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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 06:26 PM
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California Democrat proposes mandatory gun registration ...


April 7, 2010 12:01 AM

A California Democrat is proposing a new law requiring residents to register their shotguns and rifles or go to jail, CBSNews.com has learned.

Assemblyman Mike Feuer, whose district includes Beverly Hill and West Hollywood, this week introduced legislation ordering law enforcement to "permanently keep" records of anyone who buys a gun from a dealer or an individual. California already stores information about handgun purchases.

Feuer is no friend of firearms owners: his previous legislative effort, which Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law, required all new handguns to include "microstamping" technology that can imprint serial numbers on spent ammunition casings. As a Los Angeles city councilman, Feuer proposed limiting city residents to one gun a month.

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The proposal comes as the U.S. Supreme Court is considering a landmark civil rights case, McDonald v. Chicago, which will decide whether Second Amendment rights in the federal constitution trump state anti-gun laws. But California is proposing mandatory registration -- and not a flat ban, as Washington, D.C. once tried and the justices rejected -- and even legal scholars specializing in this area disagree about whether registration is constitutional.

"Even though the constitutionality of such a measure is a close call, it is a horrible public policy choice," says Gene Hoffman, chairman of the CalGuns Foundation. "Just as Canada is about to do away with their long gun registry after squandering $1 billion, California wishes to attack law abiding gun owners for firearms not used in crime."

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At the moment, a minority of states including New York, Maryland, California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts require mandatory registration for handguns. Others, like Pennsylvania, require sales of handguns to go through a dealer, who keeps records of the transaction.

No federal firearm registry exists, though some anti-gun types have pushed for one in the past. An unsuccessful 1995 bill, H.R. 169, would have imposed California-style registration of handguns nationwide through a "federal handgun registration system." Violations would have been punished by up to 12 years in prison. The author of the bill, Rep. Cardiss Collins, D-Illinois, told her colleagues at the time that "I still believe the best way to control handguns is to ban them outright."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504383_162-20001885-504383.html


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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 06:27 PM
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1. Aw fuck that
I don't even own a gun and I know that's BS...
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 06:33 PM
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2. Sounds like bullshit to me
What about the guns I already own?

What about antique firearms?

Would a C & R FFL exempt me from this silly ass requirement?

I'd be concerned if I thought this bullshit proposal had a snowballs chance in hell of passing.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:23 PM
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39. Its not BS. Go read the news. Its right there for all to see !!! Yeah, CA!!!!!!
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:44 PM
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59. Oh I believe he's proposing it. I still think the concept is bullshit
How the fuck are they proposing to make me register the guns I already own?

There's too many things wrong with this to take it seriously.

So fuck him. I ain't getting myself in a snit over some silly shit like this.

And a whole thread full of hissy fits won't change my mind. I've been hearing panicky crap for the past 40 years.

And nothing's changed,

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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #59
82. Really? Willing to take your assault weapon to be checked out for legality? I didn't think so.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #39
124. Did they microstamp your ganja? Mine burned up. Musta been a defect. nt
Edited on Thu Apr-08-10 09:52 AM by SteveM
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 06:39 PM
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3. Good, I certainly hope they do it.
Go Feuer!!!
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 06:51 PM
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7. He'll lose his seat over this, you know that right?
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 07:52 PM
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13. Doubtful that he would lose his seat. Look at his district. N/T
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #13
29. I just saw that, yeah he's safe
As long as he keeps it buddy buddy with all the beautiful people who have their own armed security.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. And more to the point, its you "law-abiding gunowners" who are not safe if you dont
obey this new gun law!!!

Ya gotta luv it!!!!!

Do you gents like prison food, or your guns, better?

heehehehehheh!!!
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:23 PM
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40. You know it isn't a law yet right?
And it won't become one. People whose districts are not heavily packed with people who have armed bodyguards won't back this, and if they do they will lose their seats.

Your attitude is bizarre to me as well.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #40
109. And even if it did, it wouldn't apply outside California
The rest of us can stand back and watch the California Long Gun Registry turn into another measure that wastes money and doesn't actually prevent or help solve a single crime. Or alternatively, the California state government can stop it wasting money by not actually funding the enforcement of the registry, in which case it'll be a dead letter, if it isn't already, just like the Canadian one was.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #34
63. Why do you want to start a shooting war over the Constitution? n/t
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #63
104. What in the world are you talking about? What war?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #3
20. "Go Feuer!!!"??
It's really, really hard not to make an oh so appropriate yet cheap shot about Nazis.
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 07:12 AM
Response to Reply #20
117. I love Feuer.
"Feuer frei!"

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HALO141 Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #20
172. Heil furher!
You mean like that?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #172
175. Sump'in like that, yah ;) n/t
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #3
71. Yeah, Go Feuer! Get those rights!"
:eyes:
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 06:42 PM
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4. This can't be true - Ah ha! it's another NRA trick I bet
<Sarcasm on>

This must be wrong

I have been assured by very "knowledgeable" people on this board that stories like this are all lies put out by the NRA!

<sarcasm off>

Somebody save this for the next idiot that claims the NRA creates all these stories about a Dem wanting to register your guns.

