** OFFICIAL L O S T SERIES FINALE AND RETROSPECTIVE THREAD **

T-Minus two hours until one of the great Television Series of all time ends.

Two Hour Retrospective - 7pm EST

Two and a half Hour Series Finale - 9pm EST

Jimmy Kimmel's Aloha to LOST - 11:30pm EST



Check out http://www.Televisionwithoutpity.com, they have a bunch of LOST feature stories on their front page.

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.... when....











Juliet asks Detective Sawyer out for coffee, dutch treat.

Sawyer ends up with Kate in the sideways world. Because if she doesn't she's going to prison for sure. Juliette may be Jacks first wife and maybe those two get together in sideways L O S T.

What did I miss?

SPOILER!























After she blows up the a-bomb, she gets all delirious in Sawyer's arms and, clearly time-tripping like Desmond & Daniel's other mice do, says to Sawyer "We should go get some coffee; We'll go dutch."

There are some TV conventions LOST can flout. But no way they could ever keep Sawyer & Juliet from having a happy ending together. They need to make the fans happy & give them that kind of closure. Jack's closure might involve Kate, or it might just involve being a better dad to his side-son. But Sawyer has to have Juliet, not Kate.

Maybe Kate can hook up with Hurley in this sideverse. I just assume everyone in the island universe dies

I thought their hookup was implausible anywhere other than a deserted island where they both had few choices.

Get in line ;)

i'm in line.

I was reciting the words right along with you.

Juliet will hook up with Ben. :D

if they die tonight, it'll mean they get a good life in the sideways-verse.

But I'm just not going to be able to do it. *siiiiiigh*

So I'm reading the scene-by-scene synopses on Lostpedia. Hulu's taking down all but the last five episodes after today. :(



I'm kinda sad. It's like I'm secretly wishing they'll come on and be like "AWWWWW GOTCHA, WE'RE COMING BACK."

: /

In a minute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-DShnvNNv0&feature=player_embedded

pretty good.. a bit biting... :rofl:

Is there any site where I can stream it. My connection is fairly good right now, but when I google this, I get a lot of sites that don't really look like they work right. Or sites that want me to sign up for things first.

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

:hi:

I have a feeling you'll need to do one of those sign up sites to view it live.

but shhhhhhhhhhh! I don't want my feed to get all wonky

:hide:

:woohoo:

:toast:

Hurley visits Walt and pays of his $30,000 backgammon gambling debt.

Remember when they first crashed on the island she was wearing a black shirt and he was wearing a white undershirt.

Man I'm really gonna miss this show. :( Six years. Watching Sun, Jin, Sayid - and maybe Lapids. Sniff. Six years. What a great show. Man I'm really looking forward to this - but hate to see it too - kind of like the end of a good book. Been great but here's the end...

"We're the good guys, Michael."

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You know, by the way, that the season finale is 2 and a half hours only because it's a 2 hour show (meaning 88 minutes) with an extra 30 minutes of commercials and promos stuffed in.


This cow ain't gonna make it in syndication, so they gotta milk it dry tonight.

they were showing LOST marathons on Mondays, so they may take it up again now that it's finished on ABC.

It's too serialized. Notice how Buffy the Vampire Slayer or X-Files don't make it as re-run shows. It's not a lack of quality, it's a lack of the "persuasion of continuity" in the format of the show.

IMHO

But LOST has never been the kind of show where you can click into any random episode and be able to pick up on what's going on. Either you're in for the long haul or you're, well, lost.

Which is the kind of TV I want to support. I hate short-attention-span theater. I like long, full-arc stories that unfold over years. But how often does a show come along that does it so well? Not very.

Lost does have a future. As far as a new audience is concerned, My Mom and a handful of others I know are interested in watching Lost, but they want to start from the beginning.

If SyFi continues the 4 hour block on Mondays, then it'll pick up new people like Star Trek did, but if Disney sends the episodes out of sequence, then all truly is Lost.

