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BushHasGotToGo Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:42 PM
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Quick econ question
If a firm produces at a lower cost than everybody else, does the firm become a monopoly in the long run?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:45 PM
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1. Only if the price is low enough
Once a monopoly, the prices skyrocket and they try to lock you in at so many different levels. That's one reason why I dislike society as it stands. No freedom, you have to be enslaved to their model. Ironically, that's why everybody should use Linux... :evilgrin: Not as much being locked in to one product, but there's no cooperation.
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:25 PM
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6. Yeah, linux!
A *real* operating system. :-)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:02 AM
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9. Congrats Pobeka!! 200 posts
:toast:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 07:46 PM
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2. Not necessarily
If they're still producing things that are out of most people's purchasing range, their stock will go unsold.

Other companies can temporarily undercut their prices and try to drive them out of business that way.

Paying substandard wages leads to employee dissatisfaction, high turnover, and monkeywrenching. All of these are expensive, and will eventually cause the company to raise prices.

The quality of their merchandise suffers from cost-cutting, and they begin to get a lousy reputation.

We've seen all these factors at work in the car industry in the past few decades. That's why we have more than one company, still.
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:00 PM
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3. There's economic theory and there's economic reality
and seldom do the twain meet. Economic theory would say that if a firm can produce at lower marginal cost than everybody else AND such production is as a result of innovation AND that they can somehow prevent the diffusion of such innovation(s) to other companies in perpetuity, then sure, this will lead to monopoly, all other things being equal (or as they say in Econland, ceteris paribus). Uhhh, I don't think it takes terribly keen insight to figure that the odds of both AND clauses obtaining in real life are not overwhelmingly great. As pointed out by other posters, most firms try to hold down costs by using low-cost or slave labor overseas. In the long run, hopefully, they will get bitten on the ass by this approach.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:04 PM
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4. Yes however, it can use its monopoly to increase profits only if
the cost of a competitor reentering the market is prohibitive or the company with the monopoly can use government to prevent competition.



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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 08:08 PM
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5. Not necessarily.
It's a fallacy to presume that cost is the only factor in determining purchase appeal.

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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 10:10 PM
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7. Probably not.
Monopolists do a lot more than just cut prices, although that's one thing in the arsenal.

There are other things you have to do to get a monopoly. You have to deny everyone else access to markets, and to materials, nd there are lots of ways of doing that.

Rockefeller had it down. He really only sold kerosene for most of his life, but did whatever he could to block every other producer from selling theirs. He would buy a railroad because another producer used it to get their product to market. He'd take over local distribution ot guarantee only his product would be in an area. Then, when your company was going belly up, he'd buy it and consolidate it with his own.

Now, Gates, Diller, Ellison, and a bunch of others don't have the legal freedom to pull all of John D's dirty tricks, but they're still locking up markets, and charging plenty.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 02:46 AM
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8. control production and then you control price
And that's the FIRST order of business for a corporation.
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