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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 11:57 AM
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What're your opinions of the Saturn Vue Green Line?
I'm in the market for a new vehicle, and need more than a car. The research and reviews I've read said they tend to get the claimed mileage (27 city 35 highway). This would be a real step up over what I'm driving now. Thoughts?
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 12:15 PM
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1. I wish I had a green line VUE.
Ours is just a 4 cylinder '05 VUE. It gets great gas mileage tho' and we have no problem merging onto the freeway.

Another thought: this is our 5th Saturn. Wouldn't buy any other car. Good luck.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 12:24 PM
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2. Thanks for the reply.
I almost wish I could go with a Toyota hybrid, but I just need a little more car than one, living in Wyoming. The winters are long and there are lots of stretches of highway to cross to get anywhere.
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:00 PM
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4. The VUE will be a good car for you then, John.
We live in south Jersey and we have several ice storms this past winter. My hub travels about 32 miles one way to work and he had no problems, with the exception of one - he was on a curve, trying to light a cig (in other words, no paying attention) and the car slid. Fortunately, the VUE responded beautifully when he corrected the slide.

Good luck in your search.
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 12:25 PM
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3. Our last car was a Saturn and our next car will be a Saturn. Our '94 gets better gas mileage than
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 12:27 PM by poverlay
all of our friends '99-'07 non-Saturns!
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:03 PM
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5. Did you catch this post?
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 01:15 PM
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6. Man thanks for the link.
I need something relatively quickly....I want to wait until technology improves, but I'm thinking I have to buy this summer.
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 05:02 PM
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8. Oh thanks. I'll take a hybrid Tahoe please... ..n/t
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:07 PM
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7. I would buy my own "space-saver" spare and haul it around in the back
Did you know the vehicle has no spare? The space was taken up by a battery.

I am imagining getting a large, trailer hitch mounted bike rack and mounting it to the back for road trips. A four-bike rack could mount two bikes, then I would attach a spare tire to the upright square channel tubing of the rack in the manner that one mounts a spare tire to a dinghy trailer. Two U-bolts would go through four lug holes on the rim. Even if I did not have the bikes, I could use the spare tire mount.

I would need a cooperative Saturn dealer to help me figure out what is the smallest rim that you could fit on the hub and still clear the disc-brake apparatus on the front hub. As for tire sizing, I imagine that I would use the smaller diameter but maybe get a "truck" tire that has more plies and a higher weight rating.

Does this make sense or is the craziest thing?
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 05:19 PM
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9. Does it have runflats?
My Mini doesn't have a spare either. The runflats have a pretty hard ride and mine wore out quick. I replaced them with better performance tires and just carry a can of fix-a-flat now.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:17 AM
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12. The Saturn salesman said the runflats were a luxury car solution &not a good solution due to hi cost
Your fix a flat sounds like a good idea. I might suggest one of those "glue and plug" kits. Plugs are not as good of a solution as a tire patch, but you might be able to do the repair yourself when you are out in the middle of nowhere.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 09:20 PM
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10. When I had my Lumina, I opt for a Removable Roof rack to haul my bikes
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 09:35 PM by happyslug
Yakima and Thule and the two big names in removable roof racks. Thule has a better reputation when it comes to European cars (I suspect because Thule and the European car manufacturers work together to an extent that would be a violation of US anti-Trust laws in the US). Yakima has to go by what the car makers SAY the specs are (These are public records) as opposed to working with the car makers in making sure the rack and car have a tight as fit as possible. Thus, when I last did research on this 10 years ago, you had a lot of people on the net saying Thule was the better system, but almost all of them had European Cars.

On the other hand I liked my Yakima rack (Which Yakima has improved since I purchased a rack from them). It did everything I expected of it. I did have some additional wind noise where the clip of the rack fitted into the door, but that was my only problem.

Now when my Lumina was wrecked, I purchased my Jeep (Which I still have) but Yakima had no clips for Jeep Wranglers do to its design. This and the greater height of the Jeep that made it harder to get the bike onto the Roof made me opt for a bike Rack that fitted over the Spare wheel for my Jeep.

As to my Lumina, you had to lift the bike onto the roof, but given most bikes are less than 30 pounds that was NOT much of a Problem, even my sister who was five foot Four was able to do it (Through with some difficulty when it came to putting bikes in the MIDDLE of the rack, she still could do it on the edge). The Rack itself could be quite heavy if you installed ALL of the parts, but quite light if you broke it down and reassembled it on the roof when you needed it (Most parts fitted on to the steel rods with one attachment on each of the two rods).

Yakima had three systems, one that attached to any rain gutter you may have, a Second one that required permanent holes to be drilled (This what was recommend for my Jeep Wrangler) and the third and most popular system one that attached to the doors of the car (This is what I had for my Lumina).

