i have to edit that i think.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:04 PM
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37. Nirvana
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM by trogdor
Whine. Whine and cry. Whine and cry. I'm a slash my wrist and cry. Whine and cry....

That shit killed rock and roll, and we still have to hear that whiny-ass shit from a hundred even less-talented bands on the radio. May Kurt Kobain rot in Hell.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #37
107. Nirvana killed rock and roll?
not only have I seen some great post-Nirvana rock, but I also remember some awful hair metal stabbing rock and roll in the face before Nirvana came around. Poison? I could agree they killed rock, or at least sent it to the hospital.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #107
123. Some people think
that rock should restrict its lyrical content to themes of partying, fucking and muscle cars. Oh, and ballads about life on the road. To such individuals, actual emotive content is scary.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #123
193. Self-delete.
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 01:38 AM by BlueIris
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eyepaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #107
271. I used to say that Rock and Roll is dead--and Bon Jovi killed it.
When "Heavy Metal" became popular with upscale subburbanite teenage girls, that was pretty much it. If we look at completely sappy hair metal strted to become popular I think we really have to blame Motley Crue especially "Home Sweet Home."

The late 80s were pretty tough on me--I'd spent my early teen years as a total metalhead, and really wanted heavy metal to become more popular, then when it did, oh god,the results were TERRIBLE. I think that was when I learned to be careful what I wished for.

In case my avatar makes you wonder, I listen to a wide (and seemingly randowm) selection of music, which I well know few other people want to hear--that's why I listen to it in my car!
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riverdale Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #271
292. BRITISH STEEL
I always loved the Crue, but to me Home Sweet Home was one to fast forward on ... until I saw them in concert, and Tommy Lee got up there on the pink piano to play home sweet home, they had the laser lights going ... i dunno since then i'm ok with it
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:05 AM
Response to Reply #271
339. lol, I saw Bon Jovi on SNL the other night
their music is so freaking bland and unremarkable - their appeal completely mystifies me. Duran Duran too.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #339
350. You just said Duran Duran is overrated!
How dare you! :spank:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #350
352. um
because they are?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #352
357. Come on. Everyone knows that is not a suitable answer.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 03:34 AM by quantessd
Because you aren't defending your position, I will take that as a sign that you are backing down.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #37
138. anything that killed the metal years for a while is awesome in my book
those mulleted acid wash guys never got over it and bitch about Kurt to this day
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #37
155. have to disagree
I really hated them at the time, but in retrospect I can see that they were the best band of that short era. Led Zeppelin killed rock and roll decades earlier.... Nirvana did a lot of good - they were certainly a lot better than whitesnake or poison or whatever else was popular just before they emerged as the new thing.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:53 AM
Response to Reply #37
332. I did not get their appeal either
not then, not now
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:24 AM
Response to Reply #37
347. Nirvana, and similar "grunge" rock was a welcome antidote to tiresome LA "hair " rock.
The people wanted a refreshing change! I sure did.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #347
353. change is not always good
sometimes it's equal or worse
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:23 AM
Response to Reply #353
356. Wouldn't you have eventually been bored of wearing pink spandex?
Let's face it, someone had to put a stop to "girls, girls, girls, cocaine, fast cars, big hair, !!!!1! guitar solo !!!1!!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #356
358. I never fall for fads
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 07:15 AM by Skittles
N E V E R - not even Nirvana
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #358
359. That's cool. Hey, Skittles---
it's just a difference of opinion, and I won't hold that against anyone.
:hi:
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:06 PM
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44. Pavement
Yawn, and additionally a hearty "meh".
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:07 PM
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47. Teh yay.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. word
:thumbsup:
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:14 AM
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303. You're dead to me
:cry:
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:14 AM
Response to Reply #44
346. Pavement NOT overrated.
They're good, they're there for the listening, and easily avoidable if you don't like them.
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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:10 PM
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54. My Morning Jacket
So you guys like Southern Rock AND Neil Young?! WOW!!! 'Cos nobody has EEEVER been influenced by those 2 sounds before. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm interrupting another guitar-noodling session that some frat guy will call "epic."
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Throd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:14 PM
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61. Bruce Springsteen
High school creative writing prose in a meathead wrapper
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #61
70. Oh man. What hell hath I unleashed?!
Although I don't think he is overrated.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #61
75. I strongly disagree.
In fact, that "meathead" persona developed in the media is wholly inaccurate, I think. He's a terrific songwriter and an underrated musician.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #61
99. Fuckin A.
I can't stand his voice. Mumblemumblemoanmoanmoan. Blech!
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #61
156. yeah, he sucks
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #61
166. I love Bruce.
Hated him when I was younger though
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:35 AM
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192. oh yeah, he sucks
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #61
252. Yep.
one word: mediocre
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #61
354. awesome always
yes INDEED
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:15 PM
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66. The Kinks
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:17 AM
Response to Reply #66
206. Guess you don't know about their good songs.
All of "Preservation Act II" is a much better rock opera than Tommy, and I'm a Who fan.
"Preservation Act I" is pretty good too. Those are not to be confused with the earlier "Village Green Preservation Society".