Gee, I wonder if Mr. Feuer will get an NRA endorsement in the next election based on his 2nd amendment position?
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. How does a registry limit your ability to own a firearm?
No where does it say it is going infirnge on the second amandment.
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. What this does is
give the government a list of everyone who owns firearms so it would be easier to collect them if it ever came to that and don't give me that shit that confiscation would never happen, just ask the citizens of New Orleans after Katrina, I don't trust the govt as far as I could throw it
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #9
14. How many guns were confiscated in NO?
Ten, twenty a thousand?
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. doesn't fucking matter
how many were confiscated, what matters is that confiscation took place from law abiding citizens who were just trying to protect their property from looters because the police sure couldn't protect the people
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:37 PM
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51. Lots of the looters WERE gun-owners. Oh yeah, you forgot about that fact. People were shooting at
the police and the national guard, trying to sort things out.
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #51
57. Uhhh not true
so far 2 NO police officers have been convicted of shooting unarmed citizens and planting guns on them. Please try to get your facts correct
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #57
77. And the police and NG were still shot at by civilians. Your point was......?
Edited on Wed Apr-07-10 11:15 PM by cabluedem
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #77
83. My point was that
you are wrong, the CRIMINALS SHOT AT POLICE AND NG NOT THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, and some of the police acted worse than the criminals
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #77
91. "Civilian" is a very encompassing term
Police are civilians, for instance.

Criminals, gang members who take advantage of the impossibility of enforcement to fire at National Guard Soldiers and police officers are not the same as a citizen who is trying to survive until life is restored to normalcy.

Civilian is a very encompassing term.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #91
102. Another play on words? You need a dictionary, not decaf.
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #102
103. How is it a play on words that "civilian"
encompasses both people legally owning firearms for any legal purpose and criminals criminally owning firearms for criminal purposes?

Especially when the only reason I needed to bring it up is that you insinuated, actually it was a little more than an insinuation, that all civilian gun owners are criminal, unless you possibly meant that all criminals with guns are perfectly legitimate gun owners.
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #51
74. Doesnt everybody shoot at helicopters ,
While they're sniffing paint ?
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. The city admitted to 700.
MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer
AP Worldstream
04-19-2006
Dateline: NEW ORLEANS
Police this week began returning guns confiscated after Hurricane Katrina, bowing to pressure from a U.S. gun rights association.

The police department is making the guns available three days a week. At the close of the second day Wednesday, police said only 17 of about 700 weapons had been returned.

Police and soldiers removed guns from houses after the storm flooded the city, and confiscated guns from some evacuees.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P1-122143854.html

There was testimony from at least one NOLA policeman that they kept some of the nicer ones for themselves and tossed some in the river. So settle for the 700 or so the city "found" after saying for months they didn't have any.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #14
25. Better question is how many of you are going to jail if you dont comply with the law?
Ya gotta luv it !!!!

Thanks, Sacramento!!!

Is this a great state or what? :-)
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. Yeah really
great state thats going bankrupt, and cant even pay their bills and businesses are leaving in droves because of the insane tax policies, yeah you can keep kalifornia, I'll stay in a free state like NV that respects my rights and is a hell of a lot cheaper to live in. BTW yoou do realize that KA. gun laws have no bearing on the rest of the country?
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:19 PM
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37. I dont care if its only CA. You come here, the new law will require you to register all your guns.
Keep your gun in NV and out of my state!!!
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #37
53. Everybodies doing that ........Moving to California .
Actually they're not , I'm just fuckin' with ya . They are fleeing in droves .
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #53
64. Thats true
My wife's brother picked up his business and left last year in disgust because of all the taxes that Kalifornia levies, He moved his business to Boulder City, NV where his taxes are about 50% less and much more business friendly and he bought a really nice house overlooking Lake Mead for a really cheap price and now my mother, who lives in Simi Valley is getting ready to leave KA because she just cant afford to live there anymore
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #53
107. So when did the moderators allow the use of the "F" word here on DU?
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:26 AM
Response to Reply #107
111. I've seen it used plenty when not as a pejorative addressed to a specific member of this forum.
Edited on Thu Apr-08-10 01:27 AM by PavePusher
A depressing number of times actually, condsidering the "civility" requests.

Here in the "Gungeon" I see it most often used by the anti-Civil Rights folks. Hmmmm....
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #25
45. Probably won't be a felony level offense
And the great state of California doesn't have the beds to jail people for non-violent minor misdemeanors.

Sorry to shit all over your little glee-fest.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #45
81. Why not? Owning an assault weapon is right now. Ask the 200 + people charged with that crime.
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #81
85. Charged, but you didn't say convicted
big difference
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #85
94. No there isn't. There is every reason to believe that anyone not registering will be charged with a
Felony offence. Your play with words means nothing.
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #94
122. Once again Charged but you didn't say convicted
big difference
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Mother Smuckers Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #94
151. How do you propose they find the non-registers? No-knock searches of every dwelling?
Sounds like 1939 Germany.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #151
185. Its real simple. Don't bring any non-registered gun out on the streets.
The DOJ knows how to collect on non-compliance.
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Mother Smuckers Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #185
194. I must not be smoking enough crack
because I have absolutely no idea what you mean.
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #81
93. 200+ over how many years?
How many were convicted?

Why do you support imprisoning people and relegating them to felon status over a statutory "crime" that doesn't involve harming anyone or destroying any property? Do you just really love police states and the massive prison complex we have in this country? The one that only survives and justifies itself by repeatedly declaring witchhunts on citizens who by all rights are minding their own business?

Like "dopers", as you put it?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:26 AM
Response to Reply #25
113. What jails, exactly?
Last I heard you guys were forced to release thousands of prisoners to relieve overcrowding.

