"Texas Senate OKs guns on college campus"

Actually, it allows guns on all college campusES here in the Lone Star.

But, durn it, we ain't that big on eddycation. 'Course, so long as we're packing a hawg-leg, don't rekun none of them teechers is gunna be saying a daymn thang 'bout it.

Makes me raht proud, durned if it don't.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/moms/6432279.html

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Goddam leftist assholes.

I mean I might have to walk THROUGH the hospital to get to the parking lot and then I could get arrested! It is just the same situation as driving through a national park, goddam it!

And why can't I take one to the stadium? Terrorists are going to target a football game someday and I want to protect myself and my children!

Pinko commies.

How dare they!!!

:sarcasm:

:shrug: After all, "the sixties" were all about hippies, right? :evilgrin:

because of the influence of alcohol.

It's a good thing we never have alcohol on college campuses!

:sarcasm:

... Least-ways that's how it seems.

That's the Texas state law.

:wtf: Sorry.

:sarcasm: Living in the Lone Star, should'a knowed to use the "sarcasm" thingey.

:dunce: Keep think'n most folks can think.

:shrug: Will make sure to put the cartoons in, so as everyone can 'git it'

:rofl:

With all the Texas bashing threads I've seen lately, it is impossible to tell.

I was born in Texas.

I live in Texas.

(pause while I check the latest)

Yes!

In the United States Texas is:

#01 in Executions
#05 in Energy Consumption
#10 in Obesity
#29 in Infant Mortality
#36 in High School Graduation rates
#46 in Voter Turnout
#46 in average math SAT scores (502)
#49 in verbal SAT scores in the nation (493) and on it goes.

So, from that, I suppose you could conclude that I don't have no need to play dumb.

Further, I suppose that you will.

Oh. To make it clear: :nopity:

businesses that derive 51% or more of their income via alcohol. So a bar is definitely out, but applebees is in.

i can get just as drunk off my ass at applebees as at a bar.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/convrates.htm

On edit: applebees (or other businesses can post signs that disallow CHL if they choose.)

In Florida I used to see a lot of signs that looked like this:



I would call the business and inform the manager that he had lost my business. Many other concealed carry permit holders did the same.

The result is that I rarely see such signs.

having just completed the class for re-certification of my CHL, the law says that it is illegal to carry a firearm into any business which derives over 51% of it's income from the sale of alcohol - and that such businesses much sign their facilities to that effect.

There is nothing illegal about carrying a firearm into TGI Friday's, Chili's, Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, or other dining establishments which alcohol is served but the sale of alcohol is not their primary business.

How are CCW permit holders any more vulnerable to alcohol on college campuses than anywhere else?

Since CCW permit holders seem quite responsible elsewhere, I don't see the problem.

And if you thought those frat boys were arrogant before, picture Doug Niedemayer packing heat.

30 years ago in Texas, most women carried a 22 derringer in their purse and most men knew it. Good deterrent and confidence-builder.

Everyone should have the right to own a firearm for self-protection. The Bill of Rights guarantees it and the slow whittling-away
of that right is wrong. Why shouldn't someone be able to protect themselves - EVEN IF they have a felony record? Why should they
have to be at the mercy of those who DO have the right to own a firearm?

Look at all the people who get busted using a firearm but who have no prior felony conviction. NOT having a felony record sure
didn't deter them, now did it?

To protect behavior that endangers the public welfare.

1) it most definitely can (and is) used to protect behavior that endangers the public welfare. letting an obviously guilty defendant off because his confession is inadmissible due to 5th amendment concerns happens all the time. that endangers the public. but we don't sacrifice the constitution to convict bad guys.

2) you have NO evidence that allowing CCW on college campuses endangers the public welfare. WA and Utah for instance allow CCW on college campuses. do you have any evidence the campuses in WA and Utah are more dangerous than states that ban it?

epic fail.

misunderstanding of constitutional law, and ignorance of basic facts.

The right to own a firearm and carry it with you everywhere you go, however, is a completely different issue from that.

It's a not-so-subtle equivocation that many gun folks like to pull.

And note that you don't have to have a CCL in order to carry a firearm with you wherever you go.

different things. Sorry if that upsets you.

Of course no one here is suggesting that everyone be able to carry firearms wherever they want to. Convicted felons have the right to self defense while they forfeited their right to keep and bear arms. I simply made the point that there are specific laws separating the two issues.