Preservation Act II has lots of variety in musical styles, better plot and so forth than Tommy.

"Waterloo Sunset" is beautiful. So is "Celluloid Heroes", to mention two of their better known songs. Yes, they invented power-chord rock, but they later did some very innovative and epic stuff. Ray Davies can write lyrics like an epic poem.



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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #66
245. Wrong
You had me with The Eagles, (Don Henley Must Die/Don't let him get back together with Glen Frey) but you lost me with The Kinks. Village Green, Muswell Hillbillies, Lola versus Powerman and the the Moneygoround ... those are all essential records.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #245
263. Okay, I will look into this
I'm not an authority on anything. :rofl:
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:16 PM
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69. The Grateful Dead
seriously. nothing special.

Phish also deserves a mention.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #69
157. huh?
Have you ever listened to the grateful dead? Do you know anything about music?
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #157
179. He said sacred cows
Yes, I have listened to the Dead. They play them quite frequently at my place of employ, thanks for asking.

I do not "get" the jam band thing...it's not difficult, special, magical, or creative to go off and do whatever you want willy-nilly at set-points. It's not even truly improvisational (in the sense of, say, Thelonious Monk.) where every improvisation is unique, special, a one-off spark of imagination never to be repeated again. (More impressive in that every Monk improvisation makes you go back and say "Wow, I'll never hear this song in the same way again"/"This sounds so natural, I can't imagine that this was not part of the original recording")

They "improvised" in a small number of ways and places the same way and places repeatedly. It's staged/planned "uniqueness". That's bullshit.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #179
227. fair criticism of "jam" bands, with which I agree
I just don't think it applies to the grateful dead. I think their music was more improvisational than a lot of jazz, often involving truly free improvisation. Granted, especially in their last 10 - 15 years, there was a fixed free improv section in their sets, but that doesn't change the fact that it was improvisation. I do have that "I'll never hear this song the same way again" feeling with them, like you describe thinking with Monk, with the grateful dead. What I especially like about them is that they were true scholars of popular/folk music, understood their place within that sphere and because of that were able to innovate. They would play a gospel song, a blues, songs by dylan and the beatles along with their own compositions within the same set. I think there's something about that which is very humble and a rejection of ego (as well as having non-performers write many of their lyrics). It wasn't about them grand standing and playing the part of musical genius, but an exploration of music for their own enjoyment and betterment. I don't think they did it for the money - that's for sure. If they played for the money (apart from wanting to make a living from it), they could have charged a lot more for their concerts and spent less money on using quality sound systems to deliver the best sound quality to their audience. They were also technological innovators, testing out new equipment on the road before it was released, and often using these things in interesting ways. They could have settled on a "sound" and kept it, but they didn't - they always changed and innovated. I also think they wrote great songs and performed them with heart and skill.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:04 PM
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168. I never ever ever got the dead
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astral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:12 AM
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189. You can't "get" the Dead without going to a Deadshow.
The Dead shows were a way of life, not just a band. Being a "Deadhead" (something which I didn't have time to be, but halfway wished I did) is about getting out of the fast lane, roaming the countryside as a band of gypsies. The show in the parking lot was lots more interesting than the show, but of course, you do gotta go to the show now and then.

Or, I mean, "did" gotta go to the show now and then. I'm glad I got to see them before Jerry Garcia died.
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #189
236. What did 1 deadhead say to the other when they ran outta weed?
"Dude, this band SUCKS!!!"

sorry, I just had to.

