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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:38 PM
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Why don't we bury our electrical cables?
Came across a crew repairing downed lines from a tree limb yesterday, and made me think of this again. Okay, it's cheaper to string the things in the air than it is to insulate them and bury them. But surely the long-term picture is more profitable when you figure in that buried wires will break less often, and there's less chance of people getting electrocuted?
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:43 PM
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1. Because they're not dead!
Watch out for those live wires!
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:43 PM
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2. well, the cost of upkeeps in part of the rate hike they seek semi yearly
without enough expenses the bosses would have to make billions per year rather then just hundreds of millions and people might get mad?
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:45 PM
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3. It is very costly to do so, and has to come from local funds usually.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:53 PM
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8. We had to pay for it ourselves.
And the price went up four times between the letting of the contract and the undergrounding of the lines.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:46 PM
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4. They are buried on my property.
My power comapany gave me the choice.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:47 PM
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5. I have asked that question many times
New construction gets buried, but they just keep putting lines in existing areas in the air and the keep getting knocked down by storms.
I would think it would economics.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:48 PM
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6. Well, every time I've addressed the issue with PG&E guys
They say that there is too much resistance (electrical resistance) when put underground. In spite of many explanations of that statement, I still don't understand it.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:53 PM
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7. Most new construction is burried, but it would be VERY EXPENSIVE
to redo the old ones! I've said the same thing for years, but the places you see MOST of the overhead cabling is in and around OLD established cities. Hell, they can't even keep the bridges from falling down and the roads from faing apart! If your computer activates when you plug it in, BE HAPPY!
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bad_robbie Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:30 AM
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20. Burying existing lines
Another problem is avoiding existing underground utilities, e.g. gas, sewer, water, when burying lines. Their locations don't always exactly match the maps the the locater services use. I had to get my sewer repaired recently, and we got much closer to the 4" gas line than expected. Another example: a new fiber company has been burying cable in my town over the last few years, and they've caused more than a few gas leaks and water main breaks.


On top of that, it can be really tough to get equipment in between houses in established neighborhoods to reach utilities that run through the back yards. People build fences and decks, plant shrubs and trees, and generally don't expect a ditch witch or excavator to be coming through any time soon.

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:56 PM
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9. That's what we are doing in our town.
But we are paying for it ourselves and it is really expensive (my cost, alone, was over $18K).

And the cost increased four different times between the letting of the contract and the actual undergrounding.
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Islander Expat Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:58 PM
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10. Ya don't bury cables cause than they would be undergrounded
and theres always problems with a circuit that has an underground.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:04 PM
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11. They're easier to get to up in the air
are less likely to short when they get damaged and it's raining, and burying them is no protection against lightning strikes.

Plus, Joe Homeowner is less likely to send himself to the great beyond when he's planting shrubbery without asking the utility company to point out where they are in his yard.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:19 PM
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12. We're at the mercy of Big Yard Sale!
They lobby heavily for free advertising space.
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dapoopta2 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:37 PM
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13. agreed
isn't that the truth.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:17 PM
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14. The poles are often owned by the phone company...
and the power and cable companies rent space on them. So, you gotta get at least three companies to agree on burying the cables and how to allocate the cost.

And the cost is huge, even worse in suburban or semi-rural areas.



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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:21 PM
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15. Leukemia bad....but profits outweigh all else.
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 07:49 PM
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16. Because the ice and snow cover them and then we cannot start our cars...
oh, you weren't talking about THOSE cables. Never mind.

(Did you known that for their first birthday every Minnesota child gets his first pair of jumper cables? You cannot be too prepared.)
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:20 PM
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17. We Do Bury Our Cables
just not all of them. I worked one summer in college on a construction crew that buried phone cable for a telco in NC. Assuming that the issues are the same for electrical cable, there are several different methods:

If the area is clear earth without obstructions, cable can be plowed with a wheeled device pulled behind a truck. It's just what it sounds like -- the cable goes right off a spool and is plowed about three feet under the earth. That does not work, however, if there are already driveways or other frequent obstructions in place. In that case, poling is much more practical. Cable can be buried by a combination of backhoes, trenching machines, and hand digging (which I did when necessary :)), but it is slow and expensive. It is easy to damage the cable and is not practical for long distances.

Safety has to enter into it with electrical cables, but economics probably have to play a role also. Under traditional forms of price regulation, utilites were usually allowed to recover their costs plus a profit, and would actually have had financial incentives to put more money into their outside plant.

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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:47 PM
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18. FPL's Answers
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:21 AM
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19. They are buried in my neighborhood.
Our power is a BIT more stable that other places I've lived. However, when the grid goes down across the entire area, we go down as well.

There's also problems whenever ANY utility needs to dig something up. (Our phone, cable TV and fiber are also all buried.) It never fails that when one utility does some work, they slice up something else. Then there's a big finger pointing fiasco, and people might have no TV or phones for a few days. (Power always seems to get set back up pronto.)

So, buried wires aren't a cure all.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:39 AM
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21. That happens in our neighborhood too.
Some guys doing a cable upgrade put a backhoe through the gas-line. That was fun. Guys were punching holes all over my back yard trying to test the soil for gas contamination.

But I like all the infrastructure being underground.
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