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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 11:12 AM
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Advance made in “thin film” solar cell technology (could significantly reduce the cost)
http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2010/apr/advance-made-%E2%80%9Cthin-film%E2%80%9D-solar-cell-technology

Advance made in “thin film” solar cell technology

4-20-10

CORVALLIS, Ore. – Researchers have made an important breakthrough in the use of continuous flow microreactors to produce thin film absorbers for solar cells - an innovative technology that could significantly reduce the cost of solar energy devices and reduce material waste.

The advance was just reported in Current Applied Physics, a professional journal, by engineers from Oregon State University and Yeungnam University in Korea.

This is one of the first demonstrations that this type of technology, which is safer, faster and more economical than previous chemical solution approaches, could be used to continuously and rapidly deposit thin film absorbers for solar cells from such compounds as copper indium diselenide.

Previous approaches to use this compound – which is one of the leading photovoltaic alternatives to silicon-based solar energy devices – have depended on methods such as sputtering, evaporation, and electrodeposition. Those processes can be time consuming, or require expensive vacuum systems or exotic chemicals that raise production costs.

Chemical bath deposition is a low-cost deposition technique that was developed more than a century ago. It is normally performed as a batch process, but changes in the growth solution over time make it difficult to control thickness. The depletion of reactants also limits the achievable thickness.

The technology invented at OSU to deposit “nanostructure films” on various surfaces in a continuous flow microreactor, however, addresses some of these issues and makes the use of this process more commercially practical. A patent has been applied for on this approach, officials said.

“We’ve now demonstrated that this system can produce thin-film solar absorbers on a glass substrate in a short time, and that’s quite significant,” said Chih-hung Chang, an associate professor in the OSU School of Chemical, Biological and Environmental Engineering. “That’s the first time this has been done with this new technique.”

Further work is still needed on process control, testing of the finished solar cell, improving its efficiency to rival that of vacuum-based technology, and scaling up the process to a commercial application, Chang said.

Of some interest, researchers said, is that thin-film solar cells produced by applications such as this could ultimately be used in the creation of solar energy roofing systems. Conceptually, instead of adding solar panels on top of the roof of a residential or industrial building, the solar panel itself would become the roof, eliminating such traditional approaches as plywood and shingles.

“If we could produce roofing products that cost-effectively produced solar energy at the same time, that would be a game changer,” Chang said. “Thin film solar cells are one way that might work. All solar applications are ultimately a function of efficiency, cost and environmental safety, and these products might offer all of that.”

The research has been supported by the Process and Reaction Engineering Program of the National Science Foundation.

Related technology was also developed recently at OSU using nanostructure films as coatings for eyeglasses, which may cost less and work better than existing approaches. In that case, they would help capture more light, reduce glare and also reduce exposure to ultraviolet light. Scientists believe applications in cameras and other types of lenses are also possible.

More work such as this is expected to emerge from the new Oregon Process Innovation Center for Sustainable Solar Cell Manufacturing, a $2.7 million initiative based at OSU that will include the efforts of about 20 faculty from OSU, the University of Oregon, Portland State University and the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory.

Organizers of that initiative say they are aiming for “a revolution in solar cell processing and manufacturing” that might drop costs by as much as 50 percent while being more environmentally sensitive. In the process, they hope to create new jobs and industries in the Pacific Northwest.

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 11:41 AM
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1. Interesting. Wish there was more details.
"The technology invented at OSU to deposit “nanostructure films” on various surfaces in a continuous flow microreactor, however, addresses some of these issues and makes the use of this process more commercially practical. A patent has been applied for on this approach, officials said."

Most of the article was nothing new as it relates to thin-film technology. This "continuous flow microreactor" is interestly but sadly there is no real details on it.

I guess I need to grab a copy of Current Applied Physics for that. :)
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 12:05 PM
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2. Re: I guess I need to grab a copy of Current Applied Physics for that.
Yeah, I see these press releases (in part) as advertisements, enticing you to buy a copy of whatever journal so you can read the real study, and not a dumbed-down distillation of it.
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 12:34 PM
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3. It would be nice to see some investment $$ go toward this ...
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 12:37 PM
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4. You are kidding right? Please tell me you are kidding.
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 01:20 PM by Statistical


Would make about as much sense and putting serious research dollars into this perpetual water screw circa 1618.
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 02:16 PM
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5. I'm not kidding.
I'm not saying we need tax payers to fund the investment.

There is some valid science behind Searl's device. There are several other devices out there that could work that the general public would probably dismiss, too.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 02:30 PM
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6. How about you fund it?
Edited on Wed Apr-21-10 02:40 PM by Statistical
It isn't just the general public that dismisses junk-science perpetual motion machines like Searl's the entire scientific community does too.

