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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:46 PM
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Dailykos.com is anti John Kerry .He claims to do "technical work" for Dean
Perhaps by "technical works" he means "political hack job on main Dean opponent."

"5. John Kerry
I've got nothing. Sorry. It's as if there's a media blackout on his campaign." -Dailykos.com Oct. 8

Ok, this is the second time in a row Mr. Kos has given Kerry a down arrow despite receiving the endorsements of the Firefighters and Jeanne Shaheen who is without a doubt the most coveted endorsement of the campaign. Kos described Kerry's endorsements last week as "meaningless."
Kos complains this week of a 'media blackout.' This is simply false.

Last Friday, the NY Times lead with a description of Kerry's speech at the DNC here: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/04/politics/campaigns/04DEMS.html

Reuters today referred to Iowa as being a tight 3 way contest quoting Iowa gov. Tom Vilsack, ``I think people are underestimating Kerry,'' Vilsack said. The decorated Vietnam veteran has attracted broad support, particularly from veteran's groups, he said.``Maybe they don't jump up and down and hoop and holler at events, but they're there,'' Vilsack said.http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-politics-iowa.html

The Boston Globe today has an article that's exculsively about Kerry in Iowa having an impromptu debate with a Republican at a campaign event.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2003/10/08/kerry_voter_have_mini_debate/

So to claim his endorsements "meaningless" and this week that there is a "media blackout" seems to show he is a)not paying attention, b)politically naive c) a rabid Dean supporter intent on damaging Kerry as much as he can since this is pretty clearly a race between Kerry and Dean at this point, OR, d) all of the above.

I'd have to say the answer is d) all of the above, wouldn't you?




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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:51 PM
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1. I'd like to point out
that I subscribe to two google news search terms: "Howard Dean" and "John Kerry". I haven't gotten anything regarding "John Kerry" for a week. I get a "Howard Dean" notice about once every two days.
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ModerateMiddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:54 PM
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3. Your search engine might be broken
Cuz there have been a number of articles.

:shrug:
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:46 PM
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29. Nope, Google seems to be working just fine
though the news.gooogle.com subscription service is in beta.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:55 PM
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4. Go to newstrove.com and type in John Kerry, there are 2-3 unique articles
everyday that are about him or at least describe something about his camapaign. Google news alerts are, as we all know, not neccessarily the final word on the matter.
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ModerateMiddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:54 PM
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2. I suggest another option
I think Kos has a right to have a preference in this race, just like anyone else does, the fact that he runs a very popular blog notwithstanding. No one gives up their right to participate however they want to in the political process just because they put up and maintain a popular site. He owes nothing to Kerry.

However, I also noticed (I had taken a brief hiatus from the Kos blog in protest - like anyone cared - of the outrageous treatment many of the candidates were receiving at the hands of the posters there) that the general tone about Kerry has changed. Sure, there are still the Dean (and probably some Clark) supporters who completely dismiss Kerry as a candidate. But a number of folks have mentioned that Kos has Kerry listed way too low, and that folks are underestimating his staying power - and the value of the strong supporters he does have.

I do agree that Kos has drunk deeply of the Dean Koolaid. But that's his right. I think he genuinely wants to see the Dem Party be more responsive to the people, and be able to get them involved as Dean has done.

I like your quote from Vilsack about Kerry:

<b>I think people are underestimating Kerry,'' Vilsack said. The decorated Vietnam veteran has attracted broad support, particularly from veteran's groups, he said.``Maybe they don't jump up and down and hoop and holler at events, but they're there</b>
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:58 PM
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8. Good Point. I thinkKos is drunk on Dean Koolaid as well.
Or, more likely, fat on Dean waffles.

More seriously...if you are going to "cover" all the candidates at least do it fairly. I don't expect that Kerry should always be at the top or getting "up" arrows. But, come on. He deserves something for the comeback he has made over the last two weeks or so. This is, afterall, clearly a two man race at this point anyway.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 06:27 AM
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27. Dean Koolaid is right

It's been a little sad watching Markos amble into that political blind alley. But as long as he keeps tabs and critiques Bush for the right reasons, I'll keep reading. I gave up on taking his candidate rankings, let alone the "input" posts, serious long ago, though. Beltway Washington knows Northeastern liberals and Midwestern Democrats well but misunderstands the Western ones, Kos is the converse- he understands the Western and Midwestern ones well but doesn't get Northeasterners right.
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Bozola Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:55 PM
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5. Suuuuuuure. Yeah, he's Dean all the way....
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 04:27 PM by Bozola
Do a www.whois-service.com for DailyKos.com


Now do a whois for DraftClark.com


edited out.


This has a REAL BAD stench to it.

Disclaimer: I am a Dean supporter.