Don't worry, I'm sure KBR would be more than happy to build a few for you. Just close down a few moer schooks, jack up tuition rates a bit more, rob some more from the pension fund... yeah, no problem at all.
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dashrif Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #113
144. na
kris they will just turn the schools in to prisons with armed guards, drug dogs and have zero tolerance contra ban policys on things like lego guns, plastic butter knives and super hard drugs like tylenol and imodium ad :sarcasm:
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #25
118. You're just here to stir up shit, aren't you?
Nobody can actually be this ridiculous.
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #14
33. As many as they could get their hands on
Which is what matters, not the nummbers.

This was the same city whose officers shot up several families and then arrested and charged a survivor whose developmentally disabled brother was a victim with attempted murder of a police officer.

They left people defenseless when there were rampant murders and no way to provide for the safety of residents.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #14
47. How many does it take...
How many does it take before it becomes wrong?
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HALO141 Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #14
173. Every one they could find. n/t
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. There's a history of registration leading to confiscation.
That was the case in California with certain rifles registered after a given date--even though the owners were told it was legal to register their weapons at that point, the state later went back on it's word and seized the rifles for destruction. There have also been bills put forward in California to seize all legally registered .50 BMG rifles in the state.

Furthermore, in many areas it's possible to effectively ban guns by making the registration scheme too difficult. New York City, for instance, theoretically has no ban on firearms, but the only people who are allowed to register by the local police are former cops and the rich and powerful. Washington DC had a "registration" system for handguns, provided that they were registered prior to 1972.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. If you're a prohibited person, it doesn't
Haynes v. United States (1969) produced a ruling that a person who is legally prohibited from possessing a firearm cannot be prosecuted for failing to register it, as such a requirement would infringe on the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.

Which is why registration schemes are about as useful as a chocolate teakettle.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. So it doesn't infringe in any way of owning a firearm?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Similar ruling, different right inside..
Talley v. California

A Los Angeles city ordinance prohibited the distribution of flyers without the writer's name and address (among other things.) Talley was arrested and the case eventually made it's way to the SCOTUS. The court ruled in Talley's favor, saying-

We have recently had occasion to hold in two cases that there are times and circumstances when States may not compel members of groups engaged in the dissemination of ideas to be publicly identified. Bates v. Little Rock, 361 U.S. 516; N. A. A. C. P. v. Alabama, 357 U.S. 449, 462. The reason for those holdings was that identification and fear of reprisal might deter perfectly peaceful discussions of public matters of importance. This broad Los Angeles ordinance is subject to the same infirmity. We hold that it, like the Griffin, Georgia, ordinance, is void on its face.


If the intent- the reason- for the second amendment is to allow the citizens of the United States to be armed, as a counter to federal power (remember, standing armies were loathed at the time of the second amendment's passage), then might registration of firearm owners not serve a similar purpose: (paraphrased) "identification and fear of reprisal might deter perfectly peaceful exercise of the people's right to keep and bear arms"?

Obviously, this hasn't came up in the scope of the second amendment because until Heller, no SCOTUS had ruled it an individual right. And barring unforeseen problems, McDonald will incorporate that right against infringement by the states.

Be interesting if the SCOTUS takes a similar tack as in Talley regarding registration (of guns.)
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. Haynes v. US
Only applies to those who are already prohibited from owning a firearm. Since their possessing a firearm is a crime, they cannot be compelled to register, and thus incriminate themselves. Nor can they be prosecuted for failing to register. So if you are a felon, a wife-beater, a lunatic or mental defective, you have nothing to worry about.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. There is the small matter of the expense and time required ...
to register a firearm.

Obviously if the cost starts low it can increase over time. For a gun collector or a target shooter it could easily become a financial burden. Many regular pistol shooters own 10 or more handguns and also own rifles and shotguns. I own around 20 firearms collected over 40 years of shooting.

I own firearms in different calibers including .22, .38, 38/.357, .44 magnum, and .45 acp. Some are target grade firearms, some are hunting firearms, some are defense weapons and some are just fun to shoot. While I have favorites, I tend to rotate through my collection as I go to the range.

If the cost is raised high enough, it could be used as a method to discriminate against to lower classes. Since gun control has roots in racism, it could easily be used as a method to keep "those people" from owning firearms.

To see an example of a system that seems designed to stop poor people from owning firearms, take a little time and read the requirements for registering firearms in Washington D.C.
http://mpdc.dc.gov/mpdc/lib/mpdc/info/pdf/registering_firearm_dc.pdf

Or just read this report from Christian Davenport, a Washington Post Staff Writer. (Be sure to read the entire article, it's fascinating and very educational.)



It took $833.69, a total of 15 hours 50 minutes, four trips to the Metropolitan Police Department, two background checks, a set of fingerprints, a five-hour class and a 20-question multiple-choice exam.

***snip***

Reluctantly, Mayor Adrian M. Fenty's administration set up a process through which about 550 residents -- now including yours truly -- have acquired a handgun. But as my four trips to the police department attest, D.C. officials haven't made it easy.

Which was exactly their intent. The day the Heller decision was announced, Council Chairman Vincent C. Gray (D) vowed that the city was still "going to have the strictest handgun laws the Constitution allows." Fenty decried the ruling, saying that "more handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/01/AR2009090103836_5.html?sid=ST2009090103944









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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #15
50. Provided you possess the firearm illegally, it doesn't
That is all I said.

But it is what makes registering firearms completely pointless: the very people against whom it's supposed to have effect are constitutionally exempt from it.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #15
62. I guess my time and money mean nothing to you.
And your "registration" means nothing to me.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #62
84. What will you do.when they come for you?
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #84
106. "They" won't; he lives in Arizona
Even if (and that's a big "if") this bill passes into law in California, it won't apply outside California.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #84
110. See posts 63 and 66.
Edited on Thu Apr-08-10 01:22 AM by PavePusher
And answer the question in 66. Or are you living in fear?
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #15
119. Look up "poll tax."
Even if the system was ostensibly "free" to use, it would still be equivalent to a poll tax.

