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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:36 AM
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LOST - another theory about the Smoke Monster
Aw crap, I got to go to work in a couple of minutes, but this felt like a big deal at 5:30 this morning while I was showering. It might be a spoiler, so I'm typing it in white letters and you have to click and drag to read it. But in thinking about what the Smoke Monster might be, I was going over in my head things he'd said like "My mother was crazy and that affected my whole life." And then it hit me... If he had a mother, then Smokey had a father too. And who else could be Smokey's father, except Jacob? And not only is Jacob the smoke monster's father (they both have these supernatural powers, after all), but he's probably the Devil. After all the time they've been saying that it's a great evil trying to get out into the world. Only, evil already exists in the world. Why? Because Jacob, like the Devil, is free to walk the earth already. Right?

And furthermore He's keeping a cork on hell, but he keeps on luring people onto the island. Why? I think it's just for his amusement. All this time, the Others (and Widmore for that matter) have thought they were serving on Jacob's side. But Jacob's purpose isn't to have people on his side. His purpose is to lure people to the island so they can fight among each other and then kill each other off. The Others are as much a bunch of dupes and suckers in Jacob's plans as the Losties of 815 are. Jacob's the reason women can't have kids there on the Island (since they obviously could back in the Dharma 70s--in fact they end up with supernatural powers like Miles did). This was Jacob's way of tricking the Others into a conflict with the survivors of Flight 815. They're forced to kidnap the children of others in order to keep their numbers up. That's how Jacob got them to instigate a conflict with the crash survivors, kidnapping them, doing experiments on them, making them build runways... all because Jacob needed them to have something to fight over.

Jacob's son, the Smoke Monster, probably the Devil's son, is just tired of the bullshit.
The saddest part about him is that he probably already IS home right there at the Cork of Hell. And why does Jacob do all this? I think it's his nature. As the Devil said in Paradise LOST... (Thump. Bad Robot!) "Myself am hell."
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:16 AM
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1. Jacob
????
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 07:39 AM
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2. Right, Jacob
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:39 AM
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3. interestng
I've been seeing it as a sort of Job story (or Trading Places, where Jacob and MiB have this wager going on the nature of humanity, and the bet is probably something stupid like a coconut).
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Duval Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 09:49 AM
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4. Say what? LOL! n/t
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:36 PM
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6. Oh I like that one, too! Like a Bible-Gilligan mash up.
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BethCA66 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:52 PM
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8. Me, too with the Job thing. Or Jobs and Adobe. I haven't decided. n/t
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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 10:10 AM
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5. I think ....
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 10:12 AM by charlie and algernon
I think that MIB is the devil. The devil gives you everything you want, thinks people are naturally evil. Jacob gives everyone on the island a Tabula Rosa and free will to decide their own lives. In the bible, the devil tempts Jesus with unlimited power and riches, while God, Jesus' own Father, let's Jesus figure it out on his own. God DOESN'T send a multitude of angels to free His own Son from the cross.

At the end of Ab Aeterno (Richard's episode), MIB says "I just wanna leave. Let me LEAVE." When Jacob says that the island is a cork to keep Hell from escaping, what he means is that HE is the cork meant to keep MIB (the devil, hell, evil, malevolence) from leaving. That's why Jacob needs a person, a candidate to replace him. If it was just an island, God could have cameras or just install a "gate" over the island. Jacob IS the gate. So whoever replaces Jacob becomes THE gate to keep Locke/MIB from leaving.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 03:42 PM
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7. That makes sense. Only all that talk of being the "protector" of the island
It almost seems like the point is really keeping something out of the island (which was my previous theory, that the Island was actually the Garden of Eden and Smoky was the angel guarding it (a "security system") only he went crazy and now Jacob was the new guardian. The fall back on that was that Jacob was the angel guarding Eden and Smokey was the flaming sword.

What you theory leaves out is that Smokey was saying he had a crazy mother, like Aaron does now, and how that affected him all his life. If Smokey is Satan, how can he have a mother? But in Paradise Lost Satan did have a son by a crazed demon who was also his daughter.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:05 PM
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9. Check out this page and see if this guy seems familiar
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BethCA66 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:07 PM
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10. Jacob actually steals people's free will
Edited on Fri Apr-16-10 04:07 PM by BethCA66
He stalks them, gives them the magic Jacob touch, and *poof*, they're island bound. I don't see Jacob as such a great guy.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 06:29 PM
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12. OR it could be argued that his touch does not bring them to the island
but protects them when they inevitably get there. It brought Locke back to life, and possibly did other healing effects to the others. Maybe he is outside of time, thus knows these characters will come, and his touch is not what brings them to the island at all.

Who knows?
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 08:33 AM
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16. i'm with you on this thought path. I'm thinking it's too obvious that
locke is evil. so I'm thinking the big switch up at the end is locke and jacob are both evil.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 04:53 PM
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11. My theory
The writers of LOST all get together and fire up a doobie or six, get stoned out of their effing minds and start talking about what would be really cool for next week's show, man.
Frankly I can't wait until it's over (though I'm still a little curious about the polar bears).
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 07:22 AM
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13. It's hard to believe they're going to be able to bring it together in four more episodes
It's been one hell of a ride.
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N_E_1 for Tennis Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:52 AM
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14. How is this for a final scene?
Edited on Sat Apr-17-10 11:07 AM by N_E_1 for Tennis
Jack, taking the place of Jacob - good, sitting on the beach gazing out over the ocean at an incoming ship, is approached by Sawyer, who sits next to him.

Idle chat, then Sawyer says " Ya know Jack, some day I'm going to kill you."

Sawyer then rises up and walks away, leaving Jack saying to himself, barely audible put understandable, "I know."

Fade to the Lost logo and finish.

This would be like the scene where we "first" met Jacob and the Mib.

As life goes on, so does time - little is changed, but the players.

EDIT- Sorry I hit the post button instead of preview.

Why, these two?

Jack is the "tortured" good guy - good but always doubting himself, much as Jacob seemed. Wanting to fix things, looking to make them better. Succeeding ? Not in his mind. So undaunted he continues to try.

Sawyer is the "likable" bad guy - always wanting to find an escape from the Island but never achieving that goal. He has never been off the Island since he arrived, I suppose he cannot leave.
He has come close many times but is thwarted time and time again.

A classic tale of the eternity of good v. evil

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charlie and algernon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 09:19 AM
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18. Doesn't Sawyer have to die first?
It actually does make sense, but doesn't Sawyer need to die first and I guess something would have to happen to FLocke, in order for MIB to take his form?
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 02:28 PM
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15. I never watched Lost, and the smoke monster is the reason.
I was planning to watch this show eventually because so many people I know are hooked, but then I saw a clip (maybe the only clip I ever saw) involving the smoke monster and I thought, "Wow, that looks really stupid."

I mean come on, really? Smoke monster?
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-19-10 08:50 AM
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17. Smoke Monster
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