Lost is why DVD season sets were invented. This is a DVD show if there ever was one.

yep.

You know the one with the fake hatch door against the rocks where they kept Michael in a tent in Season 2? I think that's an important place and that hole in the rock that Walt told Michael about is going to be important for something, probably Smokey's final escape. I notice they worked it into the closing credits last week. That can't be a coinky-dink.

"Don't mistake coincidence for destiny"
      -- Mr. Eko

wow, so glad i'm watching the Recap,it's excellentlly done! got to go. recording on vhs and ditching the commercials

:rofl:

By Vincent.

Also they have Jacob say "You do this job (protect the island) for as long as you're able to."

I don't think Jack's gonna make it to the end of tonight's episode.

We needed Dick Cheney to teach us as a people how to parse language enough to see through devious ruses.

I think I am moving towards that camp that thinks everyone on the island dies, leaving the sideways-verse as the main timeline.

If it's to matter, the Island reality has to matter, even if that means all the people who died died...

But I'll be damned if I think I know what's going to happen.

"Jacob doesn't tell us anything"
"Yeah, he's worse than Yoda"


Going for a Star Wars theme tonight, I guess

Jack has to kiss Claire before swinging to safety thru a barrage of LAPD storm trooper fire (Ana Lucia again!)

:rofl:

I swear to God, if he kills them, I will scream

Damn!!

but they are setting her up to meet Sawyer

and yeah, she and Sawyer are going to make plans for a coffee date.

there's DriveShaft, jacks sons thing and Miles' thng.....

remember, Widmore said that his son wanted to combine rock with classical. So I bet David will be backing up Driveshaft

but who the frig is widmore's son? omg, so many details

I guess you picked up in the recap how the names are familiar with philosophers and scientists and artists.

vincent, faraday, hume. etc. etc.


I shoud have noticed instead of someone poking me in the eye with it

"As God is my witness, I thought polar bears could teleport"

A great scene with Sun and Jin.

I'm so glad Frank lives - when the sub blew up, my SO said "Frank's not dead - they'll need the pilot". He was right

i knew that mofo was still kickin. he's like the universal constant for Lost - he was supposed to be on the Oceaninc 816, then flew the second flight so he has ties to both flights, the regular world, and the island. He's the island's version of Planck's constant - Planck Lapidus! :rofl:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant

One person tranquilized? This is sure movin' slow.

it would be funny if at the end of the finale, no one else has died, lol

:D

why do I think that's the eventuality? Jack gets his memory back and kills old Locke.

Wow and Richard has a gray hair!

"there's always the chance I could kill you"

Of course I was dating his ex wife, but the principle still applies

Aaawwww....then they both spoke English

and boone!

Complete surprise.... and a welcome one :D

two timing Sayid. lol

And she's uh, married to his brother. :shrug: He's a killer, not a homewrecker.

The fact that a sizeable number of ADULTS -- often well-educated and over-paid -- obsess on this perils-of-Pauline-type series written by lazy writers who clearly are winging it week after week --

well, it's just another sign of civilization's collapse.

Talk about "defining deviancy down." :eyes:

GROW UP, PEOPLE!

Quote The Helper... "Blow Me"

Just because MSNBC is a 24 hour news station, doesn't mean you need to watch it all that time.

If the show has taught me anything, it's don't sweat the ankle biters.













No, wait, it was teaching 10th graders that taught me that. Nevermind. Swat away to your heart's content.

I'm enjoying the show too much to be distracted

Rather than annoying your brothers and sisters when they're having some down time?

Bless your heart, you be sure to let me know when your next novel is published or screenplay is being produced.

:eyes:

Just a suggestion.

and it's coming for yout smalll!!!! :evilgrin:





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaqbyekJHHs&feature=related

He's just grayer than he was 35 years ago.

my box decided to reboot itself right in between that..

Claire apparently started having labor pains and made a dash for the ladies room. Kate followed her- I think she gets to deliver Aaron again.

started having contractions and went to the bathroom, followed by Kate.

