Sarah Palin honored by NRA with special Alaska-themed assault rifle

How supremely $*#@%@ up is this?



Sarah Palin honored by NRA with special Alaska-themed assault rifle






(NY Daily News)


BY James Gordon Meek
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

May 4, 2009

An "assault rifle" is a fully-automatic firearm.

An "assault weapon" is a defined semiautomatic firearm.


...and yes, the .50 Beowulf is a very powerful round, but ANY hunting rifle caliber will penetrate body armor.

...if they're not willing to do something similar for Jon Tester or Jim Webb, there's something seriously wrong with this equation.

Mama Pitbull's gotta an assault weapon.

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Psst Sarah, Tawd still has a tiny penis.

Took about 22 minutes.

on this thread? Thanks in advance.

Just look for yourself.

Two posts were made 22 minutes after the OP, one of which was your own. The other, post #14, in no way could be considered "chiming in with...support for this."

You are full of baloney, good sir.

I'll wait patiently.

(I know the answer, the question is facetious.)

Someone making a custom made gun, the gun itself, palin?

I've put together an AR-15 before, sure they look all scary but they do the same thing other rifles do, they fire a projectile - same type of projectile - as other less scary looking guns (and no, I don't own any guns and have no plans on buying any, though I do enjoy firing them at targets while at my sister's house out in the country).

Taken apart they look like this (and note, this one has a larger clip, though the caliber is different than the one in the OP):

A clip is, pedantically, a small piece of metal which holds rounds in place within a magazine. The M1 Garand mentioned elsewhere is an ideal example of this. The rifle's magazine stores eight rounds, which are held in place with a clip. After insertion the clip becomes an integral part of the rifle's mechanism, the action gripping and feeding from the clip, which is ejected once it has been expended. Rounds were issued to the soldiers in boxes, and were then transferred onto eight-round clips, which were fed into the M1's magazine. The terms 'clip' and 'magazine' have understandably become confused. Most military terminology is arbitrary and subject to change, and thus there is no reason to agonise over the supposed misuse of each term. The many definitions of the words 'gun' and 'cannon' are proof enough that the subject is trapped in sticky mud.

The removable magazine was an innovation pioneered during the First World War, initially for light machine-guns such as the BAR and Lewis Gun. Clips do nothing to keep ammunition clean and protected in the field, and furthermore they can break and allow the ammunition to fall out. The process of holding back the rifle's bolt, placing the clip into the receiver's guide rails, pushing the rounds down into the magazine and manipulating the bolt again was slow, fiddly, and liable to push dirt and mud into the magazine along with the bullets. By the end of the Second World War most of the world's battle rifles and all assault rifles were fed with removable magazines, their weight a small price to pay for their advantages. Removable magazines still have to be fed with bullets, however, either individually (often with the help of special tools), or from stripper clips.

There is a further complication, in the form of the stripper clip. To take an example, Britain's first repeating rifle was the Lee-Metford, eventually better known as the modifed Lee-Enfield. This was equipped with a removable box magazine which held ten rounds, although the magazine was in reality rarely removed. Instead, it was fed with stripper clips which held five rounds apiece. Unlike the clips described above, these stripper clips did not subsequently form part of the rifle's mechanism and were discarded after the magazine had been fed. Very few people nowadays bother to make the distinction between clips and stripper clips, rightly so.

...if you think all gun owners approve of everything the NRA does.

similar to the .500 Smith & Wesson Revolver (handgun) cartridge - it uses a similar flat nose or hollow point flat nose .50 caliber PISTOL bullet in an straight walled case similar to the 7.62 X 39 AK round. Is has about NO relation at all to the "heavy machine guns" , the .50 BMG ( Browning Machine Gun) cartridge which would not even fit into an AR size receiver, and is way too powerful to be fired in that type of rifle. The .50 BMG is one of the cartridges that is used in the bolt action Barrett rifle, a much heavier, stronger and larger rifle.
Jim, if you are going to be aghast at guns, at least get your head out of your ass and report the correct information. There is more than enough anti- gun bullshit going around without adding to it.
I am a gun owning Democrat.
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I caught that .50 Beowulf angle, too - it's just too new a design to have been used by any military for any length of time. I'm not saying it's not a good round, but the .50 BMG has proven itself for many years.

an autoloading rifle. Seems to be similar to a .30-30 with a big flat pistol bullet - a short range rifle at best.
A .50 cal machine gun is a completely different thing, several times more powerful, very long range, heavier, pointed jacketed bullet in a much larger rebated case.

mark

Which is probably a good thing, with certain large game.

It's a low-velocity, short-range hunting round.

What I've been hearing is that the 5.56x45mm cartridge is just fine if you've got a barrel at least 16-18" long, but there are still issues with stopping power and muzzle velocity.