Even if it was ostensibly "free" to use. It would still be a public system and therefor, as a matter of course, paid for by taxes. Money is fungible. Since money is fungible, it is impossible to know where the tax money for the system comes from and it will certainly be at least partially paid for by the gun owners. Since it would be paid for by the gun owners, it is a tax on exercising a civil right and therefore equivalent to a poll tax.

So YES it does infringe on the right to own arms.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #6
143. How does a registry limit your ability to post a blog?
How does a registry limit your ability to worship as you see fit?


How can you fail to understand how capricious and arbitrary restrictions are an infringement?
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 06:44 PM
Response to Original message
5. This article states that Canada spent a billion dollars on registry
An other article stated 2 billion. Which article is full of shit?
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. the actual figure is over $2 billion.
$2 billion was the INITIAL cost when the registry was brought in 20 years ago. I'm not fond of guns, but even I can see the registry is a stupid thing.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #8
26. If it helps anyone live to see another day its worth every cent we pay!!
Damn straight!!!!
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. How are you going to pay for it, eh?
*snort*

Want to bet me your paycheck that this never becomes law?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:28 PM
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #43
49. Thought exercise..
The Canadian long gun registry was supposed to cost $119M to register ~12-15M guns. It ended up costing at least $948M just to register 7M guns.

How much would it cost to register the approximately 38M long guns sold in CA since 1968? (CA DOJ figures.)

Got a couple BILLION dollars laying around, do ya?
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #43
61. Exactly, all your little "ban" on ammo is going to accomplish
is the establishment of a number of extremely profitable shops on the border with California.

They probably won't even bother selling guns, to avoid having to deal with all those pesky 4473s and the bound book that the ATF is so anal about.

If shops having been fighting tooth and nail over shop locations to set up little retail ammo warehouses on the border, it is because they are just waiting for the justice system to crush that law where it stands.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #27
48. We can easily put a tax on new ammo and gun purchase, since you will have to register new guns at
the gun-store or gun-show, with the CA D-O-J, before you leave
with the gun in your hands. You can be taxed when buying all the
new CA-only ammunition you buy too.

Pretty simple, really.

Atta state, CALIFORNIA !!!!!!!!
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #48
65. That wont
work because there will be a whole bunch of ammo stores going up on the KA.-NV border that the KA authorities cant do shit about
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #65
128. He forgot all about those county-line liquor stores. Just another prohi. nt
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #48
183. If you make the tax high enough people will not be able to practice ...
with their firearms.

So if they have a legitimate self defense reason to shoot their firearm, they may miss their target and shoot some innocent bystander.

Good plan.

:sarcasm:
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #26
35. He's talking about Canada's long gun
registry that they are about to dump not the U.S.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #26
36. "If one citizen exercising her/his RKBA helps anyone live to see another day its worth every cent
we pay!!"
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. All you have to do is register ALL your guns and you can keep them.
For now, that is !!! :-)
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #41
58. LOL re "For now, that is !!!" That's what all who support a criminal's right to commit evil
deeds unopposed by armed citizens dream of happening.

That's not going to happen as long as Americans value freedom as codified in the Bill of Rights that begins "THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution."
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #41
66. Since you so clearly imply that confiscation will follow soon...
tell me: Are you going to volunteer on the collecting teams, or hide your moral vacuity behind presumably armed hired thugs?

Hint: I predict that life insurance for your collecting teams will be prohibitively expensive.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #41
130. Ah, you just corrupted and made dishonest your argument...
"For now, that is !!!"

When laws are couched in that manner, courts take notice; they don't like subterfuge, a favorite tactic of Jim Crow.
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #26
54. Has it prevented a single murder in Canada?
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #54
69. It's prevented countless murders
You could say that and not be lying , right ?
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. "countless", funny
Is there any data on its impact on crime, I haven't seen any so I am assuming it failed so miserably at its intended purpose the original backers can't even use misrepresented data to try to gain support for it.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #26
75. Firearms are often used for self defense ...
and save lives even when no shots are fired.

Any attempt to register firearms would make them more difficult and expensive for the honest people but have little effect on criminals. Criminals have this tendency to misuse firearms and rape, rob, pillage and murder.

While the number of firearms has dramatically increased over the years and is now estimated at 300 million, the violent crime rate has been declining.


source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

A report on this strange and rather illogical phenomena just hit the news in Florida, a state that has no gun registration and "shall issue" concealed carry. Currently 709,591 citizens have concealed carry permits issued by Florida.


Florida crime rates recede by 6.4 percent in 2009
The Associated Press

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Despite a slumping economy and more than 1.1 million residents out of work, crime is decreasing in Florida.

Gov. Charlie Crist and state law enforcement authorities reported Wednesday that crime declined 6.4 percent in 2009 and that violent crime was down 10 percent compared to 2008.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/07/1568024/florida-crime-rates-recede-by.html#ixzz0kTYU75FT


I won't go so far as to say that more guns equals less crime, but it is obvious that more guns DOES NOT equal more crime. Many factors are at play for the dropping crime rate. Even the experts are puzzled.

Interestingly, Canada which has restrictive gun laws and firearm registration has an increasing violent crime rate. (While still lower than the United States.)


Note: source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada

It's my opinion that gun registration is money wasted that could be used for far better purposes that would actually reduce crime. Gun registration is just another "feel good" law that can and probably will be misused to stop "those people" from owning firearms. Criminals will be immune as they will not other to register their weapons.

