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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:36 PM
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Biogeeks: what is spontaneous fermentation?
I hear this term applied to the Brettanomyces yeast.

What do they mean?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:55 PM
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1. I looked it up
Basically its wild fermentation..they keep the beer exposed to the outdoors and let wild yeast come in and ferment instead of adding yeast to a fermentation vat. No idea how this effects the quality of the beer though
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:59 PM
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2. So yeast will show up if not kept in controlled conditions?
I'm planning on brewing - but I've learned I have to learn the gotchyas before undertaking the task.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:03 PM
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3. Oh hell yeah!
Yeast is a pernicious little critter. It is EVERYWHERE. Labs that work with yeast have to have special biocontainment because of it..almost like the super nasty infectious bugs..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeast
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:04 PM
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4. Wow...thats kinda cool
So there are strains out there, undetected, that might make for the greatest beer this species has ever known.

Now this REALLY makes me want to get into brewing!
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:09 PM
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5. ...
Dr. Taverner..yeast brewologist!:)
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:57 PM
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8. Seems to me, then, that you might want to brew in an old bakery
since they are full of yeast, too ;)
Probably not the right kind of yeast, but I have heard of some really old bakeries being able to do sourdough stocks without adding the previous day's dough to it and still end up with a yeasted dough.
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lizerdbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:01 PM
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9. That's how bread starters worked
before you bought yeast in a store. I've made a starter like that and it made some tasty sourdough, although it takes several days to a week. :9
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:53 PM
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11. The brewers usually don't have any idea either.
That's what makes it so fun. :) You never know what you're gonna get.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:37 PM
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6. The first batch of beer wasn't purposely made.
It was a happy accident.

I'm not a biogeek, I just play one while I brew beer.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:45 PM
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7. I have a question
Could you, potentially, brew an IIPA with Brettanomyces Yeast? Would it suck to high heaven or could it work?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:03 PM
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10. I presume you don't mean JUST Brett...
...but still, it's hard to imagine any IPA that included more than a trace amount of Brett being very good-- beers with Brett in the yeast mix tend to be distinctly yeasty, IMO (like Belgian ales). And any wild fermentation heavy on the Brett would likely be pretty musty. That's my thinking, anyway. I'm not a brewer though, so it's a guess, not based on experience.
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:10 PM
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13. Not necessarily an IPA.
How do you feel about lambics?

http://www.wyeastlab.com/com-lambic-brewing.cfm

Brewing beer with wild yeast and bacteria adds a new level of complexity to an already complex process. Making beer with these specialty cultures is less precise and much less predictable than brewing with a single yeast strain. The rewards however can be tremendous if a brewer has patience.

The most important factor to keep in mind is that these cultures take time to fully develop and do their jobs. A good lambic or sour style beer usually takes 1 to 2 years to fully develop. The temperature at which the beer is fermented and then stored will play a large role in determining how quickly the characteristic aromas, flavors and acidity develop.
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:05 PM
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12. Jesus turning water into wine.
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