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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:25 PM
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Recalling the suburban gas riots of 1979
Last time it came on a lot faster (being artificial), but this time it's going to last a lot longer.

Twenty-nine years ago, service-station owner Steven Lankin watched as a summer-night Levittown crowd seething over gas rationing, two-hour lines at the pumps, and a then-stunning hike to $1 a gallon turn violent.

What began as a truckers' gas-crisis protest lasted two nights, June 23 and 24, 1979. It drew thousands of people and left 100 people injured, nearly 200 arrested, and one Shell station shattered in the first gasoline revolt in American history.

When inflation is considered, today's drivers are paying more for gas; $4 in 2008 is equivalent to $1.35 in 1979 terms. Even so, the gas-buying crowd remains civil, though unhappy, at Levittown's Five Points intersection, where the riots broke out in front of the Getty station Lankin has run since 1964.

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"In those days, it wasn't like a degree at a time," Lankin said. "It was, like, boom! And the public, they got . . . (angered) good."

In the riots, car tires and a junked car were burned in the streets, Philadelphia and state police officers were bused in, and most of the gas stations at the intersection were vandalized. Police-brutality lawsuits were filed and eventually settled for $154,000. And national attention was drawn to a community founded as an iconic planned suburb in the early 1950s to embrace a car-centric vision of the American Dream.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_top_left_story/20080529_Racalling_the_suburban_gas_riots_of_1979.html


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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:28 PM
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1. $4.29 this morning.
There won't be any riots this time around.

Americans have grown soft and chickenshit.
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:30 PM
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2. That's not the issue
There are no lines and no rationing (yet ... probably won't be).

It just costs alot.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:36 PM
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6. We have lines here (Marin County).
But they are price-driven.

People will actually wait in these interminable lines in order to save a few pennies per gallon. I suppose they have nothing better to do.
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:58 PM
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10. That's a bit different, though, than waiting for gas, period.
We are already seeing decreased demand in the United States who is the largest consumer in the world. It has taken a little while but the boat is turning and lifestyles are changing to accomodate a high gasoline price paradigm and within the next few years when SUV's are the exception and not the rule, you will see a glut of oil on the market looking for buyers.

I think that is the 70's parallel we will find.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:02 PM
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12. I don't think a glut is ever going to materialize.
for one thing, oil production is now dropping YOY, which all by itself will eat up any savings from efficiency or lifestyle changes. For another, Asia is increasing its demand very quickly, and that's something that wasn't happening back in the 70s.
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:11 PM
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14. Perhaps
I found a quick look on world oil production and that does not seem to be the case although demand may outstrip the increase:

http://www.worldoil.com/INFOCENTER/STATISTICS_DETAIL.asp?Statfile=_worldoilproduction
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 06:20 PM
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17. The reason Asia can increase its demand
Is that the Chinese crap everyone buys, is used to subsidize fuel prices in China. Their gas cost a small fraction of what we pay. I works out to about $1 a gallon or so.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:58 PM
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11. weird. they might burn that saving just idling their engines in a big line.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 04:03 PM
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22. And by waiting in line, they're using up the few cents they would've saved.
Go figger.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:17 PM
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15. Which blows the supply and demand reason out of the water
Reason for high prices has little to do with supply and more to do with investors.
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:24 PM
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16. Supply and demand is not linear
Elasticity of pricing comes into play with petroleum products and it takes a great deal to consume less except at the fringes; move, change jobs, change vehicles, ect.

Those changes are now being felt after the ramp up of fuel costs and more will likely come as we approach 5 bucks a gallon. The thing is, even if fuel costs go down, those individual lifestyle changes have been made and going back will be just as long coming and it take some time before there is a significant increase in demand.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:33 PM
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4. We're still the same naked apes we were 30 years ago.
When the noose tightens enough, we'll go apeshit, just like any other band of 300 million desperate primates.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:36 PM
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5. Are you implying we should riot to serve the car culture?
I hardly think it's worth it.

We've had enough violence in support of the car cults - Iraq comes to mind.

