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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 11:35 AM
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Biofuels could boost global warming, finds study
Growing and burning many biofuels may actually raise rather than lower greenhouse gas emissions, a new study led by Nobel prize-winning chemist Paul Crutzen has shown.1 The findings come in the wake of a recent OECD report, which warned nations not to rush headlong into growing energy crops because they cause food shortages and damage biodiversity.

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2007/September/21090701.asp
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 11:39 AM
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1. The idea of growing biofuels is just wrong.
It crowds out food production, as well as producing more greenhouse gasses.

The ideal is to produce biofuels from what would otherwise be treated as waste: used oils, plant remnants after food processing, and so on. Any direct growing of biofuels should be limited, well-studied, and for special purposes.
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razzleberry Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:08 PM
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2. biofuel cuts the oil companies out of the deal .n/t
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 09:06 PM
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3. you can file this one
in the "no shit Sherlock" folder.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 10:00 AM
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4. He's part of the anti-nuke industry
"In 1982 a special issue of the journal Ambio was devoted to the possible environmental consequences of nuclear war; it included an article by Paul Crutzen and J. Birks on atmospheric effects. They re-assessed and re-affirmed the consequences for the ozone layer noted in the 1975 National Academies of Science report (up to 70% of the ozone layer might be destroyed); and drew attention for the first time to the likelihood that large amounts of smoke and dust would be created."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 11:05 AM
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5. There is a difference between being part of the antinuke industry and being anti nuclear war.
Edited on Sun Sep-23-07 11:06 AM by NNadir
I note that there is NOT ONE anti-nuke with the courage or guts to call for the phase out of dangerous fossil fuels because of dangerous fossil fuel wars, which have constituted 100% of the wars fought in the last century.

Instead, the shit-for-brains anti-nuke industry, lead by pieces of shit like the Royal Dutch Shell apologist Amory Lovins, who is paid $20,000 a day to say that the dangerous fossil fuel company has the "environmental stamp of approval," tries to say that only nuclear energy has a war potential, although there have been zero nuclear wars in the last 60 years.

The highly paid and corrupt anti-nuclear industry loves to distort things, and typical of such distortion is this representation of Crutezen's position.

In fact, the idea that Crutzen is a part of the moronic anti-nuclear industry is a bald faced distortion of the type one normally sees from the highly paid corrupt anti-nuclear industry of shit-for-brains pseudoenvironmentalists trolling for payoffs.

On Jan 23 of this year, Dr. Crutzen addressed the World Sustainable Development Forum.

http://www.teriin.org/dsds/2007/prog23.htm

The focus of the address by Prof. Paul Crutzen, Director Emeritus, Max Planck Institute for Chemistry, Germany, was on the scientific aspects of climate change and its history, the challenges we face today, and the possible solutions. The issue of climate change needs to be broadened from the main theme of carbon dioxide emissions, to consider other ozone-depleting gases such as methane, water vapour, and nitrous oxides. Heightened human activity has changed atmospheric chemistry and, as a result, global temperature is rising. We need to ask ourselves the question: ‘what can we do?’

There is an urgent need to stabilize the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere by reducing emissions by 60%. Although methane emissions have stabilized in the past five years, nitrous oxide emission is still a matter of concern. Chlorofluorocarbon reduction has been achieved, but due to its long lifetime, it will continue to linger in the atmosphere for at least 70 years. Solutions are available in the form of striving for energy efficiency; carbon capture and storage; using nuclear power and renewable energy; and so on.


Italics and bold are mine.

The anti-nuclear industry is starting to look more and more like the rest of the highly paid religious fundamentalist movement. It has nothing to do with science, and in fact, despises science and speaks of science only to distort it.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 05:10 PM
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6. LOL - he lists "carbon capture and storage" before nuclear
Edited on Sun Sep-23-07 05:18 PM by bananas
PROOF that he's a pro-coal anti-nuke!
:rofl:

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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 04:35 AM
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7. ... and BOTH before renewable ...
:rofl:

Mind you, at least he gets the importance of conservation/efficiency
as the first step to getting it right.
:hi:
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