L O S T - season finale

in 10 minutes.

Are we ready?

See ya in two hours.

don't think I can make it for the whole two hours...:hi:

I don't want Jin to die but all signs are pointing to it. I'm ready for Keamy to get it, but the armband he's wearing probably sets off the C4.

:wow:

WOW. Just....HOLYFUCKINGSHITWOW!!!!

I don't get to watch for at least 2 hours

Argh!

LOL!

It ended 5 minutes ago and my heart rate still hasn't gone down. The entire episode is incredible, but the last 15 minutes are mind blowing.

I hope you like it!

and I think that some on this board speculated it may have been Locke.

but I expected it to be at Keamy's hand.

Didn't see the Locke thing coming.

and this is what threw me about Locke. I did not realize that Kate was so angry about him, perhaps she was not, until he came after them, asking them to go back.

Before the reveal I was leaning towards Desmond in the coffin, particularly after Jack's warning to him to not let them find him.

Completely drained of all energy. That show just wears me out!

how many minutes before the reveal did you know it was Locke in the coffin??

ohmigod! what will they do next year? I can't wait!!!

They used Jeremey Bentham, the name of another philosopher, instead of John Locke. I thought that was odd.

All this time, I expected it to be Ben. I never thought it was Michael though so I'm glad to at least be right about that.

I wonder if they ever used that name in past episodes.

he can't really walk around calling himself John Locke since he is supposed to be dead on the bottom of the ocean, now can he?

Create all the happiness you are able to create; remove all the misery you are able to remove. Every day will allow you, --will invite you to add something to the pleasure of others, --or to diminish something of their pains. And for every grain of enjoyment you sow in the bosom of another, you shall find a harvest in your own bosom, --while every sorrow which you pluck out from the thoughts and feelings of a fellow creature shall be replaced by beautiful flowers of peace and joy in the sanctuary of your soul.

http://www.cartome.org/panopticon1.htm

http://www.utilitarianism.com/panopticon.html

Good show. 8 months again though. Son of a...

Wow

and Jack lied because this is what Locke asked him

No, not Ben. He will be the last one standing. And Michael, like Jin, did die in that explosion.

because he'd been trying to kill himself and failing. But he fulfilled his destiny by saving the people on the helicopter, so he could finally go. I'm not utterly convinced Jin is dead. At least I hope not.

However, I think that Walt is under the impression that he is still alive?

I figured Michael was dead by the way Hurley hesitated when he answered Walt's question about Michael. I can't remember exactly what Walt asked, but it was something about Michael staying behind or something.

and Hurley told him to protect the people who didn't come back. Walt said like my dad. It was obvious by Hurley's expression and hesitation that Michael did not survive.

I couldn't remember but I knew that it was an obvious sign Michael was gone. But then again, you never know with Lost.

but, of course, Hurley cannot be sure and this, too, can contribute to the hesitation. Not to mention that Hurley himself is having hard time differentiating between live and dead people. Remember when Charlie "came" to visit?

he would have been stranded in the middle of the ocean, with nothing (since the island dissappeared).

of the first season, when the others grabbed Walt and then torched their raft.

And when you just move around in something that floats, you never know where you'll end up.

if he was rescued at some point, and how long can you drift at sea with no food or water.

and conclusion to a fantasy world :)

I read someplace that activating the explosions from deep inside the earth would never work, as radio signals would not travel from there.

So... we'll just hope for the best.

I really hope that Jin is alive.

:hi:

We should have had a character with that name by now.

Life on the island was "nasty, brutish, and short".

I don't know who you mean.

Did he get killed?

Remember? Sawyer shot him in cold blood for "taking the boy!"

I may have missed a few shows this season. And its not like the plot is easy to follow!

Have you been to http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Sometimes I get caught up there, but then realize there's still a lot I don't remember!

unable to kill himself and sent him back to the freighter to be Ben's "mole."

The one who made kissy faces with another man..

When Ben showed up, I had it narrowed down to Locke, but it still surprised me.

And I guess the next two seasons will explain why. I've always thought that he stayed in the island.

by leaving.

Dunno how... it just popped into my head.

Not happy about it either. x(

Pffth!

The writers of this show must do some amazing drugs.

