Tepco Presser 5/12: Gauges not to be trusted in No. 2, No. 3 also, probably no water as well

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/05/from-tepco-presser-on-may-12-part-3.html

* Honesty at this late date? It seems like they are not trying to prevent panic anymore. At any moment it seems that the plant could be uninhabitable with containment breech or No. 4 SPF falling over, there was just a 6.2 earthquake there.

Friday, May 13, 2011
From TEPCO Presser on May 12 Part 3: "Probably the Same Situation in Reactors 2 and 3"

The water gauges for the Reactors 2 and 3 are not to be trusted, said TEPCO's Matsumoto in the press conference on May 12 (I watched the live-recorded video) when the company officially acknowledged the meltdown of the Reactor 1.

If the water gauges for the Reactors 2 and 3 have been overstating the water levels, just like in the Reactor 1, it is very likely that all three reactors have hardly any water inside the Reactor Pressure Vessels (RPV), and the reactor cores are likely to have been melted.

Just like Michio Ishikawa of Japan Nuclear Technology Institute said on April 29.

About the water gauges for the Reactors 2 and 3:

"They are probably in the same condition as that of the Reactor 1. The numbers the gauges are currently showing are not very trustworthy. We need to monitor carefully with other parameters like pressure."

Weak points in the RPV and Containment Vessel:

"The RPV has more than 100 small pipes running through the bottom. Any one of them could have been damaged. We cannot completely deny that the fuel itself damaged the RPV. The Containment Vessel also has pipes, and it is possible that they got damaged when the pressure rose or when there was a hydrogen explosion."

To confirm, TEPCO does not deny that the fuels have all melted and went down?

"We don't deny that. How much of the fuels have melted we cannot say for certain, but our understanding is that they melted, and didn't retain the original shapes, and moved downward."

"We don't deny that part of the melted fuels may have damaged the RPV and escaped the RPV."

Any further danger if the melted fuel did escape the RPV and into the Containment Vessel:

"We're assuming it is being cooled by the water in the Containment Vessel."

If it is still within the Containment Vessel, that is.

It's interactive, put a cursor over the line to see which reactor.

http://www.ianbradshaw.co.uk/multimedia/fukushima/reactor-pressure.html

there, I saved the talking point from our friends... with...

YOU CANNOT SOLVE THE BOZEMAN EQUATION... you ignorant boob!

There... think that now that this has been said, they will just hide?

Oh and yes more dancing bunnies



I feel I need to go get the gerbils too. A gerbil on a wheel would be quite appropriate...



It will be fine once we get the darn cute gerbil back on it's wheel. TRUST US!

Robot Hamster, made in Japan

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Guess I need to consider an ignore list, something I never imagined doing here...

...honest now and giving accurate (although dire) information about Fukushima?

Why now, when they've been painting their rose-colored scenarios for weeks?

I would love to hear what others think.

My guess is that they believed they could lie about this situation, until they finally
got it under control. Now--they know that it is not under control and never will be
under control. They know they're in dire straights and that the implications for the
world are catastrophic.

I would imagine, since the game is pretty much over, the media blackout will end.

They can't hide it anymore. The isotope accumulation is only exacerbating in the US.
Everywhere, Geiger Counters are sold out. People on youtube are filming their Geiger
Counters going crazy. Like the guy in St Louis who drove his car in the rain, then
wiped the car off with a towel that was placed over the Geiger Counter--which went
crazy with high readings.

This disaster and the fallout can no longer be contained.

I'd be open to hearing other's opinions about TEPCO's abrupt revelations.

Many of the nuclear experts in Russia thought they could some how fix Chernobyl. Somewhere along in the events, Gorbachev realized the difference between the reality of the situation a the denial that some of his experts were in.

At some point the military was given the job and the whole country was mobilized.

school of thought that recommends blatant lies as a way of controlling mass panic. Surely there have been numerous studies since the dawn of the nuclear age advising govts how to handle catastrophic situations such as this. Perhaps weeks of blatant lies is part of some predetermined plan, a way of acclimatizing people to a dire situation.

I agree with you that they are attempting to avoid mass panic. I also believe
that most of the their interests lie in protecting specific industries (not just
the nuclear-energy industry) and the economy as a whole.

The dairy industry would probably lose billions. The EPA stopped their testing for
radioactive isotopes AFTER finding cesium in milk and radioactive iodine-131 in milk.
The cesium was found in Vermont, and the radioactive iodine-131 was found all over the
country in at least eight locations. The media reported on this, always with the caveat
that the levels were not harmful--contrary to what all science says about any presence of
radioactive isotopes increasing cancer risks.

The problem is--those isotopes have CONTINUED TO ACCUMULATE in our air, water supply, in the
grass that cows eat and in the rain water. Those isotope readings can only go one way--and
that's higher--because the Fukushima fallout, coming into the US, via the jet stream HAS NEVER
STOPPED.

What would that do to the dairy industry? Collapse it for a while, most likely. Radioactive
isotopes were also found in strawberries and mushrooms. The French radiation group CIIRAD
warned all Europeans to stop eating leafy greens and drinking milk. The group said the US's
levels of isotopes were several times higher than in Europe. Doesn't take a rocket scientist
to figure out that we should have received the same warnings.

Produce farmers and dairy farmers would suffer, as would companies that service these industries--including
grocery stores.

And the drinking water is another issue. Damn the EPA for stopping those readings!

The fear of economic losses and panic--are horrible justifications for allowing people to be at risk.

People have the right to protect themselves. Our government should LEAD, not obfuscate. Best of
luck to all of us.

Thomas Cochran, a nucear physicist who said he wasn't concerned with radiation levels in the US though he is critical that EPA data isn't being shared. That fact that Caldicott interviewed him would suggest she finds him credible though she did take some exceptions to some of his statements.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x293965

Just google "public relations damage control" http://www.google.com/search?q=public+relations+damage+control

Here's one hit for a 1996 article from Inc Magazine:


The technique goes way back and was demonstrated in the classic 1967 movie "A Guide for the Married Man",
I posted a video clip in the video forum: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x583589
Here's the dialogue just before the clip, wish it was included in the clip: