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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 10:53 AM
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FL: State Economists - Recession would hit hard
Recession would hit hard, state economists warn

The slump in Florida's economy is worse than expected, and the state would experience disproportionate pain in a national recession, economists warned.

Florida's economy, already slumping from a depressed real estate market and a sharp decline in sales-tax collections, would be hit hard if the country slides into a recession, state economic forecasters are warning lawmakers.

Real estate markets could take longer to recover, jobs losses may be more severe, and the state budget -- reeling from the loss of $4 billion in revenue in the span of just one year -- could face even bigger cuts, forecasters said. That's because the housing market has taken a bigger hit in Florida than in other states, and the impact has spread to retail sales and sales-tax collections, said Alan Johansen, director of the Senate Finance and Tax Committee.

Among their conclusions:

• Home prices have dropped more in Florida than in most other states.

• Housing starts have fallen to two-thirds of where they were two years ago.

• Home sales have plummeted 30 percent in 17 of the 18 major metropolitan markets.

• Total state-tax collections have declined for two consecutive years, a circumstance not seen since 1970.

''The current situation looks like what we would expect with a recession,'' said Johansen, a member of the state economic forecasting team. He told the Senate Finance and Tax Committee that at present there is no recession.

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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:04 AM
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1. The drop in housing prices due to the "Gold Rush"
egged on by "Flip this House" and "No Money Down"

"State-tax collections have declined for two consecutive years," and yet the state and county governments are flush with cash from the inflated housing prices; and, will only grant as much tax-pain relief for the poor as the can trickle down from saving the rich.

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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:46 AM
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3. And, thats not factoring in the disaster 'windfall' from the hurricanes
After some research, I discovered that many homeowners, particularly in south Florida, after hurricanes were unable to rebuild. So, the local governments set aside space for trailer parks. Years passes, developers targets trailer parks, same individuals are forced to relocate again.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 11:24 AM
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2. so says the Miami Herald which recently announced off-shoring design and copyediting.
may they burn in hell.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071228/newspaper_outsourcing.html

Miami Herald to Outsource Copyediting

Friday December 28, 2:47 pm ET
Executive Editor Says the Miami Herald to Outsource Some Copyediting, Ad Work to India

MIAMI (AP) -- The Miami Herald is outsourcing copyediting of a weekly community news section and some advertising production work to India, a newspaper editor said Friday.

Starting in January, copyediting and design in a weekly section of Broward County community news and other special advertising sections will be outsourced to Mindworks, based in New Delhi.

The project remains in the testing phase, so it was unclear if or how jobs in South Florida will be affected, Executive Editor Anders Gyllenhaal said.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:08 PM
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4. how to survive a recession
from the Guardian UK

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/jan/03/economics?gusrc=rss&feed=business

spend less money all around and don't take on debt is what it comes down to...
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:15 PM
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5. The U.S. working poor have been living in a recession waiting for reality in the mainstream and ...
and have few options.

The galloping housing boom drove up costs across the spectrum, while the working poor were saddled with slave wages and no escape. Households have both adults working 2-3 jobs to meet basic non-negotiable necessities (housing, food, clothing, gasoline, etc.).
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:00 PM
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6. recession
should help -- and housing prices are still outside of reality, so those who bought too much house or planned to flip will face further depreciation of their investments.

will this make rental prices more expensive? I don't know. I do know that interest rates are supposed to drop.

as far as working poor - no one has cared about them since Carter. There is so much that is wrong with the U.S. economy of, by and for the oligarchy that maybe people will actually eat the rich. :/

prices, however, should go down, if understand correctly....although with rising oil prices, maybe not. anyway, just thought it would be useful to post the Guardian's piece. Sorry the article doesn't address the inequity of laws, etc. for the working poor.

I do have to wonder how many working poor were gung-ho for Bush and tax cuts. Don't have any idea what the voting %s were for this group, but if they continue to vote for any republicans (voting one issue, generally, like abortion/stem cell, etc. they are helping to create their own hell on earth.

how do you reach this group to help them support candidates and laws that actually promote their interests?
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:20 AM
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7. the recession article is well thought out and informative ...
and I read it with great interest to share with anyone who will listen. Sorry my response appears to reject great advice.

Thomas Frank's "What's wrong with Kansas" and others have tried to answer the question of who is voting against their own interest. What will be more interesting to study is the mechanics of turning blue states red.
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