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AmericanErrorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:10 PM
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Gore to abandon Liberal News at Newsworld International
Former Vice President Al Gore and a group of investors have plans to launch an all-news channel, but it won't be up as a liberal alternative to Fox News. Instead, it will be aimed at the under-25 crowd.

"Liberal TV is dead on arrival," said an insider advising Mr. Gore and his team. "You just can't do it."

The proposed news network will be positioned as "a professional news operation reaching an aware, younger, hipper audience," the adviser said, characterizing it as a combination of CNN and MTV. "The station will try to reach a younger market."

That's likely to make it more enticing to advertisers who were wary of plunking down ads on a network aligned with a particular political party.


http://www.tvweek.com/topstorys/101303algore.html

A Double Whammy for fans of the old Newsworld. No Liberal outlook, and the international newscasts will be gone....
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:15 PM
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1. That really sucks
But I guess it just goes to show you that Big Business runs EVERYTHING and they are scared what might happen if the "common" man ever gets a voice in how things are.
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terrisel Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:30 PM
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3. I think Gore is making a wise move.


Apparently the young people don't watch the jowly old rightwingers and the middle aged slickster rightwingers having their screaming fits.

Who watches the guy you all call Tweety--what are the audience demographics ? or the one with the old harrumphing guy at the roundtable. Is he still on? If so, why?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:15 PM
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2. Double Whammy, Indeed.
Corporate Media = Corporate Media.
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zubeneshamali Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:33 PM
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4. Gore gives up without a fight
Let's faux news win without so much as a slap in their face.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:55 PM
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14. It's so like the recount court case
Half-hearted and flaccid.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:43 PM
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5. news
Don't knock it yet. There is no rule that says older folks can't watch. If the younger crowd watches, they will tell their parents and that way the viewing audience will tune in. It is a step be it a small one but I think it will work.
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:43 PM
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6. how about just telling the TRUTH!!!!!!
Give us the stories the rest of the networks wont cover, for Christ sakes! You will have a frigging HUGE audience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Is there anyone in the media with a brain?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:43 PM
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7. Gore - never believed in himself.
From changing the location of his campaign office, to the earth tone clothes, to listening to Karl Rove's buddy, Donna B., to following Karenna's advice re: Joe Lieberman, to not fighting harder in Florida ("Get out of Cheney's house") to the decison not to run in 2004 as not to re-open old wounds - I used to really admire Al Gore but now I can't stand him.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:48 PM
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8. Wow, I thought it might take a couple years
...for the free-marketeers to ditch the 'liberal' agenda.

If what they say is true, this network will produce idiots that may make Ann Coulter seem sane.

In place of the old NewsWorld will be an infantile news-as-fashion corporate propaganda machine where consumerism will be considered unassailable.

No offense: Al Gore is smarter than Bush, but he is a Tyro compared to Turner or Murdoch. He is powerful enough to be dangerous and dull enough to kill NewsWorld.

FUCK

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zubeneshamali Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:52 PM
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9. So, it's come to this?
<I>"Liberal TV is dead on arrival," said an insider advising Mr. Gore</I>

So now the Freep is advising AlGore?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:15 PM
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11. I thought Gore was Through with "advisors"!
This Reeks to high hell!
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:30 PM
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13. The DLC Democrats are Reaganite plants
They have turned the Democratic Party into the good-public-relations wing of the neocon movement.

People here on DU keep bringing up the evidence and pointing this out, but to many more here everything the Democrat brand-name touches also cleanses. Witness that 'Total Information Awareness' creep Wesley Clark who wanted to work for Rove a few months ago, tripping over himself to supply POINDEXTER with every last scrap of our personal data; This is Clintonite politics post 9-11.

Every major policy change during Clinton's tenure was a Right-wing victory: Welfare reform, Media deregulation, DOMA, Don't Ask Don't Tell, NAFTA, etc. Meanwhile we're all feeling sorry for Bill because Rush Limbaugh hates him. Big F-ing deal! Don't you think the wealthy know that to keep the media right-wing they have to constantly accuse it of being too liberal?? The same goes for presidents who get the first-lady to put on a little socialized healthcare sideshow.

How sad and lobotomized the Left is in this country. They can't even say the word 'socialism' without cringing at the idea of extremist, totalitarian regimes. They don't believe in their own supposed methods when the nation is found wanting for accurate news. If it's outside the commercial realm, it's virtually unimaginable (or boring, or outdated, etc. misc. excuses).

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 07:59 PM
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10. Oh Shit! Of course, you Can do it! Balooney!
I haven't read all the details..cause I was so looking forward to
this..I'm just pisst right now.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-03 08:20 PM
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12. Okay! I've read it now.....
"If there is any transparency to Gore, then it will be identified as a partisan operation, which will alienate advertisers," said the sales executive"!!!!!!

What about the advertisers of fauxsux?

THis article sux...

But if that's what it takes to get started then so be it..I got two words..

Jon Stewert!:kick:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 12:29 AM
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15. Remember too, that as an upstart "network",
Edited on Tue Oct-14-03 12:30 AM by SoCalDem
they will have to fight to even be included in the cable line-up.:(..

I was so hoping for a format like CNN-I.... or plain ole cronkite style.. a person, a desk, and the truth.. That's all I ever wanted..

And some investigative reporting projects that maybe were serialized.:(

Well I guess I won't need dish tv after all..

Adelphia will not carry Gore-tv, and it seems like I woulnd't be missing much anyway..