I saw them twice before Jerry Garcia died, and both were fun shows. One time I saw them with the Allman Brothers, and that was just freaking incredible (big AB fan).
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:49 AM
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187. I've never like them from day one.
Out of Tune... Amateur playing...Cornball Chord patterns.
Their solos sound like someone who needs to "Woodshed" for 10 years.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:23 AM
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242. YES
ABSOLUTE SHIT!
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:00 PM
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290. My pick too. They never once played in tune, but the audience never noticed.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:17 PM
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72. Radiohead.
STOP WHINING.
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:37 PM
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101. (((GASPeth)))
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:42 PM
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111. I refuse to live in fear!
Radiohead are overrated! I SAID IT BITCHES.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:18 PM
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149. "I SAID IT BITCHES."
:rofl: :rofl:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:38 PM
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106. When I am king you will be FIRST against the wall.
And your opinion, which is of no consequence. :eyes:
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:43 AM
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196. Seconded
:yourock:
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:12 AM
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299. Oh, yeah. Major, major suckage. nt
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:16 AM
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304. Wrong, you have bad taste
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 03:17 AM by Saint Etienne17
What else would I expect from a Sox fan :hide:
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:44 AM
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319. Another band that requires a lot of listening
in order to acquire test for them. They have to grow on you and you learn to appreciate them with a lot of repetition. If you play guitar you will appreciate them even more.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:17 PM
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73. Jefferson Airplane
I say they are not larger, but small.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:18 PM
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74. Green Day
Even though I do like them.......they aren't all THAT great.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:20 PM
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77. no, they're really not
:thumbsup:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:52 PM
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118. Amen
I don't care for them and I have NEVER cared for them.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:18 PM
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76. Dylan
i'm sick to death of Rolling Stone spooging all over whatever crap he releases next.
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Throd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:22 PM
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79. Amen Brother!
Musical waterboarding IMHO.
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:23 PM
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81. Agree on his own music, but he's a great songwriter and I like hearing others perform them.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:24 PM
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83. sure he's got songwriting chops, but how many wheezy harmonica parts do we really need?
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:30 PM
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90. ...
:rofl: :patriot:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:45 PM
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114. Dylan doesn't play the harmonica, he just blows in it
Stevie Wonder plays the harmonica.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:38 AM
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216. It is really difficult to play the harmonica in his wretched atonal style...
I have actually tried to do so. My experience is that your ear and technique will start automatically correcting the pitch.
Dylan really had to work at being so bad at the thing
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:24 PM
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84. You're crazy. I love all Dylan's songs by The Byrds
:hi:
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:25 PM
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85. Take this!

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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:31 PM
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91. I took the kids to see Dylan last September
I had to translate.........The boy says Dylan is a cross between a Hobo and an Angry Mouse.

Nevertheless, Bob is sacrosanct.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:35 PM
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98. Yes, sacrosanct, therefore, ripe fodder for this thread
:rofl:
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carly denise pt deux Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:01 PM
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172. agreed....that was my choice also
Carly
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:19 AM
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209. Dylan wrote good songs for other people to sing.
He mumbles too much and has a tenuous grasp on melody.
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:26 PM
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86. rush
one of teh few bands out there when i hear the first cord of a song i turn it off.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:41 AM
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349. I confess, I like Rush.
I turn it up.
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Throd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:29 PM
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89. The sober Eric Clapton
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:38 PM
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105. The country Eric Clapton
However, the country Bob Dylan was at his best, certainly singing-wise, when he ventured in this direction.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:27 PM
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130. The "Pete Townshend drags Eric Clapton out of rehab as part of his rehab" Eric Clapton
Between Derek & The Dominos and "461 Ocean Boulevard," There was "Eric Clapton's Rainbow Concert."



An event organized for Clapton by Pete Townshend.

Clapton pretty much hit rock bottom around the time of "Concert For Bangla Desh."

For years, "Eric Clapton's Rainbow Concert" was widely recognized as thr transitional dog it was. In 1995 Polydor did a "Chronicles" CD release with the usual remixing / remastering and 7 "bonus tracks" (the original album had 7 tracks).

It's a legend who became a junkie who got clean and became an elder statesman at the "getting clean" point on the graph.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:32 PM
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94. Bryan Ferry
couple good songs, that's it.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:48 PM
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115. WHAT!? NO!
Ok, I tried to ignore the Kinks comment, but... have you listened to much Roxy Music, especially the first few albums, the ones with Eno? He's a great singer and so influential to other great bands.

Sheesh. Why do you hate freedom?

Plus, I doubt 8 out of 10 know who he is, so I can't really say he's overrated.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:18 AM
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207. "Avalon" was good stuff!!
"More Than This" was the big hit from that album. I remember. Besides, he's a sharp dresser, like Robert Palmer was
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:35 PM
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259. I knew this would get me into trouble
:hide:
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:43 PM
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273. it's all good. Everyone has their different tastes
even if it's bad. :D
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:17 PM
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276. BUT I like Roxy Music
I just said I thought they were overrated.

My taste overlaps with yours.

Out out damn spot for you huh?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:39 AM
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331. ever heard Country Life?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:19 AM
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208. WRONG!
:spank:
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:34 PM
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95. Nirvana nt
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:35 PM
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97. Nirvana
'nuff said.
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:37 PM
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102. Pretty much any group formed after 1990.
The music world went totally to shit around that time, IMO. I blame grunge.

BTW, I'm a huge Rush fan. Everybody in this thread who called them overrated has been put on my ignore list.

