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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:47 AM
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U.S. and India complete nuclear deal
http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/international/ticker/detail/U_S_and_India_completes_nuclear_deal.html?siteSect=143&sid=8060219&cKey=1185545375000

WASHINGTON/NEW DELHI (Reuters) - The United States and India said on Friday they have completed negotiations on a nuclear cooperation deal that would offer enormous benefits for both sides.

But neither country gave details of the long-delayed, controversial accord and acknowledged critical steps must be taken before it can be implemented.

The pact, approved by India's cabinet on Wednesday, would allow India access to U.S. nuclear fuel and equipment for the first time in 30 years, even though New Delhi refused to join non-proliferation pacts and tested nuclear weapons.

"The conclusion of negotiations on this agreement marks a major step forward in fulfilling the promise of full civil nuclear cooperation as envisioned by President (George W.) Bush and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh," said the statement, issued by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Indian Foreign Minister Shri Pranab Mukherjee.

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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:51 AM
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1. They just love building bombs
Gee, I wonder how this sits with Pakistan, their "ally" in the war on terror?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 11:52 AM
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2. Pakistan is a target of terrorists...
Will India save the Pakistani from the terrorists with nukes?

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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:41 PM
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8. How many nuclear wars has India had. How much coal does India burn?
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 02:01 PM by NNadir
You couldn't care less about the second question of course.

Nor could you care less about the poverty in Mumbai either, which is why you think the problems there are amenable to $30,000 solar PV systems.

In 2004, India burned almost 500 million short tons of coal. This is up 100 million short tons in just five years.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/table14.xls

You couldn't care less.

India produced 43 exajoules of primary energy from coal.

You couldn't care less.

As for the tens of millions of people who die each decade in fossil fuel wars, you couldn't care less about that either.

You think you plant a tree with a few of your middle class friends and your moral responsibility for Mumbai is assuaged.

Oh, and by the way, half of the nuclear energy produced in the United States in the last decade came from old Soviet dismantled nuclear weapons. Al Gore negotiated the treaty under which that happy state of affairs took place.

You couldn't care less.

India has about 30 nulcear weapons, to which all the world objects. Your country has close to 10,000 nuclear weapons. If you're so concerned about states that have nuclear weapons, why not call for dismantling nuclear weapons beginning with your own country?

Oh in case you don't know what nuclear disarmament means, it means destroying the fissionable material therein. What Al Gore knows and what you couldn't care less about - is that this involves peaceful fissioning of said materials.

India will become a world leader in nuclear power technology. They know what it is to do without and it is inevitable that they will try to save themeselves from the things you couldn't care less about by using their large thorium resources.

They, in turn, couldn't care less what you think.




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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:45 PM
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9. No, India will become a world leader in nuclear weapons production
but you don't give a flying fuck about that rat's ass....
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 07:25 PM
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11. And I couldn't care less what you think...
Edited on Fri Jul-27-07 07:28 PM by RestoreGore
because you are a miserable person. And planting trees is nothing to dismiss. I would rather live near a grove of trees than a TOXIC nuclear plant or coal plant any day. And I have called for ALL countries including this one to dismantle their nuclear weapons. But you wouldn't know that because you are too busy being miserable.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:45 PM
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3. Good.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 12:54 PM
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4. A triumph for nuclear proliferation and neocon politics - not good
n/t
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:01 PM
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5. I don't see any relation between this deal and nuclear weaponry.
In particular, I don't see any reason to think that access to additional non-weaponized nuclear fuel is going to make it easier for India to pursue it's current nuclear weapons program.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:12 PM
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6. India used civilian nuclear technology to develop nuclear weapons
That's why the US and other nations have not allowed nuke tech sales to India since 1974.

The US has effectively destroyed international nuclear non-proliferation efforts.

This deal allows India to reprocess spent fuel for plutonium, test nuclear weapons and keep international inspectors out of their weapons program facilities.

Most importantly, it allows India to use *all* their domestic uranium for nuclear weapons. Until this deal, they had to use much of it for their power reactors. Now they can import uranium for their power reactors and use *all* of their domestic uranium for weapons.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 02:04 PM
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10. According to that article, auditing is a precondition for cooperation.
In other words, this deal is evidently not finalized:

But before cooperation can begin, India must negotiate an inspection regime for its nuclear facilities with the International Atomic Energy Agency and win approval from the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group.



Another thing I would add is that, assuming they want to dodge the auditing, and find a way to do so, refining weapons-grade material is difficult and expensive. Raw material isn't necessarily the limiting step.

On a more philosophical plane, I am disappointed with your repeated assertions that the only reason a country could possibly want nuclear fuel is to further their weapons program. Countries like India and Iran have a ton of rational motivations to acquire civilian nuclear power.

Furthermore, I reject the premise that countries like India and Iran are somehow inherently less responsible, and less capable of managing a deterrent nuclear weapons program, than the US. In fact, all the evidence available suggests that the current United States government is represents the biggest nuclear-weapons threat by far.

We are the country that has thousands of nuclear weapons at our disposal. We are the country that is led by christian end-times cultists like Bush, Ashcroft, Lieberman, etc. We are the country whose administration is officially drafting "nuclear first strike" military policies.

It may be contrarian of me, but given the current disturbing state of our government, I think that a nuclear-armed Iran, India, etc, may be our best hope for avoiding a nuclear war. Because a nuclear deterrant appears to be one of the few things that will give our current nutcase administration any pause for caution whatsoever.


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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-27-07 01:21 PM
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7. more info: U.S. to help India obtain nuke fuel
http://www.indianmuslims.info/news/2007/jul/26/u_s_help_india_obtain_nuke_fuel.html

WASHINGTON, July 26 (Xinhua) -- The United States has agreed to help India secure fuel for its reactors, even if it conducts another atomic test, the Washington Times reported Thursday.

The Bush administration made the major concession in closed-door talks with visiting Indian officials last week in an attempt to save its civilian nuclear-energy deal with India, the newspaper quoted diplomats and knowledgeable nonproliferation experts as saying.

Sources familiar with the new proposal, negotiated under pressure from India, which does not want its hands tied in its nuclear rivalry with neighboring Pakistan, said the United States offered to "consider the circumstances" before cutting off cooperation after any nuclear test.

Moreover, Washington offered to help New Delhi secure alternative sources of nuclear fuel in the event of a U.S. cutoff.

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