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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:11 PM Original message |
California Democrat proposes mandatory gun registration |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Finally somebody is willing to standup for gun control.. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Hopefully they can tax gun-owners when they buy new guns and ammo, for this new gun legislation. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
36. Go nationwide |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
95. The proposed legislation would do nothing to crack down on gun violence |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
130. Really? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
138. We already pay an 11% federal excise tax on top of sales tax. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #138 |
214. taxes can and always will be increased. you want to play you have to pay. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #214 |
226. Oh, I see, you're trolling. |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
149. How are you going to get the criminals to register their guns NT |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. They can't be forced to- Haynes v US |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:30 AM Response to Reply #154 |
208. If you fail to register, you would become a criminal, though. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #208 |
235. Doesn't work like that at all. Many gun owners have failed to register thier assault weapons in CA.. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #154 |
221. Exactly the ONLY people who can't be convicted under this law would be criminals. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:03 PM Response to Reply #221 |
236. More utter nonsense! |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #236 |
242. Try actually READING some of the responses for a change! |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #236 |
248. But you've stated many times |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
232. Why not tax the supposed beneficiaries? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. And against Rights. |
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whats_a_zip (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
90. An archaic right |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. No one needs a gun. |
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whats_a_zip (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. When there are 6 billion people in the world |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #93 |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #124 |
128. I don't believe I was talking to you |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #128 |
186. You shouldn't talk to yourself. What would people think? |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #93 |
148. Oh I get |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #93 |
160. Well, I NEED to stay alive to care of an elderly mother and (possibly) |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:33 AM Response to Reply #93 |
210. I'm going to need proof. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #93 |
222. Then revise it. There is a provision to amend the constitution. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #93 |
241. Closer to 6.5 Billion. ZPG died an inglorious death back in the 70's.... |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #241 |
243. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight |
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whats_a_zip (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #115 |
123. Troll? |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #123 |
129. this is not |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #129 |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #133 |
135. No you are dead wrong |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #135 |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #129 |
250. Clue: Just because * let the NRA rule the oval office for eight years doesn't mean gun owners are... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #90 |
150. No one needs a gun? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
173. There is a mechanism to make changes to it. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #90 |
198. Are you sure you want to draw that parallel? |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:31 AM Response to Reply #90 |
209. Only need to register a car if it is only the public roads. |
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Mike K (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. What constructive purpose do you expect - |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
57. Taxing Civil Rights. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:30 AM Response to Reply #57 |
252. Funny you should mention that.... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:07 AM Response to Reply #252 |
258. You are correct in that we should not have to pay a fee... |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
70. What other |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. Elitist from West H'wood and B. HIlls doesn't want us little people to have guns |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
43. As can his many of his constituents |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #43 |
253. You think progressives are going to vote for a Rethug over a simple gun law? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #253 |
274. Yes I do. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. Political suicide. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. No its not. People are sick and tired of waking up to gunfire and bloody streets. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. What other rights will you give up for "safety"? |
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pocoloco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. A million civilians dead in Iraq not enough? |
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Mike K (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Where do you live?? |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. California. I don't own a gun but if I did I would obey the new laws. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Of course you would, because you are a law-abiding citizen. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #33 |
52. Lots of criminals are in prison for breach of gun laws. And your point here was..? |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #52 |
113. My point. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
141. You just made his point |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. But violent crime and firearm accidents continue to trend downwards. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:38 AM Response to Reply #18 |
263. Where did you get these "facts"? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #263 |
270. Try the FBI's UCR, DOJ's BJS, & Insurance Safety Institute |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #270 |
271. Why bother? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #271 |
272. For the lurkers who might otherwise believe her codswallop. :) n/t |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #272 |
273. Codswallop |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
96. Registering rifles and shotguns would do NOTHING to stop the nocturnal gunfire and bloody streets |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #96 |
238. Care to qualify that statement at all? I didn't think so. |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