Ok, not really. But you still suck. And have no taste whatsoever. :evilgrin:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:32 AM
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183. I'm updating my ignore list too.
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 12:32 AM by Jamastiene
I loved grunge, btw. Bye bye now.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:40 PM
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109. Offspring
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:43 PM
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113. oh come on...Offspring are hilarious
they crack me up
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:16 AM
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199. I don't think they're ranted and raved about nearly enough
to be considered anywhere near "overrated." Maybe at the height of Smash or something, but even then, they stuck out more as something different than as some sort of universal rock band that everyone loved. I mean, how many "punk" albums on independent labels have made the top ten on the albums chart and gone multi-platinum? And yet, I don't think I've ever seen them touted as some sort of revolutionary band. To me, they're a good hard rock band with often clever lyrics. And for a mainstream punk band (which is the only kind of punk I know much of anything about, and that isn't all that much, either) I think they're actually pretty underrated compared to the much more widely-touted Green Day.

(Man, I apologize for the rambling there. I really need to go to bed!)
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:40 PM
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110. Pink Floyd!!
Sorry!!
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:26 AM
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232. WHAT?????!!11!
What? Pink Floyd? Oh man, no!
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:52 PM
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117. The Tragically Hip
I love that name, though.

mikey_the_rat
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:30 PM
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132. No, you've obviously posted thinking you were in the "GREATEST BANDS" thread.
Gord Downie is one of those frontmen who could just jump off the edge of the stage, grab someone in the front row, and bite them. Bite them HARD.

He's like Michael Stipe without the training wheels.

Love the name, love the band. Someone needs to slip you a mix CD of this band's greatest hits.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:42 PM
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144. They're only overrated in Canada
and even then largely because of the CRTC's "Canadian content" restrictions, which cause the TH to be as overplayed north of the border as Stairway, Freebird and American Pie are south of it.

I do, however, have a bone to pick with them regarding that song, many years before 2005, that had fish swimming up the streets of NOLA...
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:04 PM
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122. Nirvana. Rush.
And if anybody says Led Zep, LynneSin will kick their ass!!

Bake
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:13 PM
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125. Steely Dan
Assuming you can even call two guys "a band".
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:28 PM
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131. Hell yes you can.
Besides, the early albums are definitely "band," though not in this garage-band-practicing sense.

:P :P
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:48 AM
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197. Over-rated? It's not as though every 3rd person at a bar is wearing their t-shirt
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:06 AM
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310. That's what I don't get.
Criticism is fine, but as they're hardly popular, saying they're "overrated" is a little strange, to me.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 05:13 PM
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126. Nirvana, Led Zep, The Greatful Dead.
Okay, go ahead and kill me for saying that.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:34 AM
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184. You might as well have stabbed me in the heart with a knife.
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 12:36 AM by Jamastiene
On the last two, I couldn't agree more. On the first one, you listed, blasphemy. :cry:
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:12 PM
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137. Bob Dylan - most overrated artist ever
Ok, not a band, but the guy hasn't done anything relevant or interesting since the 60s ended, but people can't stop kissing his ass.
And he's a total sell-out with his SUV and lingerie commercials and likes to pretend he was never political, though I remember some songs called 'masters of war' and 'the times are a changing' or some such shit

he had 5 good years then fizzled out.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:03 AM
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366. You have no clue. Do some reading and listening.
nt
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:21 PM
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140. Aerosmith
Gawd, they are just awful

And agree with Bob Dylan- ugh!
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:11 AM
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351. Toys In The Attic is good
even if you don't like anything else Aerosmith does (like me)
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:31 PM
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143. Time fer me to get put on an ASSTON of ignore lists!!!
Rage Against the Machine, good intentions and all, bores the shit outta me musically. Let's not even count their mook/frat boy slobberers ("U hav NO fuxx1r9 music taset, azzhol! LOL!"); you'd be surprised how many supposed "mature" music fans literally want to hang you for even having such an opinion. It's sad, really.

Tool doesn't do much for me either. It sounds like Neurosis/Lysol-era Melvins-lite.

I don't get the Nirvana worship. Husker Du did this sort of thing way better.

The Red Hot Chili Peppers had one good album. Blood Sugar Sex Magic wasn't it.

Pretty much all jam bands.

My Morning Jacket (no get. AT all. Sorrah)

The White Stripes. Watched 8 videos. Listened to three entire albums. Twice. Fify-star reviews be damned, I think they're mediocre at best. I find his vocals to be shrill and annoying as hell and their play-behind-the-beat drummer sounds like shite.

The Killers

Amy fucking Winehouse. What the fuckity FUCK . . . SPIN Magazine is like FAUX news for hipsters, making it like this soon-to-be-methlab-victim is the next Janis Joplin or some shit.

