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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:16 PM
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Pro-gun bloggers cover NRA convention
Source: CSMonitor
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/05/16/a-rifle-in-one-hand-a-laptop-in-the-other-behind-the-scene-with-pro-gun-bloggers/

While many old-school beat reporters stayed in New York or Washington this weekend to write about conventional political and social events, the pseudonymous “Sebastian” live-blogged GOP head Michael Steele’s fiery speech from the press box at the National Rifle Association convention in Phoenix.

<snip>

With some 55,000 readers a month, Sebastian, an “IT guy” from Pennsylvania who writes the snowflakesinhell.com blog, is part of a contrarian gang of gun bloggers attending the 2nd Annual Second Amendment Blog Bash here.

But here’s the real news: In the press box, bloggers outnumbered national reporters by a good margin. And officially, nearly 50 bloggers — compared to 100 mainstream print journalists — were accredited by the NRA press office to attend the 138th annual convention.

<snip>

While their standard battle stance is from an underdog position, the pro-gun forces are, for now at least, winning the battle for hearts and minds, even gun control advocates concede.

“If you compare the pro-gun activity in the blogosphere versus the pro-gun-control activity, the scales have just tipped tremendously in their favor,” says Josh Sugarmann, founder of the Violence Policy Center in Washington, which advocates for more gun control in the US. “There’s much more engagement, more involvement, and they clearly have more free time than people on our side of the issue do.”

In the process, gun bloggers are taking on issues like gun control preemption laws in Philadelphia and putting pressure on firearms firms for their choice of spokesmen. And while their reach can be argued, their rise appears to mirror polling data showing that Americans, sometimes by double-digit gains, increasingly favor more gun freedoms, not gun control.

Gun control groups have roughly 150,000 members in the US while gun rights advocates number closer to 12 million, with perhaps as many as 80 million Americans owning some 200 million firearms.

<snip>

NRA board of directors member Tim Pawol says the NRA appreciates the role of the gun-bloggers, saying they can tackle especially local issues that the NRA doesn’t have the resources to focus on. But some say the bloggers are even more influential than that, often pulling the NRA into fights or stances — not the other way around.

“It’s an interesting phenomenon in a political science sense,” says Dave Kopel, research director at the conservative Independence Institute in Golden, Colo. “You wouldn’t know it from reading the New York Times, but the communicative message of the pro-gun side is not nearly as much something that is under NRA control as it used to be.”

The NRA’s early hands-off stance on the Supreme Court’s Heller case, which last year affirmed the right of citizens to protect themselves with firearms, infuriated Kevin Baker, the proprietor of “The Smallest Minority blog”, a story he has detailed at length.

“They wanted to derail it because they were scared it would fail,” says Mr. Baker.


Man, Sugarman sounds bitter- "There’s much more engagement, more involvement, and they clearly have more free time than people on our side of the issue do."

No, Josh, we're working stiffs with 9-to-5 jobs, unlike paid lobbyists with funding from groups like the Joyce Foundation. However, we talk to each other and out-organize at the local level. We really are grassroots, regardless of what the anti's in our party like to think.

150,000 brady-ites vs 4m NRA members + 300,000 GOA members + bunch of state / local orgs
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:25 PM
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1. Not to mention the rapidly growing domestic terrorism numbers.
They alone, will keep the gun companies humming along.

This Constitutionally protected retail item is under no danger whatsoever.
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east texas lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:22 PM
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5. Hat on a little too tight today? nt,
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:53 PM
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6. Somebody probably put Ben Gay in his jock strap.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:50 AM
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8. Janet Napolitano and DHS
Have probably already seen my DD214 and wonder what all manner of things I learned in 26 years of active duty that might scare them.................