On island, no way to describe it, but Des went down the yellow brick liquid road and pulled out the cork.

Why couldn't the Others have babies on the island?

Also, that's not how you have babies at concerts.

you're not supposed to ask that many questions, lol

If she ain't strapless, you can't see her guns.

I am.

I am yelling at the TV a lot though..

kind of surprised me

:wow:

hell of a fight that was.

like garlic to a vampire, or steaks or something . lol.

Or was it just because he remembered old Jack? Did the nature of reality change during his operation?

all those people who died are still dead.

There's a little bit of Santa splattered on all of us.

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which appears not to have been "real" with Jack not really having a kid and all. i haven't read anything bout it - just finished watchin actually - and it's the only thing that makes sense. Maybe the flash-sideways parts were their chances at redemption - Jack fixed Locke's spine, Sun and Jin got to trust/love each other and be together again, Ben got to teach instead of Jacob always keeping him in the dark, etc. And maybe they did live life in this sideways reality for a good while - Christian said there was no time there, and Ben and Hurley seemed to have lived full long lives on the island judging by their "Number One" and "Number Two" comments - hell Ben might not even be dead yet since he never went inside - maybe he's Richard-ish now. I do agree that the main LOST reality is the one that truly continues. Sun, Jin, Sayid, Juliet, Charlie, Shannon, Boone, Jack, Michael (wow he must have pissed off the writers something fierce to not even get a mention in the finale), Anna-Lucia, Charlotte, Daniel, Rouseau, Alex, Whidmore, and probably some I'm forgetting - all died on the island. Locke died when Ben killed him in Season 4. Kate, Sawyer, Lapidus, Miles, Claire, and Richard all made if off on the plane and survived. I'm assuming Hurley and Ben sent Desmond home using either the donkey wheel or the boat Sawyer and crew used.

Man I hope we haven't seen the last of this show. I know the writers say we have, but I think there is more story to tell - maybe centered on Hurley and Ben protecting the island. Great ep, great show, sad to see it go.

if you are into the couple thing. the programmed thing.


but yah, so complimentary to each other so many ways to learn the others ways.


yeeeeeeha1

No one saw that one coming. Aaron has two mommies.

United Theological Seminary. They not only have a concentration in "justice and peace", but "theology and the arts." Well, I just discovered that a graduate of that particular concentration was none other than one of the main writers for Lost (as well as Six Feet Under). He was a presenter for the seminary's spring symposium. I'd always thought there was a real theological underpinning to the series, in terms of exploration of metaphysical and spiritual questions and that was always intriguing to me. I got a real kick out of finding that out.

Eat it, Jews and Scientologists! The Unitarians run Hollywood now! Bwa-ha-ha!

stands for United Church of Christ (generally a liberal, progressive denomination) and not Unitarian. However, that particular seminary, even though affiliated with and run by the United Church of Christ, is ecumenical and does not have a "doctrine requirement" whereby you're required to agree with a particular doctrinal statement before attending. This means that there are, indeed, some UU students there. Again, though, I don't know the denomination of this particular writer.

Apparently neither could Ben

heh-heh. He's a "number two"

why didn't they shoot the last church scene before 'Walt' grew to be a six footer?

Instead it's much easier to give him the Chuck Cunningham treatment.

Ahhh...all those spinning plates come crashing down into treacle.

gonna take awhile to process THAT

the early scheduling issues. Came back for the final season, found I had missed too much. Tuned in tonight for finale. A question:

Could someone please explained what just happened?

Suzanne Pleshette in a snowglobe. But it was pretty.

gathering of the dead.

they all die as a result of the original plane crash and they've been in limbo ever since, waiting to move on? Or, did they go to the church to wait after each one died on the island?

Also, at the end, where was the airplane pilot and the guys that were with him? James, Kate, and Claire were at the church but those others were not.

Helps me for damn sure.



