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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:38 AM
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This Looks Like a "Hinge Day" for the Markets
Not the percentage changes so much as the up-down measures:

- On the Amex, down volume is 50 times up volume!
- One the Dow, decliners lead advancers by 11-to-1!

Market Diary 
NYSE Amex Nasdaq
Total Volume 702,846,610 54,205,470 749,431,060
Up Volume 44,894,300 1,164,100 124,701,084
Down Volume 655,865,560 52,156,870 620,737,614
Advancing Issues 276 98 1,358
Declining Issues 3,039 748 9,559
Unchanged Issues 81 67 261

The indexes have all broken through major support levels as well. Look at the charts on this Clearstation link, which shows the major indexes as well as industry groups:

http://clearstation.etrade.com/cgi-bin/diary?Section=redge&Refer=/redge.html

If it's anything like this at the end of the day, no sensible technician can remain bullish. Added to seasonality, overvaluation, and impending interest rates hikes, it looks like a long road down.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:43 AM
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1. How far down would the regulators let the Dow...
Edited on Mon May-10-04 10:46 AM by whistle
...fall before they stop trading? Is it 500 points? If so they are half way there. Correction, a third of the way there.

Last Prev Change %Change

DOW JONES COMPOSITE AVERAGE 2,860.64 2,906.21 -45.57 -1.57%
Dow Jones 30 Industrials 9,960.07 10,117.34 -157.27 -1.55%
Dow Jones 20 Transportation 2,796.71 2,846.18 -49.47 -1.74%
Dow Jones 15 Utilities 263.98 267.61 -3.63 -1.36%
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:49 AM
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2. I Don't Think We're in Plunge-Protection Territory Yet
The numbers are not to bad for an individual day (only 1.5% change). It's just that the markets were already oversold and sitting near support levels. You would normally expect at least a small bounce at this point.

The movement downwards seems very decisive to me. We'll see.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:52 AM
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3. alot will depend
on the numbers coming out this week..could be a big sell off in the market with bad numbers and the fed being"forced" to raise interest rates...
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 11:18 AM
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5. At Some Point, the Inflation Numbers Have to Pick Up
there's no way they represent the cost of living. At least not any more.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 11:16 AM
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4. Is it a number drop or a percentage drop that suspends
trading? I thought they switched to a % once the DOW got so high several years ago.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 11:33 AM
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6. I Think It's a Percentage
but 1.5% used to be an every day occurence in 2000 when the markets were more volatile. I would be surprised if trading were suspended with less that a 5% drop.

Another indicator that's alarming is that the VIX, which is often used as an indicator of market sentiment, and which has been on an orderly decline for months, suddenly shot up over 10% today. That's a big move.


http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5Evix
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:31 PM
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7. 3% in either direction IIRC
there is no electronic trading allowed.
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rapier Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:17 PM
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8. notes
I'll only quibble with one thing.

" impending interest rates hikes"

The market has raised interest rates. From 90 day T bills to 30 year bonds rates are up as much as 1% this year. This obesession with Easy Al and his dicount/fed funds rate is a gigantic mistake. Screw Al. He doesn't control interest rates. He can influence them, with that influence dropping quickly as the term increases but the only rate he controls is the discount rate and overnight interbank Fed Funds rate.

I can understand why the public thinks he controls rates because that is what the media always says but for anyone with even a modicum of market savy, as you seem to have, believing such troubles me.

Stocks are a big deal but is is rates which are the big dog. This huge spike in rates has implications which are huge and the potential for a financial accident grows as rates continue to tick up.

Overall the rising rates spells an end to the liqidity machine which has run rampant for years, especially the last 3, and even 6. The credit binge is the biggest factor in our current 'growth'. Absent that, or a reversal spells trouble on a gigantic scale.

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:10 AM
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9. Correct on Interest Rates --
Edited on Tue May-11-04 10:12 AM by ribofunk
to be accurate I should have specified raising the Fed rates. Nevertheless, a change in the Fed rate does have a powerful effect on interest rates.

One Edit: And the big question is: how far will rates go up? A half-percent change is nothing. But usually they come in groups.
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