152. Oddly enough |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
178. There's nocturnal gunfire and bloody streets in Beverly Hills and West Hollywood? |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #178 |
256. Go down to the police department and ask the professionals there. You don't live in LA, do you? |
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youngharry (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
37. Political Suicide? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:26 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Yeah, once to plan the trip to the range |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
142. Yes |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #142 |
159. Nope. The assembly members seat is quite safe from takeover. Sorry you lose. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. That particular one |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #162 |
166. Oh yeah |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #166 |
254. Oh no.... |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:53 AM Response to Reply #162 |
255. Yes, lets do that. Life has risks. both good and bad..... |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #159 |
164. Nope |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
54. I hope so, but maybe not in that district...clearly in places like Kern County it would be |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
6. probably will be able to require those bought IN California - not sure of outside the state |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
50. For recreational shooting, hunting, self defense, competitive shooting, |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. it's a |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:22 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. You must have pipes like the Aquaduct |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
7. good ! It's a good start but doesn't go far enough. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. The national guard is a well regulated militia. |
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Mike K (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. The National Guard is not a militia. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Actually, it is. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. But not the sort of militia the founders intended. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. On militias. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:21 AM Response to Reply #20 |
45. The People back then didn't include all the Black slaves the whites owned, did it? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
59. Yeah, uh, we fixed that, you must have missed the memo. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #59 |
78. A Blacks paid a high price for 400 years, 75 after the war and 100 years of Jim Crow laws. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #78 |
98. Some of the first Jim Crow laws were to restrict gun ownership by black people |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
168. But you are using the exact same tactics as the Jim Crow supporters did |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:38 AM Response to Reply #78 |
211. And, now, you support disarming them, just like those very laws. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #45 |
97. Red Herring |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #45 |
104. No it did not. What is your point? |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
153. Doesn't matter |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
34. Ahhhhhhhhh yes |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Why does every post that starts with "Ahhh" include the word "canard"? |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:23 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. This poster is a denizen of the gun owners forum here on DU, that's why. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
85. Maybe you shouldn't worry |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Ahhhhhhhhh yes |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #89 |
119. Once again |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #119 |
163. So can I. Miller 1939 put the militia clause to rest since its the.national guard now. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #163 |
167. I have the hardest time understanding what you write sometimes |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. Why is it that |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #171 |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #185 |
224. No member can "pull posts" or have them moved - talk to the mods |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #167 |
184. Unless you are a current member, no. besides the NG issues weapons so no need to buy guns. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #163 |
169. I never said it |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #163 |
170. BTW |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #163 |
202. I'm don't think you ever read Miller or you wouldn't have written that. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #202 |
225. Why read |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #163 |
231. Miller ruled on the specific weapon, not on the person possessing it |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
58. And you should have to demonstrate an overwhelming "need"... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
107. That's a recipe for racism ... |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #107 |
117. Nothing is racist about a gun registration law. It will effect whites more since they comprise half |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #117 |
120. It's called Disparate Effect |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #117 |
144. I was replying to a poster who said you should have a need to own a firearm ... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #144 |
165. Deleted message |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #117 |
174. My, my. |
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Lord Magus (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #107 |
192. That's how the earliest anti-gun laws started. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
143. That same old tired |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
146. And oh BTW |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. Seems there is one group that supports potential victims being armed and another group supporting |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
10. Blah blah blah - it'll never pass |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
147. That's what they said about the handgun ammo law that just passed. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #147 |
151. I'm sure that |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #151 |
180. Unless, of course, they plan on installing checkpoints on every road that leads into CA |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:02 AM Response to Reply #180 |
207. I predict that would raise the price of life insurance for the unfortunate police officers... |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:12 AM Response to Reply #207 |
259. Wow, you sure know how to scare the police. What was that about being" law abiding "again? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:39 AM Response to Reply #259 |
264. Again, I am predicting, not threatening. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
11. He won't be an assemblyman for long. |