David

Which, of course, had to do with carrying guns on college campuses (which, last time I checked, is a place where people go). And what was at issue for me had nothing to do with those who have a felony record owning firearms - I wasn't responding to that aspect of the post by the person that I was responding to.

Where did I do that?

Though, you really weren't. I never mentioned felons or criminals - you brought that up all on your own. Nor does the issue that I raised have anything at all to do with CCLs or felons owning firearms. Your point was a total red herring to the issue that I was raising. My first post in this ST was limited to the equivocation of the RKBA and self-defense, merely noting that the two are not one and the same. Again, sorry if that upsets you.

In case you didn't read the post that you replied to, here's a snippet for you:

"And what was at issue for me had nothing to do with those who have a felony record owning firearms - I wasn't responding to that aspect of the post by the person that I was responding to."

Beyond that, this is getting to be very tedious now. Have fun! :hi:

Felons have the right to self defense but not the right to keep and bear arms. That's how a discussion works. Why would you think that upset me?

David

Since it is your opinion and not a stated fact. The right to self defense & the right to own a gun go hand in hand in today's world, because the best means of self-defense in the modern age is a gun. If we were in the Middle Ages, then the best means of self-defense would be a sword & crossbow. If we were in the stone age, then the best means of self-defense would be a club and a sling. Notice how the best means of self-defense is never your bare hands.

Not-to-mention that the recent Heller victory shows that owning a gun and self-defense are in fact one and the same. So does your opinion upset anyone? No. Because that's all it is; your opinion. If you wish to state with all the feelings of fact that the sky is green, that wouldn't upset me either.

I guess I should be sarcastic and say...All good and intelligent parents should send their children to school in Texas. If you love your child send him to a place where every one has a gun.

If it makes you feel better to use a broad brush smear on us, you should expect to get deleted.

allowing CCW does not mean everybody has a gun.

WA state allows carry on college campuses.

does everybody have a gun on campus?

bbzzzzzt.

try again

carried out in the open instead of hiding them? A right to bear arms isn't what its cracked up to be in this country. It probably would have passed the TX senate, no way they would vote to keep guns away from colleges. Constituents would have kicked them out.

I work in a Level-I trauma center.

It is a RARE day that we do not treat at least one gunshot wound. Wounds that range from a kid accidentally shooting his friend, to those shot "with intent to kill" (with about one or two a week of these dying in the ER or operating room).

There are too many guns, too many idiots, and too many idiots with guns.

And, NO, that is NOT sarcasm.

Just observation.

they would have to be out in the open where everyone can see them. re:Too many guns- "too many idiots, and too many idiots with guns"; yes.

a recipe for disaster.

plenty of alcohol at the UW.

and no law against CCW.

no law in WA state against CCW on college campuses.

so where are all these disasters?

your comment is just as wrong as when HCI et al opined that passing CCW in florida would result in disaster.

they slunk away with their tails between their legs when crime went DOWN.

There are far to many criminals with guns that is certain.

David

But acknowledging that would spoil the fun of bashing guns and Texas.

if I was part of that group, I also would have problems with honesty. Their arguments fail when faced with facts, so they resort to lies, misrepresentation, emotional arguments and insults.

If you can't beat them with your argument, baffle them with bullshit.

or his daughter and son in law standing beside him, might just all have concealed carry permits and be "packing heat".

The bad guy never knows for sure. If he walks into an establishment with evil intent, he might just have a really bad day.

Texas state law is curiously restrictive regarding firearms, given its gun-toting image elsewhere, and when Texas adopted a "shall issue" law regarding CHLs, it also completely outlawed open carry; even having a concealed firearm "print" (having its outline visible under your clothes) is an offense.

were established during Reconstruction. It seems that the Yankee Carpetbaggers were afraid of the reaction to the new laws on land ownership.

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

For the staff, at least.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendermonde_nursery_attack

I believe he was a pioneer in that area (bringing guns to campus).

One of my sisters was on campus - near the tower - that day.

:crazy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman#Sniper_fire_commences




http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,842584-7,00.html

Surely you don't think that is an effective argument against allowing people with permits to carry on campus.

And this bill only applies to concealable handguns. So not really relevant.

concealed carry on a college campus. Some of those 23 have state / college policies that students may not carry, but allows others to. What's different here is that it allows qualified students (21+, 10-15 hours of education on the law and conflict resolution, pretty stringent live fire qualification) to carry.

While it's just an anecdote, all the 21 year olds that I know with a concealed carry license are ex-military or adjunct LEO, so it doesn't worry me.