The Black Eyed Peas

Built to Spill, Yo La Tengo, Interpol, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Modest Mouse or any of the boring, happy-ass ironic indie bands my record store manger brother-in-law gets into.

Pretty much all mainstream rap made past 1993, especially Eminem, those stupid "Crunk" whatever they are's, Yung Joc, Yung Jeezy or whatever, and Puff Daddy or P Diddy or Diddy or whatever the shit he calls himself . . . I'm just so fucking TIRED of it's ubiquity. It's EVERYwhere. There's NO escape. And this is coming from someone who used to exclusively listen to hip hop from 1979 to 1985 (the year I first heard a band called Husker Du, the end).

Madonna

Moby

Fatboy Slim

No Doubt

Fashioncore groups like Eighteen Visions, Avenged Sevenfold and Atreyu.

Green Day and the 7 million or so bands that sound exactly like them.

Anything emo. Cry that Dashboard Confessional album elsewhere and get a pair of pants that FIT!

Blur

Korn

Hinder . . . there must be more people out there who wish Creed would kiss and make up than I give credit for.

Yeah, I'm from Northeast Ohio and don't see what the big pants-shitting deal is about the Black Keys.

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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:53 PM
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146. boy, you must be a blast at parties...n/t
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:31 PM
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151. Parties I'm OK at. Weddings and funerals are the problem spots.
:7
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:00 PM
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147. Hey - wanna listen to some music with me....
Rage was okay in that college moment for about a week.

Tool - well the name says it all.

Nirvana, Winehouse, Fat Boy Slim, etc., etc.....you have named so many bands that I could not even come up with as being overrated since I have effectively eliminated them from my plane of being.

And that Gwen Stefani - it's personal for me - I just detest her.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:51 PM
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159. gwen stefani? really? she fucking rules.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:12 AM
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203. The Nirvana/Husker Du thing is spot on
I try to do the same thing to younger friends w/ Radiohead, who is having Talk Talk's career 20 years later....
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:01 PM
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274. "Spirit of Eden" + Gong's "You" + "The Richard D James Album" = every song Radiohead has ever done.
Post-Pablo Honey, that is.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:15 AM
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300. I agree with you on pretty much EVERYTHING.
Of course, have of those bands I've never heard of.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:56 PM
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161. Led Zeppelin
God, not only are they overrated, but completely awful. There's no other band as completely shit as them.... and how they're regarded seems to be in inverse proportion to how much they suck.

Yes, there are other overrated bands. Here are a few:

rage against the machine (suck... worse than suck - still not as bad as LZ)
U2 (possibly worse than LZ)
The Smiths

most other bands that even a single person likes
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:54 PM
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176. What?!?! The Smiths?!?!
Them's fightin' words!!! :spank:
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:23 PM
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178. oh, come on, like a Smiths fan is going to fight! hahahahaha!
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:44 PM
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180. Wait. You're right...I'm just gonna go write some angst-ridden poetry in my journal.
:(
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:22 AM
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239. Yeah right, they'll just wallow in their depression listening to Smiths tunes
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 11:22 AM by CreekDog
:rofl:
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:25 AM
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368. the smiths???
crazytalk
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:19 PM
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177. The Wiggles
Seriously, what have they done since "Fruit Salad?" It's been down hill since that song.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:47 PM
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181. U2, Dave Matthews, Motley Crue, Chuck Berry, ACDC.
Fire away.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:44 AM
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185. pearl jam
i don't care if anyone else has said this...but i CANNOT stand them...eddie veder grates on my brain like i'm a block of cheese and he's...well...a cheese grater
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:05 AM
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355. Pearl Jam
has anyone else said it?
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:46 AM
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186. 3
Led Zeppelin- Ripped off Willie Dixon. The weakest member of the group musically (Jimmy Page) was it's mastermind. "Physical Graffiti" might be the most overrated album of the 70's, too.

Post-Mick Taylor Rolling Stones- They've produced maybe a full album's worth of good material in the last 25 years, and most of it was off "Some Girls". They stopped being a band and retired to being Rock Stars.