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 06:06 PM
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11. Come on, let's not give that crap credence.
The report was talking about Timmy McVeigh types, and anyone who reads it knows that. Bad enough that the right wing is spinning it that way, we don't need to give them any help.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:28 PM
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13. not stretching too far
I seem to recall you posted about Iraqi war vets being denied CCW permits because they went through the now required PTSD counseling for all returnees. Those draft-card burning flower children that spit on us and called us baby-killers forty years ago are the big wheels in the Party now.

Carolyn McCarthy has campaigned vigorously to have military and VA medical records included into NICS.

There are way too many folks in the Democratic Party that think military service is only for the underclass. Perhaps it just rankles me because too many of best men I ever served with never came home.
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Pullo Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:30 PM
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2. Poor Josh.
He and his friends have a problem. It was always so convenient just to blame the NRA.

Its usually a good omen when Sugarmann starts whining.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:48 PM
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4. Don't worry, Josh can always go to Selling Guns..
After all, he is the ONLY FFL HOLDER in Washington DC....
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yay Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:38 PM
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7. Why is that?
Almost makes me want to go do washington DC and start a shop up. Almost.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 01:29 PM
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9. You need local govt approval to get FFL
DC will NEVER give it to you.

It is their defacto ban.

1) Not 1 square inch of DC is zoned to allow a retail gun shop (zoning ordinance requires that gunshops & ranges by in special zone and none of DC is zoned appropriately)
2) DC will only approve an FFL w/ retail location.

#2 see #1.... defacto ban.

3 new lawsuits in DC on FFL policy and lack of land for gunzone.

One lawsuit is arguing that residents should be able to bun guns across state lines.

If the courts OK it in DC case it would blow wide open the interstate regulations on the other 50 states.
DC with their small view mentality can't see the big picture issue.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 06:47 PM
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3. LOL!!!! I read this earlier today..
Does my heart good..

Lets keep the pressure on those anti-civil rights Republicans like Sara Brady and Mike Bloomberg, we are winning, lets marginalize THEM, like they tried to do to us!!

After all, they are clearly "outside of the mainstream"...
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 04:20 PM
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10. The narrative on gun laws is now out of the hands of the elites (incl. the NRA)
Sugarman is of course bitter. Anything he says is now sliced, diced and stir-fried on the blogosphere,
and the critiques get sent to the MSM, who can't just accept VPC diktats uncritically as they can't afford
to piss off the punters.

The blogosphere also put paid to the former model of "The NRA speaks for the gun owner, who gratefully
responds by sending much cabbage, which we then spend on politics and publicity". The bloggers had to
drag along the NRA on several issues. From the article:

NRA board of directors member Tim Pawol says the NRA appreciates the role of the gun-bloggers, saying they can tackle especially local issues that the NRA doesn’t have the resources to focus on. But some say the bloggers are even more influential than that, often pulling the NRA into fights or stances — not the other way around.

“It’s an interesting phenomenon in a political science sense,” says Dave Kopel, research director at the conservative Independence Institute in Golden, Colo. “You wouldn’t know it from reading the New York Times, but the communicative message of the pro-gun side is not nearly as much something that is under NRA control as it used to be.”

The NRA’s early hands-off stance on the Supreme Court’s Heller case, which last year affirmed the right of citizens to protect themselves with firearms, infuriated Kevin Baker, the proprietor of “The Smallest Minority blog”, a story he has detailed at length.

“They wanted to derail it because they were scared it would fail,” says Mr. Baker.


I think they also wanted to derail it because it wasn't 'theirs'. The top-down thing isn't working any more
when it comes to gun control. Of course, there are still some here at DU who think
that "all pro-gun posts are sent out by the Elders of The NRA"...
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 06:17 PM
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12. I like the technical articles in the NRA publications...
but I rarely use them as a source for my pro-gun arguments on DU.

Nor do I pay much attention to the NRA-ILA, which is the NRA's propaganda wing. That group is merely out to spout propaganda and get donations. IMO they are often every bit as despicable as the Brady Campaign.

I don't look to the NRA for guidance on gun control issues. I can do my own research and formulate my own views. Sometimes I disagree with them.
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