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4lbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. You obviously don't know his district. |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
15. No right is without limits. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Exactly. If the gun owners had their way hand grenades would be legal to possess. Nonsense. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Hand grenades ARE legal to possess. |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Why would anyone need to possess a hand grenade? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:26 AM Response to Reply #42 |
64. It's not about need, they have no purpose |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #42 |
87. That need canard again |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
109. I have no idea. |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
155. Hand grenades |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #24 |
99. Straw Man |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
139. You should probably learn about existing laws, before you start stumping for new ones. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Yes, rights do have limits. |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:48 AM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Ah the old, we need guns to resist government canard.... |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. One of the gun owners on the gun forum has threatened a war over this already. Kooky, but true. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:26 AM Response to Reply #47 |
63. I did not threaten. I predicted. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #63 |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #71 |
81. Assault weapons |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:50 AM Response to Reply #81 |
267. CA never votes in lockstep due to federal laws. In fact the ban on AW's occurred in 2000. |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. We did not ban "assault weapons" for 10 years - research is your friend |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #71 |
118. In fact the "ban" of assault weapons caused their sales to increase ... |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #63 |
212. cabluedem does NOTHING but provoke. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
62. Refute the facts, if you can. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #41 |
80. Ahhhhhhhh |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #80 |
125. Are you sexting the board? |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #125 |
136. Sexting? What the hell is that |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #136 |
189. It's just an adaptation of the old "cybersex" fad to text messages |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #41 |
86. Madison and Jefferson were Freepers? - Who knew! |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #41 |
105. It far predates them. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:21 AM Response to Reply #41 |
251. Most people who "resist government" with a gun usually end up dead or in prison. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
61. Can I see your First Amendment permit, please? |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:19 AM Response to Reply #61 |
82. They have it. It's called registration and posting privileges at Democratic Underground. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. If DU were a gov't site, your post would actually make sense. n/t |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #83 |
94. Gun owners don't want to be regulated by the government, but all others - no problem. Got it. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #94 |
112. EXACTLY CORRECT. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #112 |
132. Please go into the Obamas bedroom tonight and speak your mind. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #132 |
190. In much the same way that breaking into the White House to harrass the President |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #112 |
193. government does not have "rights" |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #94 |
122. When you actually |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #82 |
175. Poor attempt at a sidestep. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
67. Reasonable restrictions |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:32 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. You have been watching too many NRA propaganda movies. Might I suggest Bambi or Dumbo instead? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #72 |
126. We can argue about the success of a civilian revolution ... |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #126 |
233. All of which leads us to the conclusion that gun owners no longer need guns for a "militia" coup... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #72 |
179. Disney's new movie, "The Princess and The Frog" is a LOT better. N/T |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #15 |
79. Indistinguishable? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
177. Ever hear of "Haynes v. United States"? |
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Grassy Knoll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
17. It's not gun registration ......... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
19. Worked wonderfully in Canada, right? |
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chollybocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
25. While I admire the intent, |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. California isn't Canada and we have a good prison system here for lawbreakers. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. To bad. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
49. Hahahah! You a funny guy. Wrong, but funny. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Calling... |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #49 |
114. Which part specifically was wrong? n/t |
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chollybocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Are you suggesting that non-complience in CA |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:18 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Non compliance with laws should go unpunished then? In what world do you live? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Your state is broke. |
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Merchant Marine (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
40. It cost Canada $2 billion to register 7 million firearms |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
140. Nevermind that Canada STILL doesn't have all those weapons registered. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
65. The one that's out of money and looking at early releases? n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #26 |
101. Our "good" prison system is one of the biggest reasons the state is broke |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
53. What is the presumed benefit of gun registration? nt |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:21 AM Response to Reply #53 |
66. I really don't see the need to register rifles or shotguns... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
196. What would be the benefit of registering handguns? nt |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
68. And what next? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Deleted message |
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69. Deleted message |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
74. Go Don Quixote! |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