Moving the fucking island. Give me a break. :banghead:

i watched again tonight but i've been wondering why for a while now.

they should rename the show "ambling along with a lot of woo-woo" or some such.

yes, complicated story lines that go forward and backward and i suppose if i devoted my life to studying its every nuisance i might possibly understand what it is evolving into.

i just can't do years and years of "wait! back in season two, in ep 6, when this person said that to... and IF you play it backwards..."

heh.


but a lot of people seem to like it so i'll leave it, and their enjoyment, with this episode.

have fun, my lost buds...

We wondered, several weeks ago, whether the whole thing was a game between Widmore and Ben. Remember when Ben cried that "he changed the rules?"

How else could Ben crawl in a tunnel and end up in a freezing room?

Still the question is who is Jacob.

And why did Jake's dad (it was him, wasn't it?) came to Michael right before the explosion?

:evilgrin:

I hate it that Jin is gone. :(

What an ending, what a show. How long till next season? :freak:

do we?

They never showed a closeup of the boat

but the island disappeared - was disappeared - was moved.

Dayum - when will next season begin?

and don't forget - tomorrow's encore has 2 different endings or something like that.

I always forget to bookmark that site, but not tonite.

:hi:

to Kate "the island needs you, you have to go back before it's too late" :freak:

assuming his boat didn't get sucked under with the island and that jin jumped before the explosion

being stuck between the exploding boat and the vanished island.

We did not see Rose and Bernard climbing aboard, and I doubt that Rose would like to leave, yet, we were given the impression that Juliet (and Swayer) are the only ones still on the island (besides the others, of course)

even though Sun and Hurley visited his
grave- who knows?

Maybe it's all part of the deception the
Oceanic Six are using.

I know, it's a stretch.

I REALLY don't want Jin gone.

:(

waving the helicopter back, just before the freighter blew up. :(

We don't know if he is dead or just lost or what? :shrug:

Heartbreaking!

since he was sterile until he came to the island, and his returning to "civilization" could terminate Sun's pregnancy.

she's looking to join forces with him, it seems to me.

She can't - Widmore is the one responsible - now to screw 'em both (and pops) again might be it, but not widmore against St. Jack, the really, really odd ball of the show.

That man drives me nutts, he has such a god complex tied to being whiney and an enabler :crazy:

But re: Sun... that's the feeling I got from it anyway... when she said they shared common interests... maybe she only wants to try to find Jin... if that's the case, then maybe Ben or Sayid can get to her before she does much for Widmore.

www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com

That is the web address given in a fake commercial toward the end of the episode. The site says it's recruiting for the Dharma Inititiative, and that the national recruitment drive kicks off in San Diego July 24-27. This happens to be the dates and location for Comic Con. You can enter your email address. It says a recruiment officer will contact you.

but was surprised that an ad about San Diego would be shown up nationally.

Good catch!

Something tells me he's becoming one with the island, similar to the way Locke and Rose were able to figure it out so early on.

I love this show: http://octagonglobalrecruiting.com/

I always turn off the commercial sound, but the visual catches me sometimes. I saw this rather cheesy "local" commercial and thought - what in the world? What a brilliant idea. This is the first time I have seen a show do this!

Thanks for cluing me in.

Usually leads you to some website with a commercial for JEEP or something.

and only saw them on the TV this season. I missed all the commercials, I guess.

Great episode last night!

A couple of them led to websites that had clues - like one where Penelope was introduced before she appeared on the actual show!

Last night's ep was great! Answered questions, but still leaves me excited about next season! (Is it really 8 months away?)

http://timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

It's just a theory and some of it has been proven wrong, but interesting anyhow

locke? wha? wha? HUH?

dammit.. i hate lost!(but i love it) :rofl:

An attempt to gather and convince all of them to return to the island, including Locke.

Unanswered questions:

What happened to the kids and to the flight attendant that were taken by the "others" two seasons ago?

The official story is that 8 survived the crash, initially, but later died. Any idea who they may be, or is irrelevant, just some embellishment?

What happened to the Zodiac that was moving toward the boat?

Why did Sayid pay a visit to Hugo? Where was he taking him?

Did Jin say "we know others left the island". Are these others prior to them crashing or are these Oceanic survivors?

I am pleased to see Saeyer's character mature and take a new direction. He is becoming the leader Jack was. Sawyer has always been my favorite, but he is a hero on LOST!

Apparently Sun blames Jack and her father for Jin's death. Desmond and Frank were on the raft, and Jack told Desmond to never let them find him before they split up.

because she would know that Ben would be a threat to Widmore.