So you feel safe with ex-soldiers carrying guns around university campuses? I'm glad you trust the U.S. military as much as you do.

Where I grew up, the military was one of only two 'industries' that average kids could turn to- the other, for the boys, at least, was the coal mines.

Oh, it's okay for college campuses, but those pussy Senators don't want people coming into the legislative chamber ready to defend their rights at the point of a gun? I suppose they have some namby-pamby prohibition against guns in courtrooms, too. Fucking judges, all cocky and everything with their "objection overruled" and passing judgment on people against the Bible? Maybe they wouldn't be so high and mighty if they knew they'd have to contend with someone squirting lead? Not so tough now, are ya, "your honor?" Ahahahahahaha!

I was still in college in 2007 (part-time in my thirties), and frankly, my academic performance was to some extent affected by fear of a school shooting. Not that I was all that worried about one of my fellow students losing it, but the college I attended was The Evergreen State College. The one attended by Rachel Corrie, among others. It's long been the target of right-wing vitriol in Washington state, but since Rachel Corrie was killed, the vitriol has oozed out nation-wide, and phrases like "terrorist training camp" have been bandied about. So what I was concerned about more was some frustrated right-wing yahoo coming onto campus and deciding to take out as many left-wing "traitors" as possible. As it happens, I was on the police review board at the time, and I knew the largest number of police officers on campus at any given time was four, but usually fewer, so if the gunman happened to enter the building I was in, I didn't reckon my chances off escaping unscathed as too high. It made me nervous about going to class some days, I'll tell you.

And no, I don't think I was being paranoid. The campus police force just revised their "active shooter" protocols and bought "patrol rifles" (that's what an "assault weapon" is called when a police officer is holding it), so evidently they're taking this threat as seriously as I was. I was just eighteen months ahead of the curve.

it's this outcome one day -- it will be mine another.

assuming the teacher is not better armed

Why not just go back to wild west rules and get it over with? High noon could be entertaining at work during lunch break!

Rape happens alot in college campuses

It only makes sense to decriminalize normal behavior. Most states have strict regulations for allowing concealed carry in public places (> 21 years, extra background check, finger print submission to state LEO, sometimes regulation and/or proficiency testing). Those who seek to do harm with guns on campus already bring them on to campus with little deterrent.

I would carry a concealed firearm on campus if I could do so legally.

This change in law (pending the House vote) only pertains to those holding a state issued CHL (Concealed Handgun License). You must be 21 years of age to get a CHL. So this change is limited to pretty much the staff, faculty, senior year students, and mature students - and 95% of those won't have a CHL.

Have no fear, people will still be able to ILLEGALLY carry on campus as well, just as they do now. It is amazing how the little white posted sign doesn't stop them isn't it?

Besides, a gun in my holster is safer than one in the trunk of a car.

with the way college kids get drunk its insanity to allow guns

Really, college students already have rifles and some handguns. This law simply allows concealed carry on campus after extensive testing and background checks for those who are 21 years or older.

that is why the nutjob who shot people at v tech parents were never notified of his mental state. Adults go to university and are criminally responsible for their actions.

So when they get drunk and rape someone or kill a person in a dwi accident they don't get sent to time out.

Since most college students are over 18, it would their choice whither they freak out over people behaving within the limits of the law.

nt

plus there are these things called loans, scholarships, and grants.

you accept binge drinking in college - as OK? - yea because no one has ever died or done anything stupid while carrying a beer? thats a logical parent thinking - i am no great fan or opponent but if we don't teach our kids boundaries and responsibilities, haven't we failed as parents/mentors/teachers

I think the way young people abuse alcohol on and off campus is dreadful.

"with the way college kids get drunk" you seem to imply that its ok because its an accepted reality - i apologize if i put words in your mouth, when i read the post that is the way it sounded.
college kids are going to get drunk, it is part of the learning of social and societal boundaries and part of learning those boundaries is showing that the sort of behavior is unacceptable when it causes harm to others. i could care less if people carry or have guns i will be the first to say its not a good idea to mix the two but unless someone is infringing on my rights (ie endangering my life or that of another/ theft / other criminal mischief) its really not my business. if some drunk redneck wants to stay at home and shoot up his couch ... fine have at it - however he IS responsible for all the repercussions that go along with it ( ie ANY damages to others property/people etc)

is OK. that's not a univ. administration I would like.

just remember that nearly every other place you go (the street, many businesses and restaurants etc...) are places legal CCW holders are allowed to carry.