Genesis/Peter Gabriel- I take it back; "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" is the most overrated album of the 70's...
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:54 AM
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188. I forgot The Clash
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 01:23 AM by enigmatic
If only for "Rock The Casbah" and Joe Strummer thinking he was a better songwriter than Mick Jones; easily the most overrated band in the punk era...
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:03 PM
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281. no way
what punk band was better? The Clash were the best punk band, possibly rock and roll band, ever.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:29 PM
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294. I'm with you re: the Clash---left every other punk band in the dust...
but baffled at your thinking Springsteen sucks . Oh well, to each his own. I personally put the E Street Band as the greatest band of all time, with The Clash being their only serious competition. And Strummer personally, is my all time greatest rock and roll hero, with Bruce right behind. Both have walked the walk besides talking the talk, and made powerful, inspirational music. I literally wept when I heard Joe had died; we need him so badly now. " In these days, the beat is militant, must be a Clash, there's no alternative".
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 12:15 AM
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298. maybe I'm being too hard on The Boss, but only maybe...
... I like that he stands up for what he believes in, but on the other hand, I see him (as a performer - I won't pretend to know about him as a person) as a sort of character for stadium concerts. There was this thing that Conan O'brien played on his show (from TV, I think) where Springsteen was introducing the band and got Max Weinberg's name wrong.... weird. That just made me think the guy must be completely out of it - treating a long-time band member like a nameless intern or something. I also just don't find the music that compelling - a little too middle of the road. Yeah, they're rock solid, but I just don't think they've got any real kick like harder rock bands have (not all of them - a lot of heavy metal I find to be very weak sounding music), nor is there enough nuance for me to appreciate any delicacy which could be important. I usually like the lyrics.... but the harmonies and melodies just aren't often very catchy. I could be totally wrong... I myself got upset on here for someone panning the grateful dead, but I think they probably never really delved into them to know what it was that made them great - it could very well be the same with with me and Springsteen. Maybe just knowing the radio hits means I've missed what people find great about the guy and his band.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:34 AM
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307. The Dils
For pure punk, The Dils:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dils

For garage-art-punk, Rocket From The Tombs/Pere Ubu:





http://www.furious.com/perfect/rockets.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_From_the_Tombs
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:21 AM
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317. never heard the Dils, so I'm checking it out, but I love Rocket from the Tombs
...and the dead boys. I like Pere Ubu too, but not as much. There'll all fine (in fact, I'm completely stupid about RFTT and dead boys), but nothing like the clash. The politics of the clash, both lyrically, and in the way they ran things day-to-day, were spot on. No other group articulated punk as a political statement like they did. I also think they just wrote killer songs, when they weren't being political: 'train in vain', for instance. AND, as that song illustrates, they refused to be involved with 'punk' as a marketable cash cow style/sound and were always changing, innovating and breaking perceived rules, which is totally punk rock. I love the Ramones, but they did sort of the opposite, and suffered for it.
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:28 AM
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369. misfits
best punk band ever.
that or i know nothing about punk
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:28 AM
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370. dup
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 01:31 AM by Pat Cakes
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:18 AM
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190. The Cure and Joy Division
I'm just saying that to be controversial. I actually enjoy them both.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:25 AM
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191. I don't mind The Cure
But Dinosaur Jr. Owns "Just Like Heaven" in my mind...
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:06 PM
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282. good for you
neither of them are overrated.... maybe the cure are (though they're one of my favourite bands). They've just been around for so long that they've put out a lot of not good stuff.... if rated on their best work, they aren't overrated, but if that rating is used for their body of work as a whole, then they're overrated.

I think Joy Division are woefully underrated. I really think popular music of the last 25 years would be remarkably different if those guys hadn't come together to make the music they did.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:55 AM
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311. Joy Division was ahead of its time, and brilliant.
If someone did a cover now of "A Means To An End" with more updated sound technology, you'd never know it wasn't a totally modern song. Kinda like Trent Reznor's cover of "Dead Souls"--just perfect.

Ironically, the Joy Division song that I like the least is "Love Will Tear Us Apart" (arguably their most "successful" song). Ian's voice is flatter and more nasal than usual in that song, and the whole thing is much too sing-songy for my taste.

"Decades" is another one I'd like to hear a modern cover of.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:39 AM
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194. (Laces up sneakers) (Gets ready to run) (Deep breath): REM.
quick like a bunny
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:56 AM
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198. Musical taste is so subjective
I only know one thing for sure. Everyone else's preferences suck unless they agree with mine.

Every band is both over- and under-rated depending on who you ask.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:21 AM
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210. I think I'd be scared to see some of your musical collections
Anything older than "New Kids on the Block" would be surprising for some of you. :scared:
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Mendocino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:21 AM
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213. David Bowie
It's not that he's terrible, just overrated. Terrible would be AC-DC.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:14 AM
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322. He IS incredibly overrated as a "visionary", "genius", whatever...
ironically, I think his actual musicianship is underrated. He has incredible vocal and instrumental chops.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:55 AM
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333. David Bowie was genius, visionary.
I think so, anyway. 1984's "Modern Love" is good but not groundbreaking, is that what you had in mind?
I'm thinking of his 1970s work, now that was original, inventive, and yes, visionary.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:07 AM
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330. First picture yourself in 1974, then listen to Rise & Fall of Ziggy Stardust.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 04:23 AM by quantessd
That is THE COOLEST, EVER! I was a little kid then, but I remember hearing it played. That is one of my top favorite 10 albums ever.