The Yakima system had four parts, the various actual bike holders (of these more later), two steel posts that went from one side of the car to the other, four "Towers" (These were sold as sets of Four) that connected the Steel Posts to car via "Clips". The "Clips" came in sets of four, with a different clip for each model car. I ended up with two sets, one for my Lumina and another for my Sister's Sable. Hauled 4-5 bikes at a time. Yakima had two bikes holders at that time, and more now, all very good at keeping the bike on the car. If you took the rack apart it could take you 15-20 minutes to attached and re-attached the Rack, through only about 5 minutes if all you did was loosens the clips from the Towers and when all the clips were lose pick up the rack as one unit (Which is what I did, but then I am 6'2").

I mention this is that the Rack in addition to carrying bikes could also tote what Yakima called "Rocket Boxes" if you needed more storage AND and a open rack for things like a Spare Tire. The great Advantage of this is that you could opt for a FULL SIZE Tire instead of a Balloon. Just a different way to look on how to haul bicycles.

For more on Yakima Racks see:
http://www.yakima.com/

After I wrote the Above I went to the "Fit" Guide for A Saturn Vue, and found it came with a Factory Installed Roof rack. Yakima has adapters for that Rack for its Rack in addition to having Rear Racks.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:38 AM
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13. Saturn has the boffo tower design. There are several nuts for attaching Vue-specific rack towers...
...along each side of the car--probably about five on each side. The Vue does not have a roof rack that is clinging tenaciously on each side of a roof that was really not designed for roof racks.

My friend bought a Toyota Matrix and installed the Yakima roof rack system with my help. Yakima did a lot of design work and charges a lot of money for their towers. One has to crank down the adjusting bolts on each side incrementally, counting turns and watching the index stamped on each tower. The clips pull upward and they also pull inward like a claw to get a good fit. Even with all this engineering, the beast is not specified for more than 180 pounds.

If it were my car, I would have had someone pull down the roof liner and mount permanent channels to the roof.

My bias now is to mount things on the back to get them out of the slipstream. One slow day at the Chevrolet dealer, I perused the truck technical data that showed how to specify power and torque requirements. Frontal area was a big factor. Anything on the roof is going to mean lost energy.

However, the best solution may be to get a small car for commuting and then load it up when you have to.

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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 11:07 PM
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11. I have the Ford Escape Hybrid

I've been extremely happy. It's 4WD and has plenty of room.

Just throwing that out there in case you didn't have your mind set on just the Saturn.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:17 AM
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14. Thanks.
A FWD would be preferable really. What kind of mileage you getting?
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:49 PM
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15. This tank is in the 29 range.

The FWD gets better mileage. I'm only down to 29 right now because I'm commuting less than 5 miles each way. It takes a mile or so before it warms up in the morning, and the stupid traffic lights are spaced and timed to reduce speeders so I can't just drive the speed limit and maintain a good RPM.

When the RPM are under 2000 for a while, like when I'm driving between towns at 55 mph, I'm in the 34 mpg range.

I only got the 4WD because I live in a mountainous/snowy area and getting stuck sucks.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 05:55 PM
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16. :o)
I live in a snowy/mountainous place...in fact, it's been snowing for 5 hrs so far today. Here's a webcam.
http://www.actbwebcam.uwyo.edu/view/view.shtml
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:48 PM
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17. Give and take...

...on the one hand, in cold environments hybrids do less well since all cars that burn gas need to warm up.

On the other hand, your savings could be improved a lot if you are driving up and down hills -- braking
in a non-hybrid is a major energy waster. What's your mileage in what you are driving as opposed to a flatlander?

That being the case you'll want to be looking at two things: the HP of the electric motor and the "C" value of the
battery pack, or a "peak power" rating if you cannot get that, which usually determines how fast electricity can be pumped back in when braking. Also saves the brakepads.

Wikipedia is very useful here, though they fall short of giving the stats in any standardized way like they do with the gas engines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_VUE#Green_Line (battery peak power 10Kw, motor peak power 152ft lbs, C=??)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Escape_Hybrid (electric 84HP motor, also available as Mercury Mariner, C=??)

Another to look at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Kluger#Hybrid

And there may be other interesting ones here, like the Lexus if you are loaded:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hybrid_vehicles#2007

The current (2007) tech in the Vue does not impress me. The "full mode" stuff they are rolling out in the next model looks a lot better, and they may even beat Toyota to a manufacturer plug-in kit, and will be using top notch advanced batteries for that (A123).

However the Escape has a drivetrain only slightly less advanced than Toyota's Synergy Drive and a post-manufacturer PHEV kit is already being made for it (Hymotion)
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