MTV/NEWS..no thanks !
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-03 01:12 AM
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16. a person a desk and the truth
how i would love that, too. an unvarnished approach. and with entertainers who are charismatic as well as thoughtful, it could be great. can you imagine having folks on like tim robbins, susan sarandon, martin sheen, fraken. who wouldn't watch?

i'm really sad that it's not going to be persued. but i'll watch whatever does get developed, even though i certainly don't fit thier demographic.
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 04:13 PM
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17. Truth TV
Yes, it would be wonderful to have a CNN type channel that gave the truth in news. CNN doesn't. None of the other commercial networks do either. That is the main reason the MediaChannel web site was created, to point out the consistant bias of corporate commercial media.

Gore's channel won't fly if he is going to simply subscribe to the corporate commercial mandate. They won't let him tell the truth, just like they removed the latest Phil Donahue show from MSNBC.

Don't let that stop you from getting a DISH NETWORK dish however. DISH NETWORK has two wonderful channels to see the real world, FSTV and worldLink. Both are independent media channels without commercials. They do pledge for support from their listeners though - who else is going to support them?
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StlMo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 11:55 PM
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18. The BullShit of an alleged "insider" should not be mistaken for truth.

I anticipate a news channel that will oppose the corporate whoredom juggernaut.

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dfitzsim Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 01:36 PM
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19. Ummm ... didn't he win the popular vote?
"If you go out and say that you are a liberal network, you are cutting your potential audience and certainly your potential advertising pool, right off the bat."

Since we are capable of giving Gore, a liberal, a majority vote, it stands to reason that you have a sizeable audience that will watch liberal T.V. Hell, we PAY MONEY for NPR and PBS and they aren't even that good anymore.

Gore, baby, go liberal, go hard. Starched shirt, sitting at a desk, doing expose after expose followed by peices that tell you what you can do now that you are pissed.

:spank:

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alexwcovington Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 01:14 AM
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20. The CBC Newsworld is still around
and online at www.cbc.ca
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-03 09:13 AM
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21. they have to say that
remember, even fox, as conservative as you can get advertises its self as "fair and balanced". They don't go around saying "we're conservative TV". No, they say that they are middle of the road and that everybody else is the "liberal media". All they're doing is playing the game. don't get all depressed about it. It will happen and we'll have a look at it then and see what it's like. It's just one little step in the right direction but you have to start somewhere.
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insubordination Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 12:30 AM
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22. The real money is here...
Find the most neutral referee that you can that knows the issues, get that person to only stop meaningless ad homenim attacks, invive some smart people, and just let them duke it out without the hosts weighing in.....

Liberal or conservative, this formula would be great. The host weigh in, "now im going to tell you how it is becuase people tune in to see me" thing is old.
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javadu Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-03 01:36 AM
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24. Exactly Right
The quickest way to drive anyone on Fox batty is to call them conservative. They will deny and kick and scream and tout their slogan --- "Fair and Balanced." You should expect this to be the same.
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-03 05:42 PM
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23. perhaps
instead of having it be linked to just the democrats they should have had it funded by other left groups and parties too. also why didnt he just have it be a nonprofit, nongovernment, left wing channel.
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ReddishPinko Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 03:52 PM
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25. Al Gore=failure
If they are actually going to do this then this was a bad idea from the beginning. People under 25 don't vote in the numbers that people in other demographics do because they are apathetic and assuredly don't take the time to watch TV NEWS. Why gear a cable TV channel to the under 25's? Answer-$$$. We'll be out of power for the next 30 years but at least Al gets to retire wealthy.
They also messed up by letting the media define it as a liberal alternative to FOX. How pathetic? Now, instead of going forward with a message, they have to combat a misperception with a bad connotation.
That's what you get with Al Gore-all talk and no walk. Rank incompetence at getting an idea (provided the idea is discernable to begin with) out of even the first stages of implementation.
Can the man complete anything besides failure?
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 04:08 PM
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26. he did get more votes in the last presidential election
than the unelected fraud sitting in the white house by about half a million, so we know more people in the country support him and his ideas than the republicans and snorty mccokespoon. and with drinky mccdumbass having fucked up the country and the world royally in the last few years i'd bet money that there are probably a few million people who wish they had pulled his lever instead. I think he'll do just fine. he's succeeded at pretty much everything he's ever done where as the chimp is a miserable failure...who has only accomplished anything in life due to the tremendous generosity of his father and and his father's saudi oil buddies including the bin laden family. the truth will out...eventually.
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ReddishPinko Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 04:53 PM
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27. So what?
If snorty mccokespoon/drinky mccdumbass is in office because Al Gore blew it, what does that make Al Gore?
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:09 PM
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28. it means the entire country is being held hostile
eom
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ReddishPinko Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-03 05:42 PM
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29. It's time to face facts
Repeating a half truth over and over doesn't help. First off, there's something in the US Constitution called "The Electoral College" which Bush won because he did IN FACT win Florida. I'm tired of hearing this whole "stealing the election" bullshit. Gore got 300,000 more votes and it should not have even been close.
The next election we lose there will be some other load of crap reason that has nothing to do with the real reason-lack of leadership. Here's a conspiracy theory for you to dwell on-Who started the 'Bush stole the election' meme to begin with? Could it have been the same people who lost the election to cover their blunders.
Anyway, I realize I am sort of off topic so that's all I have to say.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-03 03:05 PM
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30. Gore shoulda won more than 300k?
in a Democrasy, 300K more votes means you win the election. I didn't know there was a handicap involved like in golf.
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