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kvnf Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 03:16 PM
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Should we join the ICC?
The international criminal court...
Clinton signed the treaty, Bush un-signed it (kind of). Congress passed the ASPA to make sure everyone understood we're against it.
But with world opinion solidly against us, I think joining the ICC could be a good move if Kerry gets elected and we miraculously take back Congress. We really need to show the world we're ready to play ball following the rules.
I think we could get a lot of respect back if we did. I mean, after Iraq, we no longer have the ability to do what we want. Even before Iraq, we had millions around the world protest. Most of the governments who joined us in Iraq faced steep resentment from their people...There is NO WAY they'd consider doing it again. No, Bush has totally screwed us over.
We should join the ICC and start supporting interntional law a little more.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 03:19 PM
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1. Well, yeah, it might help our credibility. nt
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 03:30 PM
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2. The United States should join the ICC
Reference: The Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court.

The offensive provisions of the ASPA should be repealed.

It should be obvious by now that Americans are not above committing war crimes or setting up an apparatus where they can be committed. Mr. Bush signed executive orders establishing a system of detainment for the war on terror that put the system beyond the scrutiny of federal and international oversight. The purpose was to circumvent the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions.

In addition, the invasion of Iraq was a preventive war, not a preemptive strike. It was a naked act of aggression and a violation of the UN Charter. The invasion of Iraq is a war crime on its face.

Under the Rome Statute, the ICC will not become involved unless the responsible country is unable or unwilling to prosecute war crimes suspects. Will the US be able or willing to prosecute Bush, Rumsfeld and others? I am not satisfied with courts martial for enlisted personnel, reprimands for officers and a couple of firings of CACI contractors. The responsibility for the crimes at Abu Ghraib and other US detention facilities around the world go beyond those people. If the US cannot be trusted to call those responsible for account, then it simply demonstrates that the ICC is needed and that the President of the United States -- or an impostor masquerading as such -- is not above international law and should not be beyond the reach of the International Criminal Court.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:55 PM
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3. Certainly...
it's not like our leaders and officials are innocent of war crimes, or ever will be.
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Munnin Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 03:09 PM
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4. To keep this from happening again
Two steps must be taken.

1) Re-sign the ICC
2) prosecute several people in the bush cabinet.

That will put the fear of god into them and nothing else will, yes not even god.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 08:29 PM
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5. I agree!!! The ICC can only bring justice for the horrible....
acts that the BFEE has committed against the world.
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EdGy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:47 AM
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6. why should Americans be exempt from human rights laws?
Unless they want immunity to do whatever they want, American citizens, including presidents and other officials, should be subject to the same laws as everyone else.

Any resistance to this is clear evidence that all of the US claims to belief in democracy and human rights is absolute bullshit.
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