I think Sun blames Jack for Jin's death but something in her discussion with Widmore made me think it was a Rickroll and she is going to kill him.

never finished the sentence.

but it's not like the producers ever fuck with our minds on this show.

In the re-run before the two hour finale. While they were having the press conference, they added a scene with Jack saying that Boone, Libby, and Charlie were the survivors who died after the crash.

So now they said that three died, even though in the original story they talked about 8. Unless they do not count Aaron who, of course, would not be one of the original survivors.

I tried to watch the rerun, but I still had some stuff to do before settling in for the 2 hour finale. Any more scoop would be greatly appreciated!

It looked like Julia was alone on the beach. Did Rose and Bernard decide to stay? Were they left behind? on the last boatload that was between the ship and the island?

I had these same questions last night! Who's left?

:shrug:

Kate looks like she's going to kill somebody

and thus could not spark, why was it not safe to just cut all the wires then? I guess it's a good thing I don't do bomb squad work.

That tunnel that Ben took that led him to the frozen room, that was like some sort of wormhole wasn't it? Or was it just the ship's steering room?

And everyone knows not to put metal in the microwave!

I knew it would be Locke in the coffin - but I don't understand the name change, nor how everyone else knows him by that other name too, when they've never called him that before.

or backwards that we will be seeing, that Locke came from the Island to try to convince the others to return at some point, that he had to use an alias because he was supposed to be dead. His insistence that they return did not endear him to anyone and his return stripped him of the miracle that made him healthy, so his return was to poor health.

Just a theory

But I wonder why they need everyone to return to the island?

Why couldn't Locke put it on himself?

There is no way a heart monitor could distinguish between people. The only I could figure is that removing it would also cause detonation, but they could have tried.

Although I guess it sort of happened so fast that there may not have really been the opportunity.

Is he insane after all or is he really seeing dead people?

He was playing with Ekko!

LOST created three different coffin endings. As we all know, Locke was the one actually in the coffin, but the show taped one with Sawyer in it and another with Desmond in it. Aside from that, everything else was the same.

Only some people die on the island and I wonder how they decide why.

Remember when Locke said to Jack "You're lying to yourself"?

And the people who got buried alive, or sorta alive.

and his sister learned how to actually love someone (Sayid) besides himself.

I do remember the buried alive people - I'm sure they had some sort of lesson in there somewhere. I think in the end, they did realize they were selfish and there were consequences for that.

but that was a mindfuck of an episode. I was kinda shocked at the lack of emotion from jack, kate, sayid, et al at jin's death. Sun was screaming hysterically and they're sitting deadpan.
I didn't think we would see the Desmond-Penny reunion so soon. I figured if we'd see it at all, it'd be one of the last episodes of the final season. But that was pretty fucking powerful and yes, I cried when they approached eachother.


So, any guesses where the island went???

Here's a question: if the island "moved", how come Juliette and Sawyer could still see the boat but those on the helicopter couldn't see the island? (Did the island move in space or time?)

I think it went like this: Explosion, helicopter witnessed it, Sawyer swam ashore, Juliette and Sawyer saw smoke from explosion, island moved. If that was the order, then there's no telling if it moved in time or space. I need to watch it again.

you see them staring at the smoke when the humming/buzzing sound starts signaling that the island is about to move.

But the island moved after Sawyer swam ashore, so that is why they could see the boat in the distance.

I believe that the island moved in time. As explained in the DHARMA video, the bunny will seem to disappear then re-appear. I imagine that it is some kind of space-time hole that the island sits on, and when Ben turned the wheel-thingy it opened up to "swallow" the island. What it kinda reminded me of was the last Pirates of the Caribbean movie when they turn the ship upside down. This would explain why Ben was in the middle of the desert in the fur coat from a few episodes ago(or more they all run together in my head). It is obvious now that is how he gets there(the wounded arm, ripped coat). I could go on all day with my theories, but I will stop here.

:crazy:

if you recall in the dharma video, the scientist states that the bunny will be transported 100th of a second into the future.

I think just that 100th of a second is enough for the island to disappear.

Also, the word "move", I don't think it pertains to a new physical location but instead it means moved to a different point in time.

Did they show them seeing it afterwards?

When Sawyer got there, she was watching the boat burn. Later, they were both still sitting there when the island moved. I don't remember them seeing them after that.

