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rdenney Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:56 AM
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America’s Shooting Gallery 5.20
America’s Shooting Gallery 5.20

* CA: A San Mateo man, Matthew Andrew O'Reilly, 29, is wanted in connection with a double homicide outside of a Sunnyvale strip club.
* RI: During his child's birthday parthy, a Cranston firefighter, James Pagano got into a heated argument with his neighbor, a retired Providence police officer, Nick Gianquitti. Officer Gianquitti allegedly grabbed a gun and shot Pagano dead.
* ME: Jennifer Lessard, 40, and the mother of two was shot by her ex-boyfriend, Albert "Sonny" Merrill Jr. with a .22 caliber Ruger handgun. He then turned the gun on himself.
* CA: A man on trial for attempted murder in connection with the shooting of his girlfriend has a history of shooting women. Lynne Webb testified that her former boyfriend and father of her child, William "Mookie" Johnson, shot her more than 16 years ago after they had an argument while high on drugs. Johnson, 45, is on trial for attempted murder for allegedly shooting his girlfriend Nicole Henderson, 38, on Jan. 2, 2007, in front of an Oakland child care center where she worked.
* IL: Three separate and unrelated shootings in the Englewood neighborhood Monday left a woman and two men wounded.
* MD: n the wake of two shootings over the weekend in one of Columbia's oldest communities - including one that left a 23-year-old man dead - Howard County police plan to meet with residents tonight to discuss the crimes.
* IL: In East St. Louis, a dozen Illinois State Police investigators were looking for leads or suspects today in the shooting of two men in Washington Park Monday night and a later shooting that wounded the driver of an ambulance taking one of the victims to a hospital.
* NC: Washington Police looking for suspects in two shootings.
* IL: A suburban teenager, Alex Rivera, 18, was found not guilty by reason of insanity Monday in the shooting and wounding of his parents last year in their Streamwood home.
* IN: A 20-year-old man was arrested Monday on charges of killing one teenager and wounding another as the two teens and a third man broke into parked cars on north side of town. The dead teen, Domonique Allen, made it only a few steps before falling into the front yard of a house and was pronounced dead of multiple gunshot wounds.

More: America's Shooting Gallery

http://www.gunguys.com/#post-3005
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:02 AM
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1. So where's "America's Knifing Gallery" for all the people stabbed?
and "America's Clubbing Gallery" for all the people killed with blunt force instruments.

I think it's high time we outlaw steak knives and baseball bats.

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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:05 AM
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2. If I hear you correctly I think you're saying that if we armed ALL teenagers not just some
Edited on Wed May-21-08 02:09 AM by kenny blankenship
and put guns in the hands of BOTH sides of a troubled marriage, distributed them EQUALLY among squabbling neighbors, etc. then probably none of this carnage would be happening, yes? I mean everybody knows an armed society is a polite society. If these folks weren't all polite then there must have been a critical deficit of guns in the system somewhere.
I might not be reading you loud and clear, what with all shooting going on down the block and this pistol I'm cleaningtest firing next to my ear. Is that the gist?
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:28 AM
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6. "everybody knows an armed society is a polite society"
Really? I mean REALLY? How do we know this?
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:57 AM
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7. Well I must have read that phrase 100 times here at DU over the years - and look at Iraq
those people are extremely formal.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:19 AM
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3. 80+ million gun owners didn't shoot at anyone today with thier 280+million firearms.
And they wont tomorrow, or next week, or next year.
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rdenney Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:25 AM
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5. Really? Then how come everyday people are shot to death in the US?
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:47 AM
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9. In the U.S. for 2001 = 42,196 traffic fatalities
http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx

2001 U.S.firearm fatalities = Homicide 11,348; Accident 802

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html


Looks like we've got bigger problems.
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rdenney Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:04 AM
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10. Yes. How many car fatalities were the result of intentional murder?
huh, smarty-pants? How many murders were caused by a gun being readily available? Oh yeah, thats right; vehicle- death accidents are unintentional accidents, but most shootings are planned or intentional bloody murders.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:21 AM
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11. if intentional murder is the problem...
Why are you not, posting the stats for knife, fist, pipe, ball bat, cars, and other ways of killing people willfully??

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rdenney Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:27 AM
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13. Guns are designed to kill. For the IQ challenged, of course.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:07 AM
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15. Ahh...the dreaded "designed to kill" meme...
"Guns are designed to kill. For the IQ challenged, of course."

Unless that statement can be tortured into meaning that guns are designed and sold with lawless behavior in mind, You have no point.