Keep in mind you must be 21 to own a handgun and get a CCW.

one would have to deal with a university administration that disagrees with them.....
Isn't university partially about dealing with things with which you don't necessarily agree? I didn't like a lot of things that my university's staff/faculty/students did/said/wore/carried, that didn't lead me to get all pissy and throw in the towel because I disagreed with them.

You're position smacks of reactionary thinking. I would suggest rethinking it.

If you feel you should be that much in control of your adult offspring, your family has some serious issues.

Even when they're in the hands of highly stressed, hard drinking college students who might have issue with their prof's over grades (or grudges over girlfriends/boyfriends).

It makes even better sense to encourage it when one adds into the mix that college is the age onset for many serious mental health conditions.

If a person has a concealed permit, let them use it.

Rock on Lone Star State!

Just let a little brat get in the Cheese Crawl before my little darling.....

I did three weeks ago at my son's birthday party....

Not an issue....

Maybe not for you.....I've got a real problem with it.

You could not even tell I was packing, I was fully compliant with Virginia Law, and the restarant was NOT posted "No Concealed Guns"....

No law was broken, if Chucky Cheese had an issue with it, they would have complied with VA law, and posted a sign, but they did not....

people who 'have a problem with it' are the least likely to ever notice anyone else CCing.

I like what Thomas Jefferson said on this subject...

meanwhile, if you don't have a gun you deserve to die, stupid!!!

No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html

Sounds good to me. The last time I had to appear as a witness, there were five armed police officers in the court and the judge might have been carrying under his robes. I thought to myself, "This has to be the safest place in town."

Fuggedaboudit.

to have us all lose confidence in the rule of law.

The Drug War has been very much part of this, as well --

Down with the GOP's NRA!!!

LOL!!! Truth Hurts...

I think you're a little confused there --

unless you're saying that the GOP is now for gun controls????

Sara Brady's Bio....

http://www.bradycenter.org/about/jimandsarahbio.php





Paul Helmke, REPUBLICAN President of the Brady Campaign..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Helmke#Political_career

Caroline McCarthy, ex Republican....SUPPORTING A REPUBLIC EN



http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2009/05/bloombergs-first-democratic-de.html

Now, The question you must ask yourself, is why would all of these Republicans, and ex Republicans, take stances that are PROVEN to cost Democrats dearly in national elections..

I have stated for years, and still stand by this statement..

The Brady Campaign, and its supporters, are nothing more than a Repuke lead 5th Column, thats ONLY PURPOSE is to bleed Democrat Congressional Seats...THat is ALL it has done since 1994...

On business, I rode right thru Virginia Tech, and Radford Universities Campus..

With my concealed sidearm, and it was completely LEGAL, even if I walked inside.....

The "no guns" rule ONLY APPLIES to Staff, and Students, not to Citizens with CCW permits, whom are NOT staff, or students...

If I was "discovered", the absolute worst they could do, is ask me to leave..and if I refused to leave charge me with misdemeanor tresspassing...

But hey, we can't let the "Campus gun ban go".....

Next they will try to ban Pizza By the Slice...

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0509/625505_video.html...

and your 5 year old!!!

My son, who is about to turn 10 has his own M1 Carbine...

My daughter, who is about to turn 13, has her own M1 Carbine as well..

Yes, these are the very same rifles, many US Solders carried into Combat during WWII

They do not cause problems here, heck, sometimes during nice weather, the neighbor kids, call and ask of they can bring their rifles and shotguns over to the farm, for some rifle, and skeet shooting!

Your welcome to join us if you like! Most of the time, we even have a cook out, I am getting ready to cut up a old Apple Tree out back, and it will make a tremendous fuel for the smoker.

nt

nt

I'd rather see a kid who knows gun safety finding a gun, than a kid who doesn't. Don't you agree?

but I have always had a locked gun safe. No kids around now and he is a new Marine at SOI in Camp Pendleton.

Ensho's just make it illegal for kids to touch guns would never work.

My daughter started shooting at eight or nine years old. I would take her to the Tampa Police Pistol Range on a regular basis. She started off with a .22 bolt action rifle which I had cut the stock off so it was short enough that she could handle it. Eventually I bought a .22 cal S&W revolver that was small enough to fit her hands. Before she shot the weapon, I had her memorize all the names of the external parts and emphasized gun safety and proper handling.