Oh, and that scene with Sawyer coming onto the beach. Hot, very hot.

So, do you agree that they were there when the island moved? funny how I second guess myself on the day after this show!

and I cried when the boat exploded with Jin on the deck :(

and held her. Like Hurley or Sayid.

since he was the one that showed up at Sun's place to visit Jin's grave.

that many ( if not all as dictated by Ben)
return to the island.

That theme has been playing for weeks.

They didn't!!!

x(

are you messin' with us?

The said they would explain it this season.

Dammit, I want to know what's up with the statue!

Though I think the black rock is now explained:

The island moved once before and 'poof' appeared directly where the Black Rock was. That explains how the Black Rock got so far inland.

They had to wind up cutting down a lot of the things they said they were going to address (Libby flashback, 4-toed statue, and more.)

:spank:

:rofl:

The way the camera plays Hurley's face when Frank says "...a few hundred pounds lighter." makes me think that Sawyer knew Hurley would have jumped, but would have drowned before he made it to shore.

plus he wanted to stay on the island more than a little.

I was scared there for a minute thinking he kicked the bucket!

and also told her to do whatever that think was that she told Jack she did.

I'm pretty sure.

he asked her to take care of his daughter
and give her money when she needed it... but not tell anyone
that is where she was in the flash forward with Jack when she said she was doing something for Sawyer but couldn't tell him (jack ) what it was....



lost

because it would piss off too much of the fan base. We haven't seen much of the dog lately though.

Will Ben try to have Sayid kill Penny as revenge to Widmore for Alex's death? I like to think that he would not due to his friendship with Desmond, but Sayid will lose Nadia(we know from a flash forward) and will that coldness eat away at him until he cares about no one? When Penny and Sayid met last night I could not help but feel a tinge of fear.

But would Ben do that? Couldn't he find other ways to kill Penny? And maybe more personally satisfying?

But Ben is the king of mind games, and he knows how to break people to submit to his will. Remember the German(I think) woman that Sayid fell in love with then killed when it came time? He is first an foremost a soldier that has in the past done things that are morally reprehensible. I just don't want it to be Sayid who kills her. The Desmond/Penny love story is so romantic I don't think I could ever forgive Sayid.

about Sayid, I mean. The Desmond/Penny love story is awesome - probably one of the best I've seen on a tv show!

I get it that they felt they would be protecting the rest by doing that, BUT Widmore still wants that island. He is still going to look for it whether he thinks there are more survivors or not and he is still going to try and kill everyone on it, right?

who'd be interested?

If they made it public that there were other survivors, then there would be a general search for them. They would assist Widmore in finding the island.

I honestly thought that Sawyer was actually sacrificing himself to let Hurley off the hook (weight wise, that is). If that's the case (and a few others of you seem to think that also), then it's pretty darned dramatic the change Sawyer's had since day one of the crash.

How many times did we love to hate Sawyer, and how much guilty pleasure did we get when Sayid, Jin or Hurley were kicking his ass? And now the guy's a bona-fide Hero(TM). What a journey for his character. What a damned good journey.

For a few moments, I actually thought Sawyer was being written out of the show-- but then I realized the outrage, the rending of clothes, the ashing of faces done by all women across this nation were that actually the case (this, according to my mom who called me during the show thinking Sawyer was dead and was hopping mad because if it, too-- my dear, sweet little old mother has the hots for Sawyer in a most disturbing way...)

I think Sun will be playing against Whidmore, not with him-- regardless of the sequence of the two of them negotiating. It reeks of a Benjamin setup in which he somehow manages to play Sun against Whidmore (but if he has a plan to help Jack get the others back to the island, who are we to question his genius?)

As for Locke, I'm not discounting anything yet. He may be dead, he may not. I don't trust my eyes when it comes to this show.

I was surprised the mercenary's all bought the farm-- I'd thought the writer's would keep them around through the first act of season IV, as they were really good heavies-- but I imagine Whidmore can buy a few more if need be.

Sometimes The Other's seem like serious bad-asses (like last night or in the season II ep-- the Other 48 Days), other times they seem like wimps. Gets me wondering if there are simply some Others, and some *other* Others, too.

I'm looking forward to getting this season on DVD if for no other reason that to get the episode that introduced the concept of "constants" to us-- one of the five best episodes of any TV I've ever seen.