So now I'm hearing of some military units experimenting with 6.8 SPC, which offers a little more range than the 5.56 but packs a lot more wallop. Then there's the proprietary 6.5 Grendel, which supposedly delivers the punch of a 6.8 SPC with dramatically increased muzzle velocity and distance.

.223 Remington/5.56x45mm is an excellent civilian defensive round, and an excellent choice for LEO's, but it lacks penetration in urban environments and lacks energy at long range. The original premise was that full auto or 3-shot burst capability would make up for the low power, but in some situations it doesn't work out that way. Having said that, it's generally considered "good enough" in the military, and given the expense of switching the entire U.S. military to an entirely different caliber, we'll probably keep using the 5.56x45mm for quite a while.

.50 Beowulf, for its part, is comparable to a 20-gauge shotgun shooting slugs. It gives you the utility of a 20-gauge slug gun with the ergonomic advantages of the AR-15 platform, and the gun can be switch back and forth between .223 and .50 Beowulf by changing uppers.

Very misleading article.

:scared:

Or she'll sleep with it like that idiot did last week.

She has shown herself to be competent at handling firearms.

the "evil 50 cal" projectile traditionally comes in around at 700 grains




the Beowulf comes in less than 400 grains and is a relatively smaller round

Because I can imagine the uninitiated seeing that second photo and going 'HOLY SHIT'

The homecoming queen has a gun
;-)

If it is the civilian version of the CAR 15 or the M-4 it is a .223 caliber..

.223 v .500 S&W v .50 Beowulf

It's ballistically similar to .45-70, and is suitable for bear hunting.

Pretty cool design if you ask me.

on edit: the article says it's a M-4


The all-white "Alaskan Hunter" - fashionable until Labor Day - is the civilian version of a modified M-4 rifle carried by U.S. troops overseas.

a semiautomatic rifle an "assault rifle".

It's pure comedy to see an anti-gun beetle roll his ball of lies and even more laughable to see the anti-RKBA group feast off that ball.

recognize it as a threat to an enumerated right protected by our Constitution.

The anti-RKBA group behaves like the Black Knight from the Monty Python skit in fighting a battle they have already lost among voters.

to read the captions. "The rifle is chambered in .50-caliber "Beowulf." It's the same caliber used by heavy machine guns, which can take down big game, and in war zones "can disable both motor vehicles and assailants with body armor," according to ammo manufacturer Alexander Arms' Web site."

.50 Beowulf in no way resembles .50BMG rounds, which are actually used in heavy machineguns. .50 Beowulf rounds are fat, relatively short cartridges, great for close-range stopping power. I'm not sure about their AP capabilities: Fat, pistol-style bullets are not famous for their armor-piercing capabilities. Probably would make a great hunting weapon, though.

Just because two things sound similar does not make them the same, and it's not "semantics" to insist that we call things by their right name. That's like saying that the difference between "interrogation" and "torture" is just semantics.

Which matched the content of the article in inaccuracy.

It was given to Palin and the limit on gifts is $250. The gun is estimated to be worth $1,200.

Expect another ethics complaint to be filed against her.

I wonder how this is going to play out. Probaly nothing is going to happen but if that is the rule then something should happen.

Here's what I see happening:

Palin will give the gun to the state for as long as she's in office.

As soon as she leaves, she'll take the gun and dare the state to go after her for it.

to be used for pest control.

except for the part where it is inscribed, In Honor of Governor Sarah Palin. But she was pretty clear about supporting the 2nd Amendment so it is understandable.


The Beowulf round is a thumper.

Does it leak oil? Or does Palin get free furniture from the maker? Can its scope resolve territory in Russia? Will the GOP finance free accessories?

(Sorry, Alaskans. I realize how unfair it is that Palin is the current face of your state in the news.)

Like they have to tell her what to use it on. "Sarah, shoot MOOSE with this rifle, not your daughters' embarrassing ex-boyfriends."

that's one hideous looking rifle.

This configuration isn't unheard of. It's mainly for those who say "All I want is a plain-Jane Stoner rifle with just enough of a rail mount for some good optics to help keep varmints at bay." It gets the job done.

The inclusion of the Vltor EMOD stock is a nice touch, though. It's sturdy and should comfortably accommodate practically any shooter in the Heath/Palin clan.

That article is so full of shit, I can smell it down here...

And I want one!!

AND:

The .50 Beowolf, it a based on the .50 caliber MUZZLE LOADING SABOT ROUND!, The only modifications to a AR15 to use this caliber, is the complete upper, and the mag follower in standard AR15 magazines... With this round, the AR15 can be used against LARGE GAME, like Moose, and Elk, not to mention Wild Boars and other dangerous game.

They have schools in Alaska, right?