Of course, we do have a lot of chickenshit thinkers here claiming that chickenshit can save their cars. Chicken shit, forests, all the world's agricultural fields, and all the world's puny output of solar cells cannot save our cars.

The sooner we deal with that, the better.

The sooner the distributed energy disaster known as the automobile becomes historic, the higher the probability of human survival becomes.

Because of the indiscriminate dumping of dangerous fossil fuel waste - much of which comes from gasoline - the probability of such survival is already pretty low.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:37 PM
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7. Hell, we wouldn't riot to save the Country...
or we would already be in the streets.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 07:41 PM
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19. I live near Trenton NJ, a beautiful little city by the river.
The city has history, rail connections, a beautiful river front, a nice walkable downtown.

In 1968 it was a thriving community of small businesses and manufacturing jobs.

Riots broke out in 1968, and huge swaths of the city, including many businesses were burned to the ground.

That city has never really recovered. Last week a little girl, ten years old, was burned to death by arsonists because her father dared to testify against gangs. The school is collapsing. Children are afraid to do well in school, lest they get punished for it.

That's the kind of climate violence brings.

People are afraid to travel to the lovely museums we have in that city.

Riots and violence are never justified.

Violence for gasoline is particularly disgusting because gasoline is toxic. It is right and ethical to move beyond gasoline and wrong to insist that we need it and the distributed energy car cult that goes with it.

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 07:48 PM
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20. I wasn't suggesting "Violence for gasoline".
My point was that Americans are incapable of anything past gathering in bunches and wringing their collective hands.

And Trenton was a beautiful city.

I remember going to plays in this place that looked like a big ol' tent.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:06 PM
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21. I apologize for implying that you were, but on the other hand I think we need to recognize
that a people can learn by their errors and find peaceful ways to solve their problems.

Nations experience worse failures than we have experienced in the Bush reign of error and terror. Witness Germany and Japan, nations that after 1945 thrived in the way of peace.

I was with 600,000 people who took the time - not so long ago - to march in New York in the bitter cold - 8F - to try to stop this car culture war before it started.

Not one of these Americans was lazy or indifferent.

I happened to be in Trenton today to get an absentee ballot for Tuesday's primary. All day people were filtering in they told me, for a primary...

The people who were in that office were there because they cared.

During the darkest hours of the Bush administration, my congressman, Rush Holt, spoke to us at a community meeting and told us that the genius of Americans was to readjust themselves, to recover from bad government. I really didn't believe him: I was too jaded and Bush was still at 70% approval. Our state controlled media was still blaring out some fucking nonsense about a putative "war on terror" and debating whether torture was OK.

We will all suffer for a long time because of these 8 years, that is certain, but I now feel that we can heal some, if not all, of the wounds and do it without violence.

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kgrandia Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 06:35 PM
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18. Agreed
The oil companies have learned how to slowly massage up the prices.
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:30 PM
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3. It is nasty medicine
but it may just cure us of wasting gas in inefficient vehicles and non-essential trips.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:46 PM
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8. I don't recall any riots on the West Coast- but tempers did flare
and there were long lines, odd/even license plate days to purchase petrol and people began using locking gas caps.

What's in store this go round will be different I suspect, as Americans have by and large been "fat & happy" and conditioned and entitled to waste resources for a much longer time.

Then there's the effect that hate radio has had on people over the years....
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:57 PM
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9. the gas lines were everywhere. actual riots were rare.
A gas line meets one of the criteria for a riot. A group of people. By definition, they're probably under some stress, which is another criteria, although what level of stress might vary widely with other external factors. After that, it takes some kind of spark. One person to lose their temper and throw the first rock, or burn the first tire, etc.
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Finn Polke Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:07 PM
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13. People will riot when desperate
Human being don't usually riot when they cannot get a tank of gas to go out motoring on a sunny weedend afternoon, they riot when they can't get gas enought to get to work, operate their business, have other forms of petroleum fuel delivered to heat their homes and cook food.

My recollection of events from 1979 are a little fuzzy but there were a FEW isolated incidents where crowds of people became violent while waiting for gas. The "American gas riots of '79" however are something
I must have missed. First time I've ever seen the phrase "American gas riot" was in this thread.
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