Unless YOU CAN SHOW guns are designed and sold with lawless behavior in mind, as opposed to lawful purposes, they're just a device amongst many devices, that can be mis-used.

Put that in your little "IQ challenged" pipe and smoke it.
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DrCory Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:58 AM
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17. LOL! I think you've been "owned" by post # 15
N/T
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 02:58 PM
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23. And your point? (nt)
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:50 AM
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20. It's the old NRA car-gun analogy....
Which really is a false analogy. In other words, they're trying to prove a point by saying "So what if guns cause 11,000 deaths a year in this country--car accidents cause more deaths that that". I guess they're trying to say that adding the number of car deaths to the number of gun deaths every year makes the gun deaths unimportant.

I never understood that kind of logic; it's the same logic Bush et al used when we pointed out that our troops were being killed in an unnecessary, brutal war. Freepers everywhere were saying "So what? More people are killed by cars every year"!

ALL gun nuts use this so-called analogy over and over and over again. No matter how many times they use it, though, it still doesn't prove a point. It's the Karl Rove School of Politics.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:09 AM
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12. Because theres a few bad apples...
Because theres a few bad apples, but that doesn't spoil the whole basket.
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 09:18 AM
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22. No one disputes that.
Then how come everyday people are shot to death in the US?

No one disputes that every day people are shot to death in the United States.

Records show there are about 10,000 firearm homicides annually in the United States, by all types of firearms. This means that you can expect, on average, about 27 firearm homicides every day. So it's pretty trivial to come up with a "American Shooting Gallery" post on any given day like you did.

And of course the idea behind such posts is to paint a picture of rampant firearm mayhem.

But what said not said is this:

There are an estimated 250,000,000 firearms in the United States, owned by some 40,000,000 to 80,000,000 people.

This means that every year only .004% - four hundredths of a percent - of firearms are involved in murders every year. And it means that only .025% - .0125% of firearm owners are involved in murders every year - less than three tenths of a percent.

Put another way, every year 99.996% of firearms and 99.975% of firearm owners are not involved in homicides.
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M24PS90 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:26 AM
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4. You follow
in the sad foot steps of Zanne and regurgitate hyperbole from gunguys!

I feel that you use of these incidents is nothing but a shallow attempt to act like you even care. These are real people who suffered greatly because of OTHER people. I am sure glad that we have guns to blame though. I mean after we get done blaming their parents for what ever and then blaming society for what not and let us not forget the system that forced people to do these evil things.

I think that covers a good deal of the crap that people use to avoid taking real responsibility for their own evil actions. I personally blame pencils. They caused a lot of miss communication when they misspell words you know.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:17 AM
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8. over 25 thousand people in Berks County, PA
have Licenses to carry firearms at this time.
No blood on the streets.No mass murders or random shootings by all these people have been reported.

Anti-gun people mystified.
"If you have a gun, why not kill somebody with it", says rdenny,"I know that's what I would do."

If you don't wish to won a gun, don't. Allow others the free choice to do so or not as they see fit.
mark
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:52 AM
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21. rdenny didn't say that and you know it.
You sound like a twelve year-old.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:36 AM
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14. Oh Look! It's Guns In The News Version 3.2 ... yawn.
A copy and paste a crime blotter from an anti gun web site, like the phony Gun Guys or the Joyce Foundation Funded 3 member American Hunters and Shooters Assn. is not going to change the minds of law abiding gun owners, some of us who have been in the shooting sports for over 40 years, and it damn well will have no impact on anyone that has criminal intentions.

I'm guessing the objective is to embarass or shame gun owners, or more likely to just make yourself feel good, like most gun laws. Pointless and immaterial to any worthwhile results.

But at least you follow in hallowed footsteps of others that have done exactly the same thing ... for a few months. Then they were ultimately ignored and got tired of it and just went away when they couldn't get a rise out of anybody.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:11 AM
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16. Or...
"Then they were ultimately ignored and got tired of it and just went away when they couldn't get a rise out of anybody."

Or the met an untimely (or timely in some cases) Demise:

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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:47 AM
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18. And so on...........
Missouri City resident wounds attempted robber

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5793973.html

A man who invaded a Missouri City residence ended up bleeding in the street after being shot by a man who lives there with his mother, police said.

http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/labels/home%20invasion.html

Homeowner Shoots and Kills Intruder

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=8345057

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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:17 PM
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19. Thoughts and Prayers to the victims and the families of the lost.
I hope the criminals who committed most of these acts are prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

David
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