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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:27 PM
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Celanese Says Ethanol-From-Coal Process Is a ‘Game-Changer’ - Bloomberg
Edited on Tue May-10-11 12:38 PM by JohnWxy
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-10/celanese-says-ethanol-from-coal-process-is-a-game-changer-1-.html

Celanese Corp. (CE) said its technology to make ethanol from coal is more profitable than producing the gasoline additive from plants, and is a “game-changer” for the U.S. chemicals company.

Celanese’s so-called TCX technology can convert coal, petroleum coke or natural gas to ethanol for 25 percent to 35 percent less than alternative processes, it said today in presentation slides posted on its website. The cost of converting coal to ethanol is $1.50 a gallon, equal to making gasoline from crude oil costing $60 a barrel, Dallas-based Celanese said.

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Celanese said in November it will spend as much as $350 million on each of two planned factories in China that will turn coal into ethanol for industrial uses. Each plant will have an annual production capacity of 400,000 tons of ethanol, or 134 million gallons. The company plans to sell ethanol in China, India, Australia, Colombia and Egypt.

Celanese rose $2.07, or 4.2 percent, to $51.98 as of 11:04 a.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.
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Given the supply of natural gas and coal in the U.S. this would mean substituting ethanol for all the gasoline we use is quite do-able.

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:32 PM
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1. They lie.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:49 PM
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2. Coal is a limited resource and converting it to ethanol not clean.
All they're doing is putting the balls in a different bucket. But hey, it'll be profitable!
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:00 PM
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3. More balls, we must have more balls!
I always knew we were in Iraq because Dubya was looking for his balls.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:06 PM
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5. making ethanol from coal is of course is not a renewable energy source but IF it can be produced
with less emissions than gasoline, at least it would be an improvement there and if this process could supply enough it would limit gasoline adn oil price increases which might save our economy from the coming petroleum cost induced low or no-growth fate.

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poopfuel Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:54 PM
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6. Ugh, not sustainable or healthy n/t
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:09 PM
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8. if it's not cleaner than gasoline no point to it. Needs to be watched though.

I couldn't find info on this processes GHG emissions.


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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:03 PM
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4. Ethanol from Coal
Iowa needs $2 billion in coal-fired electricity production to supply power for ethanol; critics say coal use “ungreens” ethanol

Is gasifying coal to power cars more easily done than simply moving to electric transport and converting the coal to grid power as we do today? At least with electric vehicles we have alternatives in place when (if) wind, solar and nuclear ramp up.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3603
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:28 PM
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7. Keep that coal in the ground where it belongs!
This is a technological "breakthrough" we do NOT need!
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:09 AM
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9. Wonderful ... how to get the worst of both worlds ...
Keep digging up coal and turn it into low-efficiency fuel for
your constitutionally-protected personal fat-ass-moving-device ...

:thumbsdown:
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:39 AM
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10. Yeah, that will go a long way to boost ethanol's environmental street cred
:eyes:
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Fledermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:41 PM
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11. When gasoline is $4 and up, synthetic fuels are profitable.
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