She became an excellent shot. She graduated to shooting a much larger revolver, a S&W Model 25-2 45 acp. Weighing only 90 pounds and shooting a revolver the size of Dirty Harry's .44 mag, she did attract a lot of attention from the other shooters on the range. I have to admit she enjoyed this.

I always closely supervised her, but I was surprised when the range master paged me over the loudspeaker system to come to the office. He requested that I help a lady who wanted to learn to shoot. I mentioned that my daughter was on the firing line. He just laughed and said, "I would have never asked you if I thought she needed supervision."

Well one night when she was eighteen she arrived home. Alone in the house she set the burglar alarm and headed to bed. The alarm went off and she assumed that it was merely the wind shaking the sliding glass door in the kitchen. She walked into the living room and reset the alarm.

The second time that the alarm sounded several minutes later, she realized that it was not all that windy. She reached under her bed and obtained the S&W revolver that she had practiced with so much. This time she entered the kitchen to make sure the sliding glass door was tightly closed.

She encountered a man who was forcing the door open and was half way in. He told her that he planned to rape her not seeing the revolver she had at her side.

When she drew down on him he decided to leave in one big hurry. The sight of a young woman who was five foot two but was confidently pointing an enormous hand gun at him was enough for him to reconsider his intentions. (She didn't shoot him because I always told her to never shoot someone who was outside the house. He was only half way in.)

She called the police. When they arrived she went to our front door and told them that she had a revolver in her hand but couldn't release it. (Adrenaline often has strange side effects.) One officer told her to point the weapon at the floor with her finger off the trigger and open the door. This kind officer had her sit down on the couch and gently pried her fingers off the weapon.

The intruder was never caught and never returned.

I should mention that there was a 60 pound Labrador retriever in the house. She was one of the most gentle dogs I've ever owned and sometimes I suspect that being very intelligent, she realized that my daughter had a firearm and could take care of herself. Realistically, she hated loud noises and the alarm probably caused her to hide.

I don't attribute my daughters ability to handle the situation merely to the firearm training I had given her. She also had many years of training with one of the best judo instructors in the country. However, had she not be confident and proficient with the revolver, the intruder might well have entered and disarmed her with catastrophic results.

She received her training in judo and firearms at an early age. Thanks to my foresight, she now has two wonderful grandchildren for me to love and spoil. Of course, they also have been exposed to firearms and firearm safety and are very proficient with both handguns and rifles.

If children were never legally allowed to handle firearms and I followed the law to the letter, the result of my daughters incident might have been far different.

Yikes!!!

Given the normal age of college students, only some of the senior class will be eligible since most states require CCW holders to be 21. That puts the vast number of eligible people being the faculty and staff and parents.

They don't want a government-nanny to pretend to take care of problems it really can't take care of.

Go ahead and wait for the colleges to run red with blood. Gun violence will go about the same rate as the knife violence, car violence, chainsaw violence, poisonings, and gasoline attacks on campuses.

From another source:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/legislature/stories/DN-collegeguns_20tex.ART.State.Edition1.4999a31.html

" "My concern is not about gun violence, it is about suicide," Van de Putte said, citing the "abundance of emotions" felt by many college students. "With the ability of 17- and 18-year-olds to have access to firearms, my fear is that some would take that weapon and use it on themselves." "

Do some of these people just blatantly CHOOSE to ignore the facts of currently existing requirements to obtain a CCW/CHL?

Golly...

Xela

Texas State Concealed Handgun License Eligibility Requirements

TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS GC §411.172. 3***

ELIGIBILITY

(a) A person is eligible for a license to carry a concealed handgun
if the person:
(1) is a legal resident of this state for the six-month period
preceding the date of application under this subchapter or is otherwise
eligible for a license under Section 411.173(a);
(2) is at least 21 years of age;
(3) has not been convicted of a felony;
(4) is not charged with the commission of a Class A or Class B
misdemeanor or an offense under Section 42.01, Penal Code, or of a
felony under an information or indictment;
(5) is not a fugitive from justice for a felony or a Class A or Class
B misdemeanor;
(6) is not a chemically dependent person;
(7) is not incapable of exercising sound judgment with respect to
the proper use and storage of a handgun;
(8) has not, in the five years preceding the date of application, been
convicted of a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or an offense under
Section 42.01, Penal Code;
(9) is fully qualified under applicable federal and state law to
purchase a handgun;
(10) has not been finally determined to be delinquent in making a
child support payment administered or collected by the attorney
general;
(11) has not been finally determined to be delinquent in the
payment of a tax or other money collected by the comptroller, the tax
collector of a political subdivision of the state, or any agency or subdivision
of the state;
(12) has not been finally determined to be in default on a loan
made under Chapter 57, Education Code;
(13) is not currently restricted under a court protective order or
subject to a restraining order affecting the spousal relationship, other
than a restraining order solely affecting property interests;
(14) has not, in the 10 years preceding the date of application,
been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct violating a
penal law of the grade of felony; and
(15) has not made any material misrepresentation, or failed to
disclose any material fact, in an application submitted pursuant to
Section 411.174 or in a request for application submitted pursuant to
Section 411.175.