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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:58 PM
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9. Huh?
'Kos was one of the original Draft Clark folks. In a nutshell, he got sick of waiting and was offered some work with the Dean campaign.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:02 PM
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11. Kos has a disclaimer that states that he does work for Dean
Edited on Wed Oct-08-03 04:03 PM by DJcairo
Registering domain names for Clark and Dean both doesn't surprise me. He consistantly rates Clark over Kerry, too. Even though Clark really is not very far in his campaign and has shown no real support in Iowa and little in NH to date. He's also only got about $3.5 mil, granted he's raised it fast, but that's nothing compared to the over $20 mil Kerry and Dean have raised.
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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:07 PM
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15. You might have noticed
that much of the media, supported by polling data, agree with 'Kos about it being A Dean Clark race. I think they're wrong. I agree that Kerry is being 'misunderestimated', but 'Kos is hardly alone in his assessment of the race.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:07 PM
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14. Bozola: by the way your post is illegal
Read the terms of whois. You are not to post this information in public forums. The Dean freaks on his blog did this to me and got an ear full from my lawyer. I wouldnt' recomend it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 12:18 AM
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 03:57 PM
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7. I'd say the media in general is keeping Kerry news on ice.
He's much too damaging to Bush.

I have long noticed that the WIDESPREAD corporate media attention on a couple other candidates and the rare acknowledgement of Kerry is intentional.
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:00 PM
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10. I don't think Kerry is Howard Dean's main opponent DJ
as much as the Kerry campaign has been trying to make it that way. And damning the Kerry campaign with faint praise is hardly the same as mounting a "political hatchet job". If you want to talk political hatchet jobs then read what Kos says about Wesley Clark.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:05 PM
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12. Who would you suggest is Dean's main opponent?
If you'd say Clark, I'd have to ask you based on what? Media gossip? Clark is a distant 3rd in NH and nowhere in Iowa. He's also nowhere is most other early states including SC. He's raised a little money very quicky and has a flashy campaign team. But, there is nothing yet to suggest he is seriously endangering the chances of any of the leading candidates to date.
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:06 PM
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13. George W. Bush
is Howard Dean's main opponent.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:08 PM
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:28 PM
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17. Well, no DJ
We are perfectly aware that there is a primary campaign still to be won. We do, however, believe that a mixture of hard work, a strong candidate and innovative campaigning will see us through to the end. It has, after all, worked thus far as the nomination is now Howard Dean's to lose.

The people who will vote in the primaries want to know one thing, above all others, about a candidate: How do you plan to beat George W. Bush? Unlike the othe candidates, who mostly claim biography, Howard Dean has a plan to beat George W. Bush.


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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:54 PM
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19. Clark Is Only Up In National Polls
Where most people are looking at thumbnail sketches of the candidates. They hear 4 star general and it makes for a nice contrast to AWOL boy. Iowa and NH people are much more involved in the process at this point in time, and I find their opinions much more significant.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:49 PM
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18. I Have Noticed This, Too,
In his current candidate ranking, Gephardt and Edwards come ahead of Kerry, partly due to Kerry's slow news week.

But it's a blog, for cryin' out loud. He mentions he has done work for the Dean campaign. Nothing illegal, immoral, or underhanded about it.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 04:56 PM
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20. I Noticed An Anti-Kerry Bias For Awhile
I have nothing against him supporting Dean, but he should support him honestly. Cutting down the other candidates is not going to make Dean any taller.

I also think Kos is way too invested in poll-gazing, but that's another story.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 05:06 PM
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21. Kos is a hack, and 98% full of shi'ite
He does the same thing to all the candidates who aren't Dean. His bias is so overwhelming, I don't even bother going there anymore. And Steve Gilliard (Kos alum) is also a putz, who crybabies about the Greens everytime the 2000 election is brought up.

I've almost completely stopped reading the so-called "liberal" blogs. If I want some straight, white, upper-middle-class, limousine liberal yuppie's opinion about how "victimized" he is, I'll go to the nearest Starbucks.

:grr::grr::grr:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 06:09 PM
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22. Hmmmm.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 06:50 PM
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23. Cool! How techie you are!
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 07:49 PM
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24. I Still Don't Understand How Fetishistic Dean People Are
About that quote.

You don't see me endlessly talking about Dean "relishing the idea of getting mouthy with Kerry."

Or "Oh well, I tend to believe the President."

Or Joe Trippi teaching his friggin' dog anti-Kerry tricks.

What is it with these Dean people?

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-09-03 09:06 AM
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28. Bullshit!
Day in. Day out. Thread after thread after thread.

It's funny how Kerry's supporters mirror his infatuation with Dean. It's like Republicans and Clinton, lol.
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-03 09:20 PM
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25. it's a blog
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