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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 05:16 PM
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Reactor 1 Bldg: 2,000 Millisieverts/Hr at Southeast Door
Edited on Sun May-15-11 05:35 PM by flamingdem
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/05/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-reactor-1-bldg.html

* note the comments on ex-skf site as well

EDIT: for a link to see photos of the nuke plant hourly:
http://pointscope01.jp/cgi-local/f1np/f1np1/imageview.cgi?mode=past_frame

From Yomiuri Shinbun and Asahi Shinbun, on 5/15/2011 (in Japanese):

http://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/national/news/CK2011051502000040.html




2,000 millisieverts, or 2 sieverts, per hour radiation was detected inside the southeast double door of the Reactor 1 reactor building. Measurement was done by a remote-controlled robot on May 13. The location is where the pipe is that goes into the Reactor Pressure Vessel (RPV).

3,000 tons of contaminated water probably leaked from the RPV and the Containment Vessel was found in the basement of the reactor building (where the Suppression Chamber is). TEPCO suspects the water is leaking from the seams of the pipes that connects the Containment Vessel body and the torus-shaped Suppression Chamber.

Now, TEPCO's new plan is to circulate the contaminated water in the basement back into the RPV to cool the RPV.

Well, it was all farce, then; that TEPCO installed the air filtering system and claimed that the radioactive materials inside the Reactor 1 reactor building got safe enough (they were saying a few millisieverts to 10s of millisieverts/hour) for the workers to go in and start working.

Unless the "new normal" for Fukushima I Nuke Plant is to count the radiation in sieverts.

The so-called "water entombment" is officially dead now. TEPCO has poured over 10,000 tons of water inside the RPV. Now they say they've found 3,000 tons of it. Where's the rest, 7,000 tons?
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 05:19 PM
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1. just pour some hobbit-magic in there..
fix it right up with positive spin!

problem solved.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 05:22 PM
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3. You can see Hobbit Magic at work on another thread about No.1
Oh it's just a teeny lil' pile and no big deal!

Meanwhile Tepco doesn't know what the frog is going on and what explains the off the chart readings.

Note in the comments the speculation that the numbers are no doubt way higher.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 05:20 PM
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2. Comments on the readings
Anonymous said...

In the Pacific Ocean - which is tragic for Japan as well as for all of us.

Anonymous from Hungary
May 14, 2011 4:43 PM


Anonymous said...

Actually - it will be higher.
Their detectors will be overloading, and not recording real measurements.
Also, the neutron dose will probably be in the 10 Sv per hour range.

What your readers need to understand, is that in fission, roughly equal quantities of neutrons and gammas are produced ... along with decay series isotopes.
They are not measuring the neutron component.


May 14, 2011 4:52 PM
Shadowfax said...

They would have to build a new pipe/pump system to handle highly radioactive water...that will just spread the radiation over a wider area in the plant as they pipe that crap around...They cant even get into the building to take measurements much less do any work. They are shooting complete B.S..
No way they can do this.complete and utter B.S.
May 14, 2011 5:13 PM


Anonymous said...

I think you are misunderstanding the data. Please check out the graphic from Tokyo Shinbun's front page. http://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/national/news/CK2011051502000040.html

It shows the various readings taken from the inside of unit 1. They can indeed get inside unit 1. They cannot stay for long (more than a minute or two, really) near the south-east side, but other parts of the building are much lower in radiation. I would be surprised if there were any fission still happening anywhere at the plant. I think a lot of people would be surprised as well.
May 14, 2011 6:12 PM
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 05:23 PM
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4. I don't even know what that means, but I'm horrified and overwhelmed
at the current -- and ongoing -- situation. I think we're way past hoping for ANY kind of 'not to tragic' outcome. :cry:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 05:29 PM
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5. I'm wondering if its time to open our homes to the refugees
as they surely will be called soon. We could make do with a family of 3 or 4. We all would come away better for it I'm sure.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 05:39 PM
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6. When it gets to that point, I hope I have my own place and would
be able to do so.

But we're not safe, either. I've been buying almost 100% organic to stay away from GMOs, but nobody can escape the radiation that's undoubtedly blanketed our earth as a result of this. :(
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 05:42 PM
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8. Perhaps
you could host a student from Japan? That way it doesn't look so drastic and there are many such programs for different ages.

I hear you about the food choices, it's almost better not to know sometimes because of how much we have to avoid to be careful!
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 05:41 PM
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7. That's a lovely thought


There's a tradition of hosting students in the USA in exchange programs, and that might be a great way, a more indirect way, to help a Japanese family with children.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 06:03 PM
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9. but...but....but....we were told everything was getting better
I guess they were wrong

again

yup
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 07:15 PM
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10. but...but...but...we we told that this wasn't as bad as it is
from early on. They were shilling (wrong) then and they're still wrong.

still

yup
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 10:23 PM
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11. 2 Sieverts per hour is seriously deadly shit /nt
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:43 AM
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12. double post n/t
Edited on Mon May-16-11 03:44 AM by CJvR
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:43 AM
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13. Yes...
...provided you hang around to be irradiated.
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SpoonFed Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 07:07 AM
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14. Nah
The double garrbage bag raincoats stop most of the filth and I hear they got some new hip waders too
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:27 AM
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15. Provided it is...
...alpha rays that is indeed enough, beta rays might need something a bit more substantial than a raincoat. For Gamma and neutron radiation you need a tank!
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SpoonFed Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:49 AM
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16. There is absolutely
No chance that there is anything other than alpha radiation at this nuke facility, I mean why would there be. Maybe TEPCO wants to put up tents so they can all dance around the reactor in the buff to benefit from the hormesis therapy that would provide. Their dead skin cells will provide enough protection from the Alpha
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:51 AM
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17. IIRC...
...many of the fission products are beta emitters.

Indeed at Chernobyl before the alarm was sounded the population of Pripjat noted how sharp the sun seemed to be as they got a tan surprisingly fast (beta burns). The guy irradiated earlier at Fukushima also got beta burns from radioactive water. Alpha and Beta rays are not that difficult to protect oneself from, fortunately.
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Throckmorton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:50 AM
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18. True, so long as they stay Beta Particles,
the decay chain causes many isotopes to decay from beta emitters into gamma emitters at a lower energy level as they head for the ground state.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:53 AM
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19. Ah time for these


And I guess these are nowhere near the wheel



Of course not... he's having FUN doing a wheelie!
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