(b) For the purposes of this section, an offense under the laws of
this state, another state, or the United States is:
(1) a felony if the offense, at the time of a person's application for
a license to carry a concealed handgun:
(A) is designated by a law of this state as a felony;
(B) contains all the elements of an offense designated by a law
of this state as a felony; or
(C) is punishable by confinement for one year or more in a
penitentiary ; and
(2) a Class A misdemeanor if the offense is not a felony and
confinement in a jail other than a state jail felony facility is affixed as a
possible punishment.

(c) An individual who has been convicted two times within
the10-year period preceding the date on which the person applies for
a license of an offense of the grade of Class B misdemeanor or greater
that involves the use of alcohol or a controlled substance as a statutory
element of the offense is a chemically dependent person for
purposes of this section and is not qualified to receive a license under
this subchapter. This subsection does not preclude the disqualification
of an individual for being a chemically dependent person if other
evidence exists to show that the person is a chemically dependent
person.

(d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(7), a person is incapable of
exercising sound judgment with respect to the proper use and storage
of a handgun if the person:
(1) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician as suffering from
a psychiatric disorder or condition that causes or is likely to cause
substantial impairment in judgment, mood, perception, impulse
control, or intellectual ability;
(2) suffers from a psychiatric disorder or condition described by
Subdivision (1) that:
(A) is in remission but is reasonably likely to redevelop at a
future time; or
(B) requires continuous medical treatment to avoid redevelopment;
(3) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician or declared by a
court to be incompetent to manage the person's own affairs; or
(4) has entered in a criminal proceeding a plea of not guilty by
reason of insanity.

(e) The following constitutes evidence that a person has a psychiatric
disorder or condition described by Subsection (d)(1):
(1) involuntary psychiatric hospitalization in the preceding
five-year period;
(2) psychiatric hospitalization in the preceding two-year period;
(3) inpatient or residential substance abuse treatment in the
preceding five-year period;
(4) diagnosis in the preceding five-year period by a licensed
physician that the person is dependent on alcohol, a controlled
substance, or a similar substance; or
(5) diagnosis at any time by a licensed physician that the person
suffers or has suffered from a psychiatric disorder or condition
consisting of or relating to:
(A) schizophrenia or delusional disorder;
(B) bipolar disorder;
(C) chronic dementia, whether caused by illness, brain defect,
or brain injury;
(D) dissociative identity disorder;
(E) intermittent explosive disorder; or
(F) antisocial personality disorder.

(f) Notwithstanding Subsection (d), a person who has previously
been diagnosed as suffering from a psychiatric disorder or condition
described by Subsection (d) or listed in Subsection (e) is not because
of that disorder or condition incapable of exercising sound judgment
with respect to the proper use and storage of a handgun if the person
provides the department with a certificate from a licensed physician
whose primary practice is in the field of psychiatry stating that the
psychiatric disorder or condition is in remission and is not reasonably
likely to develop at a future time.

I don't have any collected links available but it didn't make the agenda and at this point Gov. Perry would have to extend the session for this to go through. Could happen.

i have yet to see the carnage from evul gunz on college campuses here.

most of the anti-gunners on the UW campus don't even REALIZE concealed carry is legal there.

people have been carrying concealed there for many years. i have yet to hear of ONE incident involving a lawful CCW'er on campus.

Allows concealed carry on all its public universities. Not one incident, misuse or shooting has been reported from the Utah University system.

was of a woman who worked in the administration.

she was prohibited by the UW policy from carrying while she was working there fwiw.

not by the law, though.

her estranged boyfriend, whom she already had a protective order against came on to campus.

due ot the protective order, he was committing a felony by possessing the firearm.

he walked into her office and shot her.

Lawbreakers breaking the law? There should be a law against that!

"criminal activity prohibited"

these people have no sense of irony