For me, this is one of those "life changing" records. Music that means so much to a person, that brings out deep emotions.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:34 AM
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214. hmm, -edit
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 04:35 AM by petersond
A few, but most have been mentioned all ready...

The Beatles

Kiss

The Rolling Stones

Rage Against the Machine

John Mellencamp

The Grateful Dead....

Now...I'll just

:hide:

eta:to add Tool to the list.
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Telegram Sam Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 06:51 AM
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217. Sigue Sigue Sputnik
If I hear Sex-Bomb Boogie one more time...I'll rip my eardrums out.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:23 PM
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248. Yana Ya Ya's keyboard playing was my most sacred cow
You've really offended me. :rofl:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 01:25 PM
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323. I actually HAVE the "Love Missile F1-11" 12" somewhere in the depths.
Wasn't that an era where pretty much any drag boy in the Soho club scene could follow George O'Dowd's lead and get signed (see: Marylin, Martin Degville, etc)?
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:05 AM
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218. Phish!
Need I say more?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:43 AM
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224. The most interesting thing about them is how they spell their name
Psuck
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:27 AM
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233. If they REALLY wanted to be interesting...
...they'd spell it GHOTI.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:02 PM
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244. Phuck yeah!
Phish sux
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Magrittes Pipe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:59 AM
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219. The Beatles.
They were a damn good band. But the OP didn't ask for a list of shitty bands, the question was about overrated bands. And the simple fact is that the deification of the Beatles leaves them unquestionably overrated.

The Beatles did not hang the moon in the sky. They did not bring my grandparents back to life. They neither discovered fire, nor did they cure cancer.

They were a hell of a band, but they were not perfect (c.f. "Rocky Raccoon"). Since they were not perfect, they are overrated by millions of people who believer they were.

QED

Oh... and I guarantee that if Lennon were alive, he would agree with this post. :patriot:
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:53 PM
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297. Saying the Beatles were overrated is like saying Magellan,
Amerigo Vespucci, Lewis and Clark or Jim Bridger were overrated. (as musicians, the explorers most likely sucked, but as explorers and trailblazers they were without peer.)

The Beatles transcended music. They were a force, ushering in a new and exciting wave of culture. Their artistic expression was fresh and innovative. They didn't become icons for no good reason. They have withstood the greatest test of all; the test of time. They could never be overrated.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:32 PM
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325. They were a fucking boy-band in an era to naive to disallow boy-bands to attempt to cross over to...
serious music.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:00 AM
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335. OK OK, black musicians never got their due
but you cannot trash all the Brit bands because of it
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:01 AM
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221. The Who, Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Lynard Skynard
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:03 PM
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360. Bob Seger sings about stalking strippers
"Down on Main Street" he sings about a "lovely little dancer" "so young and sweet" and he'd follow her home after her shift, "down on main street".
:puke: :scared: :puke: :scared:
Way too creepy for my taste.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:05 AM
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222. Any band that gets namechecked a lot, but is only remarkable for its obscurity
Much as I like some of them. :hide:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:18 AM
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225. The Who - how many fricking Farwell/Reunion tours can one band do?
And if Keith Moon was such an iconic drummer why did they find it so easy to replace him? Hell at least Led Zeppelin recognized what an important part that John Bonham played in the band that they felt it best to end the band than to replace him with some second rate drummer
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:28 AM
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235. Oh hell yeah!
:thumbsup:
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:28 PM
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288. Entwistle held the who together.
Three deranged orangutangs competing for the audience's attention -- moon, daltrey and townshend, held down by Entwistle's damn complicated bass playing.

And I LIKE the Who!!!

Townshend could play good melodic stuff -- but mostly he was whacking, not playing lead.

He really came into his own with his first two solo albums -- Empty Glass and the one after that with the black and white cover.

Empty Glass was quite excellent.
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bmbmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:16 AM
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230. The Archies.
They were so two-dimensional...
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:28 AM
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234. Journey sucks ass all day long!
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:41 AM
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237. Coldplay, the Oasis for the 21st century...
when average Brit bands start getting compared to the Beatles, well, I just gotta call BS.

You write a few catch songs, and then you're a music legend? For Pete's sake, the Beatles were cranking out 1 or 2 albums EVERY YEAR, of CLASSIC, groundbreaking stuff. Simply amazing.
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:46 PM
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253. I thought Coldplay were the Simple Minds of the 21st Century?
You know.... half-assed U2 ripoffs.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:24 PM
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286. Right about the beatles.
These young kids have NO IDEA how hard the Beatles worked or how much material they cranked out over a very short period of time. They were only famous in the US from 1964 to 1969 or 70, when they broke up. And they starred in two movies -- "HELP!" and "HARD DAY'S NIGHT" as well. John acted in "How I Won The War" and Ringo was in "Candy". And kept cranking out good stuff in their four individual solo careers after they broke up.

