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razzleberry Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:28 PM
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Panda and Twingo electric cars
in German, but worth looking at.
http://www.e-mobile.ch/index.php?pid=de,2,21

use link 'mehr informationen' for a specsheet

I guess I need to remind everybody for the
1000th time that the US is not the whole world.

If these things are not legal in the US, they
will be legal somewhere, and every gallon of gasoline
'avoided use' by these cars, represents crude oil
that does not need to come from the
war torn middle east.
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NekoChris Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:43 PM
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1. I would..
..do pretty much anything for a car like this.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 03:44 PM
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2. As Stupid threatens enough wars to cut the oil tap off completely,
the rest of the world steps up research into alternative energy sources.

If Stupid wins, his Empire will leave him sitting in a vat of stinking black goo that nobody wants to buy any more.
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:03 PM
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3. Except that they'll still buy it
for the purpose of making plastic. Unless those other countries decide to vertically farm hemp as yet another alternative :)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:05 PM
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4. You bet they'll farm hemp
Some of them already do.

Remember, they're not all nanny states.
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:23 PM
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6. That isn't what I meant...
Rather that they would have to vertically farm in order to grow enough to satisfy all their needs for plastics and whatever else without cutting everything down to have enough land to grow the hemp on and satisify those needs. I know other countries grow hemp. I wear some of that hemp ;)

I predict that we in the US will have to eventually "mine" our landfills for the plastics contained in them. That and gather up all the plastics we've thrown into the oceans. I read a few months back on TreeHugger of a Japanese chemist that had found an inexpensive way to break plastics down for recycling. I'll have to find that link sometime...
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:44 PM
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7. Thermal Depolymerization
is probably one of the more viable systems. It produces much more energy than it uses. It can take the waste in a land fill and turn it into light sweet crude at one end and wastewater at the other, water contaminated with a stew of mineral salts that can also be reclaimed.

There was a commercial setup outside a Butterball turkey plant that was making money....until somebody started to bid up the price of turkey offal to use in animal feed and put them out of business.

Putting thermal depolymerization plants near any landfill would seem to be a great investment. If anyone knows why it hasn't been done, do let us know.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 06:16 PM
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8. There was a story on NPR, in that vein
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16019184

zalinda
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 04:13 PM
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5. Babelfish to the rescue
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-mobile.ch%2Findex.php%3Fpid%3Dde%2C2%2C21

4-raedrige of electric vehicles

The road vehicles with electric drive, available in Switzerland, refer its river everything from batteries. With full batteries order-of-magnitude-wise 80 km can be put back with a car. Electric vehicles drive very quietly and discharge no exhaust gases. They are therefore particularly suitable for dye traffic. As ecological they are altogether, depends completely substantially on the river, which is used for the shop of the batteries. Swiss river is nearly CO2-frei. Ever more power supplier offer besides river from renewable sources , which originates from native solar plants, wind or hydro-electric power plants.

Panda Elettrica



Weight: 999,5 + 305.5 kg
Maximum speed: 110 km/h
Range on the average: 130 km
Price recommendation: CHF 44'116. - inclusive VAT.
Sales only in Switzerland and in Italy/pay in Switzerland and Italy only

More information...

Twingo Quickshift Elettrica



Weight: 920 + 340 kg
Maximum speed: 120 km/h
Range on the average: 130 km
Price recommendation: CHF 41'534. - (Berlina) to 42'072. - (Van) inclusive VAT.
Sales only in Switzerland and in Italy/pay in Switzerland and Italy only

More information...
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