Be afraid!! Be very afraid!!!

very fast. I used the M-16A2 when I was in the Army, and even on semi-, it can fire at a literally murderous rate. So that's four students right there. But only four, so I suppose that's okay. It's not Virginia Tech, right?

Thing is, any magazine-fed rifle is going to be faster to reload than any single-shot breech-loaded piece. So "only four" is a specious argument.

The day some shithead takes out a school yard with a single-shot, muzzle-loaded, black powder musket, I'll log off of DU and never return.

I expect I'll be here for a long time yet...

Are you for banning all guns except breech loading single shot rifles? (Virginia Tech was a gun-free zone so it isn't possible that somebody went there armed)

There's a problem; There is a solution to the problem; but the solution is not perfect; therefore, there is no point in trying to solve the problem.

A logical fallacy.

to last me the rest of my life. I'm not Hirohito, I'm Shimoji but thanks for the ethnic slur.

and I wanted to include a well-known Japanese name. I figured that name was the best-known...

Anyway, not meant to be a slur. I apologize.

Than why the push to ban magazines over 10 rounds?? I always said it was a specious argument.

i.e. one and only one shot per trigger pull. Yes, I know they can be fired relatively quickly, and yes, I know how quickly detachable-magazine guns can be reloaded; I shoot competitively with them (IPSC/USPSA).

But given that only 3% of U.S. murders involve ANY type of rifle, I think the fearmongering here is ridiculous. Twice as many Americans are murdered annually using shoes and bare hands as using all rifles combined.

It's a civilian rifle, for pete's sake, and one with a paramecium-sized magazine. And although it's in an unusual caliber due to its intended role as a hunting gun, the AR-15 is the most popular centerfire rifle in the United States among law-abiding shooters.

but please don't joke about such things.

the mooses are notorious anti-gun tree-hugging vegan libruls with a penchant for lattes.

The poor animal would be tattered to shreads from that weapon. Ugh.

it's an oversized pistol round meant for large game at a shorter distance. Shoot for the heart / lungs, which you don't eat anyway, and have a truckload of tasty meat.

I think most who buy it is for show and 'defiance'.

I find it odd that one is not allowed to drive a car until they take formal training and pass a state certified test. I think the same should be done for those who wish to own guns. Too many people out there own guns and have no clue how to use them. Scary

a rifle like this



can hunt with the above rifle. Same semi-automatic operation, gas-operated action, same 5 round magazine.

The one in the OP has a collapsible stock making it more comfortable for a larger number of users and it is less apt to get dinged up than the traditional-looking one above.

then go down the street and rent a 24 foot Ryder truck...like the one Timothy McVeigh used.
Too many people out there drive trucks and have no clue how to use them. Scary.

except the rifle in the OP is not as powerful. The OP rifle is ballistically more similar to a 20-gauge shotgun shooting slugs, while the rifle above (Browning Mark II Safari Grade) is a .300 WSSM with half again as much kinetic energy.

And yes, the AR-15/AR-10 platform is an excellent hunting rifle, in suitable calibers.



I think a lot of people are projecting their feelings about Palin on the rifle. But that's the most popular civilian centerfire rifle in America, although most are not chambered for that particular caliber.

BTW, you don't have to take driver's ed and get a license to own a car; you have to take driver's ed and get a license to operate that car on public roads. Just like you have to take a class and get a license to carry a firearm in public in most states.

I hold a North Carolina carry license; I think you'd be surprised at the vetting process.

It shoots one bullet per trigger pull. One fat, short-range round that will drop a fairly large animal quite quickly. Stop exaggerating the power of bullets: When the NRA gives Palin a 30mm Avenger cannon to hunt with, I'll start complaining.

and don't need any special training to own them. You only need a license to drive them. In most states you now need a hunters education class to go hunting, then you get a hunting license.

I agree that people that wish to carry guns in public (as in concealed carry) should have to take a test and get a card.

Past that, guns, like any of a vast array of mechanical devices, are one of those things you can learn to use and enjoy on your own with the owner's manual. Obviously, knowing how to properly use a gun is a far cry from being trained in some kind of SWAT-like standard, but basic competence in handling a gun and hitting a stationary target isn't that hard.

I'm self-taught. I downloaded and read several owner's manuals for guns and got a subscription to Guns&Ammo and carefully read and envisioned the articles contained in it, especially with regard to shooting safety, technique, and practice.

and fires exactly once when the trigger is pulled, just like any other civilian rifle.

It's considerably less powerful than this:

The .50 Beowulf is a powerful round, but not at all overkill for an elk, moose, or bear.

That rifle is the firearm version of a Hummer.

When you see a Hummer on the road are you afraid that the driver has an up-armored military vehicle capable of mounting crew served machineguns and defeating small caliber ammunition, rpg, and explosive devices?