They were cranking out 2 or three albums a year with NO weak tracks on them -- like Rubber Soul & Revolver in '65, for example.

If you want to hear some amazing singing, somewhere in "Anthology", they have separated the 3-part vocal track of "Because" from the backing. So you hear "Because" a cappella -- no accompaniment. It's weird, has strange chords, and is simply stunning.
John, Paul & George singing amazingly well.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:54 PM
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362. Coldplay are SO overrated, the name for that is SMUG.
Coldplay is on? Let me catch a snooze.
:boring:
Wake me when the song is over.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:01 AM
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365. Did no one catch the Oasis mention?
Score one for Oasis.

(Or have we finally quit doing that here)
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:25 AM
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243. Ahh. I get to be the first to say Van Halen
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 11:25 AM by DS1
ABSOLUTE SHIT!
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:40 PM
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251. No, that would be Van Hagar
Blasphemy against the True Van Halen shall not be tolerated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUl7gkWZJGI
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:49 PM
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254. Fuck that shit
Hager was at least listenable. Van Halen fans need to take their mullets and camaros and drive off a very tall cliff.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:11 PM
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258. Are you saying Hagar fans don't have mullets, drive camaros, etc.?
I bet you can't tell the difference between fans.

:hide:
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 08:00 PM
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280. Listenable?? You call this SHIT listenable??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSpMDFPxbfg
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:06 AM
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314. Damn you beat me to it.
David Lee Roth sucks ass.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:34 PM
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326. You're so wrong!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbXPHiyE7uE
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:36 PM
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327. shoot me now.
Edited on Sat Jan-26-08 04:36 PM by Radical Activist
ok now i'm ready to say that he's a no talent ass clown. :)
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:39 PM
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260. Dear Creekdog....
Welcome to my Musical ignore list!....Just for those will truly poor taste in music.
Eagles..best band ever..AND, my stepfather who is a rock n roll drummer agrees with me..So there!
Na na na na boo boo....:P
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:17 PM
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266. I love the Eagles
I also love Quarter Pounders.

See what I mean? :think:
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:47 PM
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262. EVERY band formed after 1981.
EVERY band formed after 1981.

Take your pick. They all suck fruit!
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_testify_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 04:42 PM
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269. The Beatles.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 05:15 PM
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272. Bwahahahaha! Thanks for the laugh! No, really! Because innovation is SOOO over-rated!
Along with creativity, charisma, variety, and cultural influence!
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 07:47 PM
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279. Jimmy Buffett
His songs are all interchangeable and all sappy.

There, I said it.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:00 PM
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283. That's not true, they are not all interchangeable
Come Monday is not interchangeable with all the others

All the others are interchangeable with Margaritaville, however.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 09:27 PM
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287. why don't we get drunk and screw is probably not sappy
but other than that okay
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:28 PM
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293. What's the most non-mainstream song of his that you can name?
And be honest. :)
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:10 AM
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301. Maroon 5
Terrible music all around
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:33 AM
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348. Cheers to that. I don't understand their popularity.
And, thank you for naming a contemporary band.
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Blue Fire Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 03:18 AM
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305. The Doors. The Rolling Stones.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:04 AM
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313. Van Halen
Oh god do they ever suck. I guess the guy could play guitar but he wasted his talent playing shitty corporate cock rock.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:11 AM
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316. The Beatles are the definition of the word overrated.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:02 AM
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337. pitiful nt
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 09:47 AM
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320. All you people left out the biggest a-hole of them all
Ted Nugent
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:02 AM
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338. he isn't even rated
let alone overrated - which is why his name did not occur to anyone
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HuskerDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:27 AM
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321. I don't think that the Beatles are overrated, but their weakest
lps (Sgt Peppers and Abbey Road) seem to get acclaim as their best. Pardon me if I'm not a fan of 'Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite' or 'I'm Fixing a Hole' or any of the rest of that crap. The idea that people think 'Sgt Peppers' is the greatest RnR record of all time really makes my blood boil. I think it stinks!
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 04:43 PM
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328. Agreed.
People bash Let it Be a lot as one of their worst albums but I listen to it a heck of a lot more than Sgt. Pepper. Pepper got a lot less interesting sometime after I graduated high school.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 05:21 PM
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329. I think that's all of them.
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:10 PM
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361. I think you're right.
So, basically, every band sucks.
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