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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #26
127. Man, you like to waste money to serve your prohibitionism. P-yew! nt
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Llewlladdwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #26
148. So you're willing to spend in excess of $2,000,00,000 to save a SINGLE life.
And to hell with all the THOUSANDS of lives that that money could save.

It'd be interesting hearing you explain to all those folks why their lives aren't worth $2,000,000,000.
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #148
162. It's simple really
Because the tens of thousands of lives that could be saved in developing nations or even people here in the US, like my 22 year old friend who came down with leukemia, have nothing to do with TEH GUNZ!!!

To people like her it would be better to spend billions of dollars a year (we have a lot of guns in this country, and a poor track record for government efficiency) harrassing perfectly legitimate private citizens over one of their constitutional rights than to spend that money where it would actually have a real-world positive impact, like cancer research, scholarships and grants, or the bolstering of our hospitals so they can afford to take on more badly ill patients at free or reduced rates.

The problem, the goal, has nothing to do with murder or safety, she and her brethren just really hate guns and like to demonize people whenever possible.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #26
150. Has it? Canadians pretty much regard it as an expensive, annoying, failure.
Can you point out just one canadian that was saved from an untimely death by the incomplete gun registry?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #26
178. More people would be saved at far lower cost by giving free swimming lessons to poor kids
I suspect that would save more than zero lives, which is about what long gun registration would save.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. They spent almost 2 billion *Canadian* dollars
How that translates into US currency depends on what the exchange rate is at any given moment. I imagine US$1bn is just erring on the side of caution.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. Today US and Canadian dollar are close to parity. n/t
Edited on Wed Apr-07-10 08:09 PM by jody
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 06:32 AM
Response to Reply #16
116. Sure, but the Canadian long gun registry goes back at least 15 years
As I said earlier, the cited estimate of US$1 bn is probably a case of playing it safe. If, according to some estimates, the Canadian government has blown ~CDN$2 bn on the registry, it's a safe bet they've spent at least the equivalent of US$1 bn. Either way, it's a lot of money for something that didn't achieve anything useful.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #5
17. What's a billion among friends (or governments..)
The most definitive article I've read said $948M, as of 2003, iirc
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #5
44. Hard to pin down.
It seems like Ottowa has been trying to obscure the true costs and the fiasco has gone on so long even members of the Liberal party which championed the registry have given up on it. Initially, it was estimated registry would be implemented for $85 million in 1995.

The costs escalated to $200 million a year for the first 10 years with a current annual expenditure of 100 million a year. (That would equate to 2 billion bucks from 1995 to 2005)

Notably, Canada spends 30 million a year on cancer research.

http://www.lufa.ca/quickfacts.asp

Compliance has been somewhat problematic, so much so that there have been several amnesties in the past to encourage compliance. The Canadian federal government has once again extended its amnesty for some owners of non-restricted rifles and shotguns. The amnesty is now effective until May 16, 2011.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/index-eng.htm
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:00 PM
Response to Original message
24. Thank you, Sacramento !!! Time to toughen up the AW ban laws too!!
So what were you gunners saying about AW's being legal here again! :-)

Is this new gun law tough enough for you, bunky-boyies?

Happy, happy, joy, joy !!!!!

Way to go, California !!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. Are you dense or just intentionally obtuse?
Nothing in Herr Feuer's proposed legislation would outlaw any gun.

Try reading the article next time.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. If you dont register we dont need to outlaw your guns, YOU are the outlaw now!!
Edited on Wed Apr-07-10 09:15 PM by cabluedem
Yes, I like it !!!!!!

Mandatory checks at all gun shows and shooting ranges will round you lawbreakers up fast.

Way to go CALIFORNIA!!!!!!
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. And If I register my perfectly LEGAL off-list rifle?
Ooh, a shiny new rifle, perfectly legal.

*headdesk*

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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #31
38. The fact is that many gun owners wont register and will be found to be the criminals they are.
I dont care about your one little toy, when the whole state is at risk.

YES!!!!!! Go CALIFORNIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. Go decaf, really.
How exactly will a person be found to be NOT in compliance?

House to house searches?

(That's one reason why the Canadians are considering scrapping their registry. Estimates are that only 50% of the long guns are on the list.)
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. Its simple. Anytime you bring an unregistered gun out anywhere, you will be at risk of prison-time.
So make like a doper and keep your stash of weapons AT HOME, PERIOD.

Yes, this is gonna be a good thing !!!!!!!

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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #46
55. So you're going to have cops at every gun store and firing range now? LOL!!
This just gets better and better.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #46
60. Interesting choice of language.
"So make like a doper"



And here I thought the progressive position was that the WOD is a failure.


One generally does not see those holding such a position, referring to MJ smokers as "dopers". Interesting that, and perhaps telling, too.



Of course...the "registration" scheme will never pass into law, so enjoy your dreams while they last.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:21 PM
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #60
132. You know what our boy from 'California, Uberalles" is by now...
a crotch-sniffing prohibitionist AND a punk-troll. (Don't you know? It's the latest!)
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #60
177. The under-bridge dwellers usually do overplay their hands at some point....
Until now, they have been indistinguishable from the the other "gun control proponents", like the one that thinks Stanley
Kubrick helped fake the Moon landings and early modern humans were vegan.

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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #46
76. How are you going to fund all the prisons with California's economic situation...
perhaps you would let the violent criminals out in order to house all the previously honest gun owners who refused to register their firearms.