Were you unable of thelying (the man is no professor), the fraud, the criminal charges, that he claimed his house was powered by his magical generator but in reality he bypassed his electrical meter (until he was caught) and stole power from the city grid?

You don't think it strange there hasn't been a single credible 3rd party verification in 50+ years. That all his inventions have been lost, stolen, destroyed before they could be verified?

There is a sucker born every minute. Perpetual motion scams are nothing new. They have existed for (at least) 800 years and they always end the same.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 03:01 PM
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7. You've got to admit
It's a pretty cool animated GIF...
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-21-10 03:01 PM
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8. Yeah if I ever need a perpetual animation I know where to ask.
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 10:46 AM
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9. Wow. Sorry for even mentioning this.
I didn't know I was going to get a beat down.

:hide:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 11:41 AM
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10. The anti anything other than nuke nuts are on the hunt.
it cracks me up for people to be so single minded.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 12:03 PM
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11. I am pro wind, solar, hydro, fuel cells, and nuclear.
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 12:30 PM by Statistical
I also accept that we likely will need to use natural gas for decades however we should make it as efficient and clean as possible. Although I am not a big fan I a reluctantly accepting that CCS will be required for many industrial applications.

I am against anti-science BS con artists who have been arrested multiple times and who in the past blatantly lied about experiments and observers until caught ... getting any tax money to continue their lifelong scam.
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 12:15 PM
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12. You mean like nuclear power?
Why won't insurance companies touch insuring nuclear plants?
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 12:21 PM
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13. Every nuclear plant in the United States is insured by private insurance.
Either your are misinformed or you are trying to mislead others.

However that isn't really the point.

You can argue the economic merits of nuclear power, wind power, solar power, hell even coal power the reality is they all produce net energy.

This thing (the searl scam not the OP) is a perpetual motion scam created by a convicted felon. Something thousands of conartists have come up with over the centuries.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 12:32 PM
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14. You are the one misleading people - where is the word "fully" in your claim?
What is the Price-Anderson Act?

What is he dispute right now in India over insurance all about? What is it the US companies want that the government of India is unable to deliver because of public opposition?

That said, all claims like Searl's should be dismissed out of hand unless accompanied by significant proof that is has been replicated and independently verified.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 12:36 PM
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15. What is "fully".
Edited on Thu Apr-22-10 12:42 PM by Statistical
Reactors are fully insured to $10.4 billion.

That is the limit on liability imposed by the govt.
All insurance has limits. Please identify a single unlimited insurance policy anywhere in the world for any industry.

Insurance limits never fully cover damages. Insurance on hydro-electric dams are not enough to cover all possible contingencies.

The insurance on drivers (mere $10K in most states) is not enough to cover all possible damage they can cause.
The insurance required for airlines ($100 million) was a tiny fraction of the damage caused by 9/11 ($2 trillion).

You simply want a "special" impossible burden placed on nuclear reactors that isn't imposed on any other industry on the planet.


Lastly where if "fully" is the false statement I corrected.
"Why won't insurance companies touch insuring nuclear plants?" = false.
Nuclear reactors are insured by $10.4 billion in private insurance.

Maybe you believe that level of insurance should be higher but it is false to say they are not insured.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 03:45 AM
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16. FYI ...



> The Searl Effect Generator (SEG), invented by the self titled "Professor"
> John Searl, is claimed to be an "open system energy converting device"
> which is "capable of converting ambient sources of energy to electrical
> power with a corresponding drop in air and device temperature".
> There is no independent verification of these claims, and any videos released
> by Searl himself, all show the "generator" connected to a power source.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searl_Effect_Generator)


The most truthful aspects of his documented history are:

1) He was convicted for stealing electricity from the Midland Electricity Board
and damaging their property (by bypassing the electricity meter whilst claiming
to have had his house powered from one of his SEG devices).

2) He then persued a vendetta against the Midland Electricity Board (and was
certainly arrested - not sure if jailed for this too or if received suspended
sentence).


There was also a run of this (complete with trolling "supporter") in the Science
forum a while back:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x42022

FWIW, the claimed title "Professor" should always be in quotes as he has had
no formal education whatsoever ... mind you it's a change from some of his other
assumed titles in his self-published articles & books where he appoints himself
executive titles normally used in Fortune 500 companies even though he has only
one employee (e.g., "Chief Commander" or "Head of Research in the Department for
Human Spaceflight"). Yet another tick in the box for the "fraud" checklist.

Hope this helps explain why people can be a little quick off the mark with
the sarcasm on this subject.
:hi:
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