Question about FENCING

So the fence in the back yard is a falling down piece of shit with all kinds of shit stacked around it to keep it upright.

The dogs keep getting out and running away.

We need a new fence.

The problem is that I don't have any money, my mom doesn't have any money, and the neighbors are like, hillbillies with NO money.

I just went to OSH to get some wire to put up a wire fence until we can scrape up the cash for a board fence. My mom says we need to ask the neighbors before tearing down the old fence and putting up a new, ugly fence.

I say that if I'm the one spending 100% of the money and contributing 100% of the labor, I'm the only one who gets a say.

What say y'all? :shrug:

I know all about fencing with swords. The kind you're talking about.... not so much.

If you put up the fence one inch into their property ... well, funny how nice neighbors can turn nightmarish when right of way is concerned.

If it's your fence, you can tear it down and put up what you want. The neighbors have no say unless it's against some ordinance.

down fence. Keep it on your property line - problem solved.

I'd still tell the neighbors what I was doing as a courtesy. They probably don't like having the dogs come over to their side of the fence and will appreciate it.


XemaSab: around here the fences on property lines are considered a shared expense. When the redwood fence was falling we split the cost with the neighbor. I've never heard of that before, but since you're up the road a bit from us I thought I'd mention it.

:shrug:

The fence might be inside your property line and if so, your neighbors don't have much of a say regarding what you do outside of complaining to local code enforcement and/or homeowner's association. The fence might be riding the property line and jointly owned, or the fence might be on their property, in which case you have no rights to change it.

My 15 year old daughter can beat the crap out of anyone with a sword. She does Kumdo (Ken-do).

"if you ask me to do something, then dammit, let me do it, otherwise you do it!" :rant:

also: "if you ask me for conflicting things, you won't be getting them --don't get mad."

Here in Phoenix our backyards are all fenced with blocks.
The fence is considered shared property and repairs are also shared. Our neighbors can't remove any fencing w/o our permission.
Not that anyone would want to. It's really nice to have the privacy.

It depends upon whose property the fence exists. If it's physically located on their property, it's their problem (and they could also tear it down and not replace it. If it's on yours, you can do whatever you want with it. Sadly, there's no real "mutual responsibility" as it's an owned addition to the dirt, UNLESS the other party agrees to help pay for it.

If you got a survey of your property when you bought it, and the fence existed then, that survey will tell you.

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The dogs just got out for the second time today. x(

I wouldn't wait to find out if it's okay.

With pups in mind, always better to ask forgiveness than permission.

These ideas may cost money, but less than building a fence.

1. Bring in a dog training expert to use an electronic shock collar to train the dogs to fear leaving the yard.

2. I think there is something called a "silent" yard or "silent" fence or something like that, which trains dogs to remain in your backyard without the need of there actually being a fence, akin to how cattle are trained not to go over those weird markings on freeways. They are not harmed by the markings, but they are taught to fear them.

I hate the idea of training animals by pain or fear, but if there are not alternatives, the short term upset might be worth the long term gain. My philosophy about this comes from The Dog Whisperer program and his view about training dogs to avoid snakes at any cost, even if it requires an hour of electrical shocks.

That's just my view, and I am sure others will disagree.

BLAM!

As for the yard-containment issue, if the neighbors refuse to contribute I'd say you should just put whatever you want a couple of inches on your side of the property line. Better to keep the dogs safe than to try and placate some useless neighbors...

I say,touché.

I'm curious if flvegan or anybody has any experience with those buried electric fences (I think that's what they are - maybe radio frequency and a collar???) if they work all, they are pretty cheap and all you'd have to do is scratch out a ditch on the fence line. I don't know - I have a lot of cattle that would never stay behind a single hot wire. Works good for horses and gentle cattle, though.

I am lucky, the dogs can roam - hell I fence them OUT of the front yard. Previously had a lab cross that could jump any fence built so we worked on keeping her in the house or worn out so she didn't want to split. When I was a kid we lived in a non-fenced desert area neighborhood and we had a little brown terrier mutt that we walked and taught the boundary - she never crossed out unless we took her.

Currently we are repairing about a mile and a half of an old ranch boundary fence up on a mountain. The neighbor provided the posts, my son has been laboring to pound them into the mostly solid granite and we are probably going to reuse the 100 year old wire - it should last another 25 :rofl:

what kind of wire are you talking about?
are you going to remove the old fence NOW, before you put the wire up or do you mean when you get the funds and do a new board fence?

I find when I am about ready to completely ready to rebuild I can almost always repair the old mess one more time. Sigh.

I don't think you owe the neighbors too much consideration if they aren't pitching in anything. (subject to the property line questions mentioned by others and long term relationships that may or may not be relevant)

and one more thought: on animals that are determined to escape: consider that when you get a good tight fence they will then try to dig or jump out. Next?

That way you get the maximum force via leverage, and he doesn't.

Also, work on speed. If you're quicker than your opponant, there's very little he can do about it. :P

Damn Trekkies! Get off my lawn!