Ahhh... and from the look of the previews last night, it seems we have an entire summer of reality-tv-crap to sit through before the return in the autumn (Moles? Did they have to? I promise-- put me in an office in LA and I could give you much better summer tv crap to while away those hot evenings....)



On edit: the Island may not have actually moved. Well, moved yes-- but ask not "where" it moved, but "when" it moved...

Why clutter my head with waste when I can focus on the last episode of LOST and be content in my world that Sawyer did not get killed off and neither did Desmond.

But in the end, he's a good person who never had the chance to do good things before.

I swear to dog, Lost has the hottest male cast of any show I've ever seen. Sawyer, Jack, Sayid, Desmond, Jin, Mr. Eko, Locke... all very different from one another but extremely attractive (to me anyway). Sayid is my favorite though, followed by Desmond and Jin.

Earlier in the season, there was an episode where every one of them appeared with his shirt of at some point!

My husband is always disturbed by my Sayid, such a man comments! AND-I have to say Sawyer did the most romantic thing ever by jumping from that plane. AND then SHIRTLESS swimming. Oh YES, I want a nickname too!

I like your comparison of Sawyer to Han Solo-- and with all the Star Wars nicknames he gives people, I bet he'd like it too. :)

line "Laugh it up fuzzball!" and all the various names he gave Princess Leia. But Sawyer was such an ass at first I didn't make the full connection. It was only after he started doing good things and actually caring about others that it really stood out. I wonder if it's at all purposeful. I know at first Sawyer bugged the living shit out of me, now he's one of my favorites.

I have often thought of how much Sawyer has changed since the beginning of the show. But he seems to have moved on from being manipulated into killing a man with shocking speed.

Their order was to catch Ben, live. Not that Ben is no longer on the island, their mission is aborted.

As for Widmore - I think that he wants the Island, without any other people who would interfere with whatever plans he has.

I wonder whether Widmore and Penny are aware of each other's interest in the island. Both have resources to study such things and one would think that they would bump into each other.

One criticism that I had about the episode: all through the ordeal on the helicopter, Aaron was quiet. A baby would have screamed.

I would not. Malcolm David Kelley really did some major growing.

Still, he certainly met the vibes of the island.

In an interview with TV Guide, Harold Perrineau is disappointed that Michael and Walt did not get to be together. How come, he asks, the "whites" - Desmond and Penny and even Sayid and Nadja - do, but not the "blacks?"

I don't think that he right. Last we saw of him he was desperately trying to kill himself and, it appeared, the only way he could do so was to save the others.

found each other again.

But, then again, who knows with this show! He could have said that and something else.

cause I think it was me he was talking about!

I almost forgot! Thanks for reminding me!

see my sig

...(by at least 10 months if Ben's appearance in the Tunisian desert is an indicator) I think the only way for the Oceanic 6 to return, would be for them to go back in time.

Perhaps even before the original plane crash...

That might explain the freaked out Kate apologizing to the sleeping Aaron.

If she takes him back to the island before he was born wouldn't she be in essence killing him?

Kate's dream/nightmare Claire sure seemed against the idea.

But that would put Aaron in utero, not really dead. Unless they go back 10 months.


BTW - love your bumper sticker!

Because I thought Ben destroyed the "time machine" by putting all that metal in it. But, since space and time are related, perhaps much like e=mc2, the destruction of the time component enabled the space component to become unLOCKEd. Clearly the frozen environment, and the prior episode flash-forward to the desert scene with Ben in his coat still, makes it clear that movement through space was what was happening.

Yes? No? Maybe?

:shrug:

When Desmond was moving through time, did he have appropriate clothes on? Like when he moved from boot camp to the island, he had on island clothes, right?

through the back wall so he could get to the active site.

The actual mechanism for moving the island is an artifact - that wheel was not natural. So who built it?

Not that I can say anything about it. I agree that putting the metal was to poke a hole but then, what?

of it's proximity to some anomaly of the island. The dharma machine and the machine Ben activated both do the "same thing" but on different scales.

We know Ben time traveled, because when he turns the handle and disappears he re-appears in the sahara on 10/24/2005. The "present" action on the island all takes place from 9/22/2004 to just after 12/25/2004. These details are in earlier episodes about Ben (sahara 2005) and Desmond (Sayid notices it is x-mas eve 2004)