Of course, these violent criminals would obtain unregistered firearms and rape, rob, murder and pillage.

Maybe if California continues down the path to registering firearms and making life generally difficult for honest gun owners, the bad guys will sense an opportunity and move from Florida with its pro-gun such as "shall issue" concealed carry, castle doctrine and "stand you ground" laws and journey to California where they can pursue their chosen occupation with far more safety.



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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #46
141. That's nothing but a Fascist wet dream, cabluedem. I've been out shooting hundreds of times...
...And not once has anyone checked the registration of my handguns or registered "AWs".
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #141
159. I was shooting and someone asked to see my "permit"
Granted, I was shooting a MAC 11/9 with some silencers...
I told them "there is no such thing as a machine gun 'permit'".
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #159
166. I take it the person was a Self-Appointed Range Nazi
I've frequently found myself in the presence of law enforcement people at ranges, and they've always been cool.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #166
169. Yup.
One range owner insists on seeing the paperwork EVERYTIME I go to the range.
Maybe he thinks even though the paperwork was in order the last 2 years... this time he'll get me!!
LOL.

The best are outdoor ranges with "No Full Auto signs" and the Range Officer sitting in some shack 50yds away. Screw in the silencer... shoot full auto until my finger falls off. What I've been REALLY wanting to do is shoot clays/trap with a machinegun.
No where will let me and I can't think of any good places with sufficient backstop. The problem is bullets go ALOT further than birdshot.

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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #46
153. Right, post cops at every range ...
take them off the streets where the crime happens and have them arrest previously honest citizens who refuse to register firearms.

If I were a criminal, I would support your plan.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #38
56. So, now you equate legal firearms owners to criminals.
Edited on Wed Apr-07-10 09:43 PM by PavePusher
Is there no end to your slander?

Aren't there rules about that on this forum?

Edit: Oh yes, there are. http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html Please study #3 & #4.
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #56
68. It looks like they wrote number four while reading a list of her posts N/T
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #38
72. Too bad you're not interested in actual criminals.
You're only interested in punishing law-abiding people.

Sad.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #72
78. If I were a criminal, I would love gun control laws ...
the more the better! It would make my chosen occupation much safer.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #72
86. What's sad is all the victims of gun crimes. That's when people who own guns kill someone else.
Lots of law abiding citizens are in prison for murder and other fowl crimes.
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. Uhhhhhhhh
there in prison for bird crimes?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #86
89. Wow.
"Lots of law abiding citizens are in prison for murder and other fowl crimes."

Actually people who commit murder or other crimes aren't law-abiding citizens. Do I need to go slower?
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. I guess I need to spell it out. They WERE law abiding citizens, who OWNED guns. Better?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #90
92. And cars, credit cards, homes, sharp sticks or pots and pans.
You're not making any points.

Owning guns didn't turn them into criminals. Firearms don't have power over their owners or users. (A scary concept I know. But trust me, people are responsible for their own actions. Think about it.)
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #92
96. Firearms are not used in war to kill people? That's why the army uses pots and pans, right?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #96
100. Deflection fail.
The guns don't fire themselves.

You need to accept that people are responsible for their own actions.
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #90
98. Since you also believe that career criminals
who see nothing wrong with firing at National Guard Soldiers and helicopters, as well as police officers, or murdering grocers who have nothing left to give them are the same as every other gun owning citizen, I'm going to go ahead and say that your opinions on the matter need to be taken with a bushel of salt and enough tequila to make it palatable.


Your opinions that is.
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #86
95. Do you even read what you type?


Lots of law abiding citizens are in prison for murder and other fowl crimes.




How can you even write that sentence with a straight face?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:52 AM
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #97
99. I wasn't talking about your bird crimes term
I actually thought that was pretty funny.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #97
101. Hahaha!
:rofl:

That is so sad!
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 06:26 AM
Response to Reply #97
115. I guess that makes you the cat
Specifically, the kind of cat who obviously fucks up and then puts on an air "I meant to do that." Only even less convincing in your case.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #86
133. "other fowl crimes"? What were you doing to those chickens? nt
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 06:23 AM
Response to Reply #38
114. Some terms you should acquaint yourself with: "malum in se" and "malum prohibitum"
Malum in se means "an ill in itself"; malum prohibitum means "an ill (because it is) prohibited." The Washington State Supreme Court, in one ruling, described the difference thus:
The distinction between malum in se and malum prohibitum offenses is best characterized as follows: a malum in se offense is "naturally evil as adjudged by the sense of a civilized community," whereas a malum prohibitum offense is wrong only because a statute makes it so.

Mala in se are actions that directly inflict material and/or physical harm on an unwilling victim. Mala prohibita run the gamut from driving under the influence (which, even though it does not directly harm anyone, creates an unacceptably high risk of harm occurring) through drug possession to jaywalking.

When we talk about "criminals" as opposed to "law-abiding citizens," the distinction is between people who commit mala in se and people who do not. In my book, someone who likes to indulge in a little marijuana once in a while is not a criminal, even though possession (of 40 grams or less) is a misdemeanor in this state. I don't consider prostitutes to be criminals, even though prostitution is a misdemeanor in this state. I don't consider persons under 21 who consume alcohol (without their parent or guardian's knowledge or permission) to be criminals, even though that is a gross misdemeanor in this state. Hell, I don't consider drug dealers to be criminals per se, unless and until they threaten or inflict violence on competitors, "snitches," or anyone else who interferes with their illicit enterprise.