No, they didn't all die. Frank, Sawyer, Kate, Claire, 170 year old Richard, and of course Miles all lived. They died later, but you only see them in the afterlife because there's no "now" in heaven. And they all came together in the sideways universe because they helped each other and needed each other on the island.

It's a story about love. That's something Damon Lindelof has been saying since season 1

so did your explanation. I kinda figured there was some intervening time. So, I'm guessing Ben didn't move on and that Hugo died on the island?

He didn't die.

i took away the same thing from the show. Desmond lived too - Hurley likely got him off the island on the boat Sawyer and co used to switch islands or w/ the donkey wheel. But yeah, that's why you see them all at the end - some died years in the past, some not for years to come. Very cool

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/3/36/20081125022235!FrozenDonkeyWheel.png

you need to go back trough and watch the earlier eps. To say anymore would be an injustice to this excellent show. Go back and watch from where you left off up til now. Seasons 4 and 5 were especially awesome. :evilgrin:

two white men 'Christians/Sheppards/;, ain't that always the way.
the women were side show fuckables or doting in some way or other, really, but thats the way the way goes in media to support that thing.

but anyway its still one of the best tv there is/was, and there aint that many that I know about.

dissapointed tho, not for theway it ended, but a big Hurly guy dude replaced by a big hurly Gal dude just woulnd't cut it, would it?

and you are not well endowed.

I think they intended to step away from that narrow minded interpretation with the
rose window and all the diverse religion iconography in the room. It was hard to miss.

.. which if it was big fat gal... well y'all know she would have been killed way back.
and the women were... making babies, enticing, trying to act sexy or something or other generally 'unchristian' like

it was a mans show, as they all are, but I still liked it

Showed other religious symbols, not just christian ones. Good catch.

Although in my sideways-reality - mine looks like -->

and the women were there for fuckability or domesticalicty while those men went out in the wilds to do right by everyone. Too bad that french woman was offed so soon... but, yes, thats that way it's wrote. fuck them to submissiveness or kill them off.

How is that playing into the stereotypes?

(And FWIW, if I had to hook up with anyone, it would be those two, but in a world of pretty people, Jorge Garcia and Michael Emerson are not in the same universe, lookswise.)

...by something I mean ANYTHING.

satisfied with the ending. And the main beef I have is with the gathering of the dead at the end of the episode. I assumed that we were watching parallel universes coming together or something like that, and I would have been satisfied with that. But when it was revealed, through the conversation with his father, that Jack's dead I said out loud, You've GOT to be kidding me! I was actually pretty OK with the episode up until those last few minutes.

The point is that while they were alive, they loved each other. That is what lived on after them. I think it's beautiful, even if we don't find out what happened to create the Hurley parrot.

reaction. I'll definitely be taking the time in the next couple of days to read other reactions and explanations. I wanted to leave the series with a positive feeling so I'm hoping my opinion softens. The heaven-like gathering just doesn't speak to me so that could be a factor in my reaction.

Wasn't happy with the ending. And so much island stuff was left unexplained. But when it was revealed that they were all dead, and waiting to "move on," I just shook my head. However, my opinion has already softened a little in reading this thread. I'll give it a day or two.

That was as good as Willem Dafoe in Platoon.

Jack: But I did leave you, Dad. That's just the trouble. And I tried to get back for days and days.

Jack's Dad:There, there, lie quiet now. You just had a bad dream.

Jack: No.

Hurley: Sure. Remember me, your old pal, Hurley?

Jack: Oh.

Locke: And me, Locke?

Kate: You couldn't forget my face, could you?

Jack: No. But it wasn't a dream. It was a place. And you were dead there - and you were dead there - and you - and you were dead there.

Sawyer: Oh, Jack!

Jack: Oh, Toto Vincent!

(Cue music: Sommmmmewherrrre, Ovvver the Rainnnnnbow!)

Excellent summary, MC!

this is getting big, let's continue it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=9375212&mesg_id=9375212

I guess Nash Bridges was the pinnacle of their ability.