Just what will it take to get it through your heads that the vast majority

of Dean supporters will support our nominee no matter who it is? Evidently polls and threads were we say that aren't cutting it. Please let us know just what we can do in that regard.

someone just felt like kicking up an old post to pour salt in the wounds here (and I acknowledge there are wounds on more than one side)....
the poster who did this is not worth our time (and I don't care if that is violating the rules or not).

Who said that the votes of his supporters "aren't transferrable".

I disagree but Dean started this story.

is that they aren't transferable simply by him asking. There is a difference.

I don't even understand the arrogance of that statement. It's just bizarre. I can't understand any candidate who would even enteratain the idea that his supporters wouldn't vote for the Democratic nominee. It should never have been said, never.

What he said was that he couldn't just ask them to do so and have that work. It is amazing, first we get criticised for being cultists and when we show signs of not being in a cult (ie not just blindly listening to Dean) we are considered disloyal. The fact is that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again we have said WE WILL SUPPORT THE NOMINEE NO MATTER WHO IT IS . I don't know what clearer, more concise words we could use. BTW have you ever said you would vote for the nominee? I have over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I'm not talking about what you said, I'm talking about Dean's attitude. "They love me and I can't ask them to stop". That's cultish.

this is the actual quote; dissect!

I really do believe — and I think about this — I want to get this nomination, and if I don’t . . . these kids are not transferrable. I can’t just go out and say, ‘Okay, so I didn’t win the nomination, so go ahead and vote for the Democrats.’ They’re not going to suddenly just go away. That’s not gonna happen.”

with that statement. Noone is more spiritually connected to his supporters than Kucinich and he would NEVER make a statement like Dean's.

Kerry has no more control over his supporters than Dean does. Dean has said that he will endorse and support the Dem nominee, and that he would ask his supporters to do the same. That's all that he can do within his power. He has no control over whether I vote for the Dem nominee or not- just as Kerry doesn't have any control over whether you pull the Green lever if Dean is our guy. (not saying that you will, just pointing out the obvious- that Kerry can't prevent you from doing so)

ALL of our candidates have said they will support the eventual Dem nominee.

And Dennis has said that he will not run as an independent. Those threads are worthless too.

Some people are hell bent on believing what they want.

are consistently painted as fanatical and equivalent to cultists. I can't explain why. It was one of the reasons why I renounced Dean. All the hate against him and his supporters was overwhelming. They now have the duty to convince me there is someone better.

with his little rose garden dog and pony show that got us into this mess?

which is what I presume your post is.

Interesting experiment.

will vote for the eventual democratic nominee. I do ? if certain Dean haters who will be nameless but whose goal on DU seems to be to post on a daily basis anti-Dean threads and material will actually vote for Dean. Yet it is the Dean supporters who are questioned about the our loyalty.

Every single one I know intends to support the party's nominee in November 2004 regardless of who it is; I don't know where all this stuff about Dean supporters staying home if Howard doesn't get the nod comes from, frankly. :shrug:

when asked if he would run as an independent, that he wouldn't because the most important thing is getting Bush out. We all want that, and most of us would vote for a ham sandwich to accomplish it. So I don't know where it comes from either. But in the meantime, It's a nice day. I think I'll write a few letters to Iowa.

For the record I believe that the vast number of people here that are Dean supporters will vote for the eventual nominee, but that's not what I'm seeing out in the real world. I'll give a couple examples:

1. I was speaking at a local Young Dems. club and while I was talking, Dean supporters sent stickers down the aisles. Basically, the Dean supporters couldn't let anyone else speak for 5 minutes without making a point of putting on a Dean sticker. I was invited to the meeting, yet I was treated as an outsider.

2. A very involved member in the Democratic Party Meetup (not a Kerry support beyond ABB,) went to each candidate's board and requested representatives from each candidate attend the Dem. Meetup. Kerry, Clark, Gephardt, Kucinich, and Edwards were represented and passed out lit, but he was sent an email by the local Dean rep. saying that if you wanted to learn about Dean that people should show up at their functions and they wouldn't be bothered. The email was forwarded to me and I'm cleaning it up to sound as nice as possible to Dean supporters. It was condesending at best.

I hate to sound cheesy, but a little more openness would go a long way. I don't dislike Dean's platform and will vote for him, but I think that some of his first time volunteers are letting their new roles get to their heads.

nominee. We're pretty committed to getting rid of Bush.

The Dean campaign is all about throwing sharp elbows. They can expect some of it back. That's the way it goes. Don't worry about it.