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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:49 PM
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Worst finance crisis since WW2 - Soros
Billionaire investor George Soros said the world was facing the worst financial crisis since World War Two and the United States was threatened with recession, according to an interview with the Austrian daily Standard.

"The situation is much more serious than any other financial crisis since the end of World War Two," Soros was quoted as saying.

He said over the past few years politics had been guided by some basic misunderstandings stemming from something which he called "market fundamentalism" - the belief financial markets tended to act as a balance.

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Asked whether he thought the United States was headed for a recession, he said: "Yes, this is a threat in the United States".

He added he was surprised how little understanding there had been on how recession was also a threat to Europe.

The Age
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:07 PM
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1. I was wondering where George was. I would love to hear him
weigh in on the Democratic perscription for the price of this illigal war.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:10 PM
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2. It is always good to know that our friends in Australia understand what is happening in the U.S. -
It's just too bad that most people in the U.S. don't.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:14 PM
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3. Not much of an article
for an example, what does Soros mean by "...as a balance"?
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:24 PM
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5. Soros says: Grave crisis forebodes
(bbj.hu) The most serious crisis since World War II is hanging over the US, with the likely recession to affect Europe as well, stated Hungarian-born stock market guru György Soros in the Monday issue of the Austrian liberal daily Der Standard.

The economic policy of the past few years has been formed by wrong decisions originating from “market fundamentalism,” the belief that the common interest is best served by individual decision-making and that attempts to maintain the common interest by collective action distort the market mechanism. There is not much to be expected from the economic stimulus package of $130 billion to $140 billion that was presented by President George W. Bush, either, Soros said. Now that the US restricted its guiding position by placing emphasis on military interventions, Europe has to take up a more active role in global affairs, said Soros at a podium talk in Vienna. At the same time, Europe has to refrain from any anti-US attitude, he added. (Napi Gazdaság, Gazdasági Rádió)

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:30 PM
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6. “market fundamentalism,” the belief that the common interest is best served by individual decision-m
... decision-making and that attempts to maintain the common interest by collective action distort the market mechanism.

thanks
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:34 PM
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9. What's REALLY sick about this
Is that the total selfishness model, and the assumption that everyone will act in his/her interests and screw everyone else came from

-John Nash- notable paranoid schizophrenic who was untreated at the time he developed this theory.

I love the work from the guy, Adam Curtis, who did The Century of the Self. When Nash's theory was tested on secretaries, it failed because none of them would only act in their selfish interests. I guess most people just aren't assholes enough for that. Maybe, oh, 5% of the nation are total and unremitting assholes? That's the same percentage of the wealthiest.

Democracy Now! had a good section Friday about how everyone else pays for the rich to screw us. you can watch/listen online.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:24 PM
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4. Soros is right about Europe
because they snapped up all those tranches of bad paper laundered by hedge funds that US brokerages and banks did. Plus, with the Euro overvalued, the giant sucking sound is their jobs now being sent to the far east.

If and when this thing happens, it will be worldwide.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 05:31 PM
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7. The Euro has nothing to do with delocalization
The jobs started leaving when we still had Lira, Francs, Marks, etc.

Jobs are still leaving the USA too.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 07:01 PM
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8. Fair enough
but the process is accelerating in Europe. The US has lost entire basic industries. We no longer have enough left to survive the next big war, let alone be on the winning side. We're like a big soap bubble, bright and shiny on the outside but full of nothing but hot air.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:47 PM
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10. European nations
have strong unions, unlike here. or stronger, at least. not only that, but they have used the cooperative method on certain products rather than competition so that, for instance, everyone across Europe can use the same cell phone service and get a better product at a better price.

You should read The United States of Europe to see ways that they have taken different routes than the cannibal capitalists here. Yeah, jobs go south, but those nations have generous unemployment packages, so it's not in the govt's interest to let companies make profits at the expense of the govt. The govt has to fund national health care, too, so the incentive for the govt is to regulate piracy to some extent. (of course this isn't always true...)

The Euro is overvalued because people have lost confidence in the dollar and the U.S. - because Bush wants to let the dollar fall so that the europeans can buy our stuff. the only thing I know of that europeans like that's made in america are blue jeans.

I just had to say something here because people in the U.S. have been predicting Europe's imminent economic disaster - through so many of our own that are just biz as usual (like the S&L crap.) This is a right wing talking point because they want Europe to look like a failure to Americans because Europeans have social democracies (at least in Northern Europe) that take care of their citizens. of course the repukes don't want that. I've never quite been able to understand why they don't want that... I suppose they are just full of hatred for others and greedy as fuck ...but of course, the cover story is the demise of Europe, the primacy of crony capitalism cause it's the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful economic system I've ever known in my life....
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