Accordingly, I would not consider anyone who refused to cooperate with a firearm registration scheme as being a "criminal." Especially since, under the SCOTUS' ruling in Haynes v. United States, people in illegal possession of a firearm (e.g. because they've been convicted of a felony) are in effect exempt from registration because requiring them to register illegally possessed firearm would violate their right against self-incrimination.

But from your wording, it seems you've already formed the idea that every gun owner is ipso facto a criminal, even though they have no yet failed to comply with a registration scheme that does not yet exist. What malum in se do you think gun owners have, to a (wo)man, committed?
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 07:38 AM
Response to Reply #114
120. the short answer?
She's just a hateful harridan with a contemptible view of those who disagree with her. Just another shrew who thinks if she is shrill enough she will get her way, facts, reality, or sanity be damned.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #30
52. Ah yes, let's manufacture a new class of criminals out of whole cloth.
I thought your state didn't have the funds to keep it's current crop of criminals incarcerated.

If you are not a fool, you are trying desperately to appear as one.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #52
79. I have this theory that living in California with all the earthquakes...
makes some residents slightly batty.

I live in Florida with hurricanes. You can prepare in advance for a hurricane, it makes Floridians more self reliant.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #79
108. Well, you can make some preps for earthquakes too...
Edited on Thu Apr-08-10 01:17 AM by PavePusher
but all too many people chose not to. (Hurricanes to.) When I lived in the Panhandle (Hurlburt Field AFB, Fort Walton) I was in the barracks and had water, MRE's, and other basic survival gear in my closet. Of course that pile of stuff also doubled as my deployment gear and was used/refreshed at least twice a year there...
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #79
152. After cali earthquakes, I always check the news at work.
My buddies get a kick out of my disappointment for California not having dropped into the ocean... they think I'm joking for fun. I'm not. I really wish that fucking waste of a state would fall into the ocean. Hollywood is overrated and nobody needs that kind of coffee shop density.

I would settle for a detached "Escape From LA" style natural disaster as well. I could also accept only SoCal being disappeared.
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #152
158. I wish it would
also, that way I would have beachfront property if I survived the tidal wave
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #158
161. Unfortunately, the tectonic plates are not moving such that KA would sink.
I can try that hopey changy thing though...
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #24
67. Who ARE you?
Chris friggen Matthews?

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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #67
123. The victim of a crime by a "law abiding gun owner", that's who.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #123
125. How do you plan
to protect people from assailants who are NOT armed with a gun?
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #123
129. So that makes
all law abiding gun owners criminals? BTW if someone commits a crime with a gun, that makes them a criminal, not a law abiding gun owner, I'm sorry that you had a gun crime committed against you but don't label all gun owners as criminals, I've owned guns almost my whole life and I have never yet committed a crime and I doubt very seriously that I ever will, I also have a CHL from the state of NV so they must think that I wont commit a crime either,
Respectfully, How do you live with this hatred of gun owners with out burning up inside?
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #123
134. That does not make sense.
It's illogical to say you were the victim of the illegal actions of law abiding people.
By definition, people who commit crimes are not law abiding.

Perhaps it's rights or due process you have a root issue with.
Your efforts may be more effective if narrowly focused on those issues.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #123
136. I had some stuff stolen by a black man when I was a college student
I started down a path of hating all black people because of it, just for a little while.

Then one day I realized it was neither reasonable nor rational to hold all black people accountable for the misdeeds of one of them.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #123
174. What was this crime?
I hope you reported it and the perpetrator went to jail.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #67
176. Sorry, forgot to add the link to Thrill-boy's anti-Civil Rights tirade...
Edited on Thu Apr-08-10 03:23 PM by PavePusher
http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/01/2008-01-25MSNBCHB.wmv

Yeah, yeah, sources, I know the speil...

The link goes directly to the video, does not open the Newsbusters site. It was just the first one I could find.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 10:07 PM
Response to Original message
70. It will never pass.
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Naked_Ape Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #70
87. +1
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:09 AM
Response to Original message
105. Now a thread in General Discussion as well, here's the link
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:17 AM
Response to Original message
112. My guess is that this isn't going anywhere.
But talk about a crock. The state is bankrupt, and this assclown wants to institute a feel-good law that will have ZERO impact on crime?

And we wonder why the ship is sinking.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:29 AM
Response to Original message
121. Also require them to wear bright safety orange.
Head to toe. Day and night. Armed or not.

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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #121
135. Oh, damn! I'll have to sell my hot-pink gear.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #121
139. Hmmm, forcing people you despise and consider "other" to wear identifying clothing.
Not exactly the most progressive of concepts.

I think this thread is yet another example of how the gun-control lobby marginalized itself into irrelevance.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #139
146. I'm the gun-control lobby?
Where's my check?

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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #146
149. Well
I'd tell you to get it from the VPC or the Brady Bunch but they're broke financially as well as morally
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #139
167. BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(the sound of the hammer hitting the nail squarely on the head)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #121
145. How about mandatory tattoos while you're at it, onehandle?
How does that grab you?

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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #145
147. No. That would be going too far.
Caesar only seeks to humiliate, not annihilate.

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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #147
155. Are you comparing yourself to Caesar?
Not surprising at all.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #155
157. Beware the ides of March.
Make that April 19th, apparently.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #157
160. Deleted message
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #121
154. Reminds me of the yellow badge, Hilter required Jews to wear...


Gun control has racist roots.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #154
156. Tell it like it is, Rosa Parks!
I covered that upstream.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:14 AM
Response to Original message
131. Stupid fucktard
He needs to be retired early.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #131
137. One man's fucktard is another man's liberal. nt
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #137
138. False dilemma - A liberal can be a fucktard and vice-versa
I hate stupid liberal fucktards as much as I hate stupid conservative fucktards.