How will cops shoot at bank robbers in Hummers? They are virtually impervious to small arms and that crew serve heavy machinegun will kill police by the dozens. Likely we will see thousands of bank robberies involving Hummers since they are weapons of war.

Oh wait.... Hummer is a civilian vehicle that simply gets its styling from a military weapon.

Kinda like this completely legal semi-auto rifle (aka not an assault rifle). Oh yeah kinda like that.

Should we also outlaw camouflage cause the military uses it?
What about radios the military uses those too? Maybe just military looking radios?
Maybe boots? Black leather ones are fine now. Military only uses the tan boots so black ones should be "safe" for civilians?

It must be sad to be afraid of nothing.

Duck there another "war machine" drove by.

or the 'barbie' one..

If you see Santa Claus, could you remind him for me? Kthx.

(I draw the line at having a pink finish applied :smoke:).

Doesn't have to be pink; a lavender finish will do just fine. ;)

i need to call the rangemaster and see if there is a color requirement for our AR's.

weapon that could kill you in .3 seconds?

That atrocious handgrip is required by the state of California, because the gun-404 legislators decided that a vertical handgrip is of the debbil and turns ordinary civilian rifles into evil death machines. The owner decided that if the legislators considered the AR-15 a Scawwy Black Rifle, then it would be ironic to turn it into a Friendly Pink Rifle.

Look how versatile the AR platform is:

One day you're hunting varmints from long range with your .223, the next you throw a different upper on it and you've got a GREAT big game brush gun, all while using the same magazines for both!

That woman looks just like the older sister from "Lilo and Stitch". I know, I know, too many 3-year old type movies play around here.

Califonia? or other AWB state? :-(

To decrease the number of 'evil features'..

The easy way is to make the magazine non-removable (without a tool), then you can have all kinds of 'evil features' if your lower receiver is 'off-list'. There are fixed magazines where you have to pull the rear takedown pin to reload, 'pump' ARs, ARs with that funky grip, other weird shaped stocks that don't enclose the buffer tube..

A ban based on cosmetics will be met with creative alternatives.

I was planning to make a bullet button myself and add a grip for my Kel Tec, but I have stalled that plan for now. Have to save up money for ammo and such. Good ole California.

"A tribute to the Governor" :rofl:

AK means "lock 'n' load o' lovin'."

...The rifle is chambered in .50-caliber "Beowulf." It's the same caliber used by heavy machine guns...

That is bullshit. It's far less powerful than .50 BMG. It's designed to shoot very heavy bullets to modest velocity. It is not a long-range cartridge.

One interesting point to mention about .50 Bewulf is that an M16 magazine that normally holds 30 rounds of 5.56 mm ammunition holds 10 of .50 Beowulf.

God, that looks like a piece of crud. Hey, I like military-style looks and durability, but whatever happened to a beautifully crafted lever-action with gorgeous woodwork?

Fuckin' idiot! This person needs to be smacked with something substantially heavy.




The .50 Beowulf shoots a 400-grain bullet at 1,875 ft/s for 3,125 ft-lbs of energy.


The .50 BMG (which IS shot from a very large, heavy machine gun) launches an 800-grain bullet (twice as heavy) at 2,900 ft/s (over 50% faster) for a hair under 15,000 ft-lbs of energy!


It's one-fifth as powerful as the .50 BMG and has one-third the kick. And probably half the overall lenght!




The .50 Beowulf has a fairly short and stubby bullet, limiting its effectiveness to a couple of hundred yards. In fact, the .50 Beowulf is between the lever-action .45-70 and the lever-action .450 Marlin in terms of power.

I'd say that the weapon roughly corresponds to a .45-70 lever action, in terms of effective firing rate and rough power.

We have to ban Marlins and Winchesters! They can shoot down airliners!

BARF.

The .50 Beowulf is the same caliber as in .50 Browning Machine Gun with respect to bullet diameter, but the bullet it fires has half the weight and 62% of the .50 BMG's velocity. Firing the .50 BMG round from a 7 lb rifle without a muzzle brake would produce enough recoil to dislocate your shoulder.

.50 Beowulf: 300 grain bullet (19 gram) Speer Gold Dot 1,870 ft/s (570 m/s) 2,330 ft·lbf (3,160 J)
.50 BMG: 647 grain bullet (41.9 gram) Speer 3,044 ft/s (928 m/s) 13,144 ft·lbf (17,821 J)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Beowulf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG

How about just doing a little research?

And that pistol cartridge reduces mag capacity to half.

I'm surprised so many people say it is ugly.

Short, fat, compact rifle. The eotech adds to that look. And a similar cartridge. I'm not sure that it is terribly practical outside of the sandbox. I think most people would prefer more velocity for moose or grizz either one.

I really don't like the barrel shroud, but I think the big dipper machined into the mag well is sorta novel.

All in all, it looks a lot better than the new owner.

I'll give you that.