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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:33 PM
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Graham Quits Climate Talks, Dimming Hopes for Bill
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 04:41 PM by Statistical
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina pulled out of negotiations to forge a climate- change bill, protesting what he called a “cynical ploy” by Democrats to focus instead on immigration.

Graham’s move dimmed hopes for legislation that he was set to unveil tomorrow with Senators John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, and Joseph Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, after more than six months of work. Their proposal won support from utilities such as Exelon Corp., and people close to the matter said last week that oil companies including ConocoPhillips were prepared to sign on.

President Barack Obama pressed anew last week for an overhaul of U.S. immigration policy, and Democratic congressional leaders said legislation may advance this year if Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid can gain enough support. Graham decried the push as an attempt to win votes for Democrats in a critical election year.

“Moving forward on immigration -- in this hurried, panicked manner -- is nothing more than a cynical ploy,” Graham said in a letter yesterday to business, environmental, military and religious leaders.

“Unless their plan substantially changes this weekend, I will be unable to move forward on energy independence legislation at this time,” he wrote. “I will not allow our hard work to be rolled out in a manner that has no chance of success.”


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-25/graham-quits-climate-talks-dimming-hopes-for-bill-update1-.html

Well shit. As I pointed out in another thread the problems in solving AGW are purely societal and political.

While the Kerry-Liberman bill wasn't perfect (far from it) I think it was/is important as a first step. For the first time in history of the United States carbon would have a cost. The status quo is carbon pollution is not only legal but absolutely free. If this bills passed future bills could raise that cost of carbon to push transformation of our society from high-carbon to low-carbon. Utilities tend to be forward looking. Who wants to build a fossil fuel plant (which has a economic lifetime of 40-60 years) if carbon is taxed and will get more and more expensive each year.

Without the first step there is no economic incentive for utilities to even plan to stop using fossil fuels for majority of power production in this country.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:37 PM
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1. Colbert may have some fun with this news on Lindsay.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:38 PM
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2. WTF! How are cimate and imigration tied together? Why is Graham having such a hissyfit?
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 06:19 PM
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6. I think this could be a good thing.
The hard right is calling the shots and this is the perfect opportunity to let then have their head so that moderate voters are fully aware of what the alternatives are going into November.

Immigration ala Arizona speaks volumes about what those people are all about, and it can only weaken their bargaining position going into a new round of negotiations on climate and energy legislation. They won't have nearly the leverage as they had these past couple of months and we will end up with a far better bill.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 06:28 PM
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7. I fervently hope you are right...er...correct.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 06:30 PM
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8. This was also said of health care.
Unfortunately the bill we got was not significantly improved from the initial bills. :/

There was a lot of hope that we'd get single payer or a public option. I gave up.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 06:34 PM
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9. Really? The immigration debate happened in the middle of health care also?
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 06:35 PM by kristopher
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:55 PM
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10. I wasn't talking about the "immigration debate."
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:56 PM
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11. Yeah, well... we were.
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 11:36 AM
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13. Another Repub acting stupid. He wasted taxpayer money by not being a serious player. All
Repub politicians are a disgusting and a waste of space in
politics.
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:42 PM
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3. I am so sick of this man...
And his "principled" hissy fits, especially after he gave Bushco pr0tective cover on torture. Principled, my ass.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:51 PM
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4. Maybe now we can get a flat carbon tax with a dividend.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 06:14 PM
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5. LOL! Sorry, this is like me saying "Maybe now we can get a public option..."
...or perhaps "Maybe now we can get single payer."

Cap and trade is here to stay, and the loopholes that Hansen feared are there from the start. :puke:
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 08:25 PM
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12. That is why I support this bill.
The likelihood that something better will happen if we wait is essentially nill. I trust Kerry on this issue. He is looking over the votes in the Senate. If he thought he had votes for something stronger he would have gone for something stronger. The bill reflects the votes that are there and even this bill would likely barely pass (60-62 in favor).

If we go back to bargaining table in 2-3 years at least passing this bill now will provide those incremental improvements over next 2-3 years. Hell we could lose a couple seats in 2010 & 2012 and the future bill could be even weaker combined with the delay of 2-3 years.

Passing nothing means carbon emissions are legal, free, and unlimited.
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