75. Talk about a solution in search of a problem.. |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
76. And mandatory gun confiscation from freepers and teabaggers |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Why? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #76 |
176. Uncle Joe would love your kind. n/t |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #176 |
188. I'm sure he'd love kindly Uncle Joe too, |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
77. Of all the places proposing ANY kind of registration... I'd trust CA the least. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
92. Deleted message |
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100. Deleted message |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
103. Stupid |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Intimidate? No.. Infuriate? Oh yah. n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. When we get infuriated, we vote |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #108 |
111. I think that Democrat needs to get PRIMARIED |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:45 AM Response to Reply #108 |
265. I am sure they hear you in Sacramento (snicker), you betcha. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #106 |
110. Both |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
134. This will not go over well here in El Dorado County |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #134 |
157. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center your county is home to a band of "militia " kooks. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. So because you deem |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #161 |
172. Not to mention she paints a whole county due to a small portion of its residents. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #172 |
181. Why is it |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #181 |
182. And she still hasn't answered my question in post #66. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #182 |
183. Yeah |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #172 |
187. If people there tolerate militia nuts, who is the kook or kooks? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #187 |
191. Would you support confiscation? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #191 |
195. You know she would. |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #195 |
200. read below. and since I am not a police officer I would not be taking any guns. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #200 |
206. So you admit you would hire armed thugs to UnConstitutionally seize private property? |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:30 AM Response to Reply #206 |
261. The armed thugs we pay to protect us are there to enforce laws, not ignore them. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:49 AM Response to Reply #261 |
266. I have not broken any laws. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #200 |
215. So that makes |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #191 |
199. Only for people who are unfit. We do that now with mentally ill,child and woman beaters and the like |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #199 |
227. As if no woman has ever abused her boyfriend or husband before |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #199 |
229. And who will determine who is "unfit"? |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 03:02 AM Response to Reply #229 |
268. Same as now. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:28 PM Response to Reply #187 |
194. Liberty or Newspeak. |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #157 |
220. Have you ever been to El Dorado County? |
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Mother Smuckers (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
137. More idiotic ideas destined only to give further advantages to the criminals. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #137 |
145. If I were a criminal, I would be all for draconian gun control... |
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Mother Smuckers (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #145 |
156. 'zackly! Makes me wonder what exactly is the motivation of the devotees of limiting RKBA |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. Welcome to DU (n/t) |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #137 |
197. How would registering firearms give further advantages to the criminals? nt |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #197 |
201. Simple.... |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #201 |
203. That reason won't hold water. Whats more expensive? A gun or a funeral for a person killed.... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #203 |
219. Draconian gun control will lead to MORE funerals not less ... |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #197 |
204. It wouldn't. It would help keep guns away from criminals by insuring the gun can be traced back to |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. Unless the owner avoids the issue by not registering them in the first place... |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 06:53 AM Response to Reply #205 |
213. thanks for admitting you are not a law abiding gun owner when this bill becomes. law. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #213 |
216. Gee |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #213 |
218. You should have checked friendly_iconoclast's profile before making your comment |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #213 |
228. Can you point out where, please? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #213 |
230. Here's two concepts for you: "malum in se," and "malum prohibitum" |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #230 |
239. It doesnt matter what YOU think. Its what the law says and the jury decides that really matters... |
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Merchant Marine (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #239 |
244. Ever heard of Jury Nullification? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #239 |
249. You do, actually |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #205 |
237. That won't work. Many CA residents own unregistered assault weapons and everyone of them is an |
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Merchant Marine (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #237 |
245. Waiting... |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #245 |
247. No no no |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:36 AM Response to Reply #247 |
262. yes,yes,yes.. |
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Merchant Marine (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 03:33 AM Response to Reply #262 |
269. Assuming that those "Assault Weapons" are not on the dated Rooberti-Roos list |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #204 |
217. Guns can already be traced to their owners under the current system |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #217 |
223. Please don't |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:23 AM Response to Reply #223 |
260. What facts? |
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cabluedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #217 |
234. Pure baloney! But you do spew it so well, dont you? NRA teaches you gun-folks well.... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #234 |
240. You've made a couple of claims that can be tested |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #234 |
246. Back to the insults again |
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