The worst of all are stupid authoritarian fucktards, be they on the left or the right (and all authoritarians are on one end or the other).
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tburnsten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #138
164. Here here! Authoritarians are the worst of all! N/T
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #131
163. And they actually let fucktards who threaten violence have guns?
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #163
165. Who made a threat?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #163
168. What are you blathering about now, cabluedem?
Who made threats?
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #163
180. I'd like to thank you for your help, but you're *reaallly* overplaying it
BTW, does your home feature a cantilever or suspension roof?
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:02 AM
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140. What are the chances this thing is actually going to pass
?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #140
142. Slim to none
And Slim just took the last stagecoach out of town.
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #142
170. LOL
:rofl:
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #142
171. with California who can tell?
They got a 50 BMG ban, and they got microstamping, and handgun "safety" testing all courtesy of this bozo. The very public anti-gun celebrities who have the big bankrolls in his district hire their killing done. They are the same folks that want you on public transport so you won't be in the way of their limousine.
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #142
179. it has a hearing date set for 4/13/10
and i'm pretty sure it has the votes to pass out of the comittee
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #179
181. OMFG! When it was introduced on 2/10, it was about increased fines for vandalism
And nothing about firearms.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_1801-1850/ab_1810_bill_20100210_introduced.html

Here it is as currently amended.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_1801-1850/ab_1810_bill_20100405_amended_asm_v98.html

Current status - Looks like I have a few days to kick out some letters:

CURRENT BILL STATUS


MEASURE : A.B. No. 1810
AUTHOR(S) : Feuer.
TOPIC : Firearms.
HOUSE LOCATION : ASM
+LAST AMENDED DATE : 04/05/2010


TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Non-Urgency
Non-Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy

LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 04/06/2010
LAST HIST. ACTION : In committee: Set, second hearing. Hearing canceled at
the request of author.
COMM. LOCATION : ASM PUBLIC SAFETY
HEARING DATE : 04/13/2010

TITLE : An act to amend Section 21628.2 of the Business and
Professions Code, and to amend Sections 11106, 12001,
12021.3, 12071, 12072, 12073, 12076, 12077, 12077.5,
12078, and 12082 of the Penal Code, relating to firearms.



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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #181
182. thats a weird status update
it says the last action that was taken was a canceled hearing, but below it says the hearing is still set for 4/13/10
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #181
184. Burn, baby, burn! Once its out of committee it's as good as law!
And Arnold will sign it too.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #184
187. The Supreme Court may have something to say about that...
I'm guessing Heller and McDonald don't exist in your dojo, amirite?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #184
191. The legislature will run like hell from it once the analyst figures out the cost
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 10:37 AM by slackmaster
If they have any sense left at all. And there is no way Arnold would sign something that would bust the budget even worse than it's already busted.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #181
189. "Bait and switch"
When a used car dealer does it, it is a crime. When a California legislator does it is "business as usual". Small wonder they are broke! The only 'good' thing about California gun laws is that all the antiques that were never tested under the California crapola are cheaper to buy for out of state collectors.

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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #142
186. You will rue the day you posted this dreck. It has a good chance of passing.
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #186
188. i think the hearing has just been canceled
You may want to temper your excitement. This is no garuntee. Unlike AB962 this bill would be much more costly and the logistics of registering every gun in the state of california will be close to impossible (CA is more populous then canada).

There are many issues with such legislation. How do you get the word out to gun owners that their long guns have to be registered? How will it be paid for?

I know you like running around this forum like a kid pissing pro-gun people but for once try to answer those questions because they are crucial if you want the bill to succeed
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #186
190. It's kind of pathetic how you don't realize that you've lost the war
:rofl:
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #186
192. Why would I rue the day
It doesn't affect me one bit and I do believe the hearing has been cancelled but try to temper your hatred of gun owners because all that hatred will burn you out, I know from personal experience,
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #186
193. California has tried to register "assault weapons" ...
How well did that work?


Few Takers for Assault Gun Grace Period
Firearms: With hundreds of thousands in defiance of state law, only 486 have responded to second chance to register the weapons.
February 17, 1992|CARL INGRAM, TIMES STAFF WRITER

SACRAMENTO — At the halfway point in an unprecedented effort to give thousands of owners of military-style assault guns a second chance to avoid criminal risk by registering their weapons with the state, fewer than 500 have complied.

The state Department of Justice reported that by the close of business Friday, 486 owners had registered 810 of the restricted firearms since Jan. 1, the start of the special 90-day amnesty from the state law that makes possession of unregistered semiautomatic assault weapons a crime.
http://articles.latimes.com/1992-02-17/news/mn-1716_1_grace-period


500 owners out of how many thousands bothered to register their firearms in a second chance and a time (1992) when gun control was far more popular than it is today.

And for some reason, you believe that it would succeed today.

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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #193
195. "Military-style assault guns"?
Edited on Fri Apr-09-10 08:37 PM by benEzra
Few Takers for Assault Gun Grace Period
Firearms: With hundreds of thousands in defiance of state law, only 486 have responded to second chance to register the weapons.

February 17, 1992|CARL INGRAM, TIMES STAFF WRITER

SACRAMENTO — At the halfway point in an unprecedented effort to give thousands of owners of military-style assault guns a second chance to avoid criminal risk by registering their weapons with the state, fewer than 500 have complied.

Hmmm, maybe the LA Times should buy a dictionary. To quote the noted philosopher and linguist Inigo Montoya, "I don't think that means what you think it means."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_gun

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