Court tosses CU (University of Colorado) gun ban

Source: Denver Post

The Colorado Court of Appeals ruled Thursday that the University of Colorado has no authority to bar students or visitors from lawfully carrying guns on campus.

The appeals court said an El Paso County district judge was wrong to dismiss a challenge filed by a group called Students for Concealed Carry on Campus and three students from the University of Colorado.

The CU Board of Regents adopted a ban on all guns on campuses, believing the statewide Concealed Carry Act (CCA) did not apply to universities.

But the court found that the legislature, in standardizing the rules governing concealed weapons from county to county through the CCA of 2003, specifically intended the act to apply everywhere in the state except in a handful of places listed in the statute, like K-12 schools.

Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14894750

Sounds like a prescription for grade inflation....

Get cracking, I've only the complete works of Tolkien, pere et fils, to get through while you look for some...

Hah!

:crazy:

IIRC they had something of an arsenal set up on-campus, sort of a gun-check before you entered.

I'd rather the owners of those weapons have them in their custody, frankly.

Oh sure, you can buy yourself a lawsuit over it. Maybe even win.

But makes more sense to abide by reasonable policies.

if not by the administration themselves. There remains some anti-free speech sentiments in some admins and departments, but that is fading too.

As a child of the 60s to see my contemporaries getting their knickers in a knot over free speech and demonstrations like the empty holster protests is both hilarious and sad. They are in many ways worse than those they protested years ago.

so as to abide by "reasonable policies".

Umm, just one question: Who decides?

Hey, somebody's gotta do it!}(

The First.

The only one the founders of this nation felt was equally/more important than the right to keep and bear arms, was the right to speak your mind, no matter how abrasive your thoughts may be.

The only exceptions are actual threats and speech that puts other's safety at risk, such as screaming fire in a crowded theater to use the customary example.

Don't be a jackass, if you live in this nation and are competent to be posting on the internet you know that already.

So stop playing dumb to try to make some idiotic point.

Bring on the gungeoneers. 'If only the kids had been armed.'

We'd all forgotten about Columbine. :eyes:

Chicago has the tightest gun ban in the nation. Really works doesn't it? http://www.suntimes.com/index.html

Why don't we try putting the entire population of Colorado inside the Denver city limits, give them their guns and stand back and watch. That would be a really interesting experiment. How many people would be dead at the end of the day, week, year?

I think people with brains don't fall for that simple minded right wing talking point stuff. The teabaggers spout those kinds of "facts" and "proof" all the time. I am guessing it only works with other people who truly believe that more guns for all equals a safer world. It sounds like something Glen Beck would say to try to convince his idiot fans.

population density increases criminal behavior?

Also, tell me why Civil Rights should vary due to geography.

I find it peculiar that so many gun-controllers/prohibitionists have so little faith in their fellow citizens. Yet you must depend on your fear of your fellows in order to contrive such a metropolitan fantasy. People "with brains" can come up with something better than this yee-HAH sociology.

I am also struck by the continued use of the strawman "...people who truly believe that more guns for all equals a safer world." That doesn't sound like anyone else but you. How many "brains" did it take to conjure up that fantasy?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=302907

Thanks for reminding us that "gun-free" zones don't really work.

And you are losing.

Columbine was a HIGH SCHOOL.

This issue is not about highschools.

It is about a college, and ADULTS, not a high school and CHILDREN.


An accident, I'm sure... :eyes:

Three years ago yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8160807

Oh wait, no, it wasn't. That was a guy who was prohibited from possessing firearms due to having been adjudicated a threat to himself and others, and would have failed the background check if it weren't for the fact that the Commonwealth of Virginia failed to report this to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System in a timely fashion.

Just a suggestion, but your case might be a little stronger if you could produce evidence of significant numbers of CCW permit holders committing violent crimes with their firearms on campus.

Your defense (excuse) of why the gun free zone concept (which I'm certain you support wholeheartedly) failed would be?


Alternatively, you could come up with a few examples of colleges that are NOT gun free zones, where this has happened...


Take your time.

They knew "gun-free zones" when they saw 'em.

The then-pending concealed-carry legislation in Colorado which would legalize the practice.









Both were opposed.

darn those pesky civil rights

The University of Utah is not known for either a high level of crime or a large number of stupid people, but they do allow
CCW on campus- as do all Utah state colleges.

This applies to a very small minority of students.
- You have to be 21
- You have to go through all the rigmarole to get a CCW
- You have to have a concealable firearm
- You have to be carrying it

When taken in total, its a very small number of students. Same thing here is California.

Univ of California, like the University of Colorado needs to be subject to state law like every other organization. If they think that the small majority of student that this decision actually covers represents some sort of major threat to higher education, they should pursue changes in the law.

Speaking as a college prof, this is really a tempest in a teapot

forgot to add that you have to be off your mommas tit at least one day before turning 21 and be potty trained there are very strict standers before these so called "Kids" get a ccl :sarcasm:

Since the fall semester of 2006, state law has allowed licensed individuals to carry concealed handguns on the campuses of the nine degree-offering public colleges (20 campuses) and one public technical college (10 campuses) in Utah. Concealed carry has been allowed at Colorado State University (Fort Collins, CO) since 2003 and at Blue Ridge Community College (Weyers Cave, VA) since 1995. After allowing concealed carry on campus for a combined total of one hundred semesters, none of these twelve schools has seen a single resulting incident of gun violence (including threats and suicides), a single gun accident, or a single gun theft. Likewise, none of the forty ‘right-to-carry’ states has seen a resulting increase in gun violence since legalizing concealed carry, despite the fact that licensed citizens in those states regularly carry concealed handguns in places like office buildings, movie theaters, grocery stores, shopping malls, restaurants, churches, banks, etc. Numerous studies*, including studies by University of Maryland senior research scientist John Lott, University of Georgia professor David Mustard, engineering statistician William Sturdevant, and various state agencies, show that concealed handgun license holders are five times less likely than non-license holders to commit violent crimes.

"Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns,” John Lott and David Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies (v.26, no.1, pages 1-68, January 1997);

“An Analysis of the Arrest Rate of Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders as Compared to the Arrest Rate of the Entire Texas Population,” William E. Sturdevant, September 1, 2000; Florida Department of Justice statistics, 1998; Florida Department of State,

“Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report,” 1998; Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Census Bureau, reported in San Antonio Express-News, September 2000; Texas Department of Corrections data, 1996-2000, compiled by the Texas State Rifle Association

What's the logic behind wanting to carry concealed on-campus? I can understand other situations (e.g. a bar, back alley, downtown), but I don't get the campus part.

Where the single most asked question during that 12 minutes of death and destruction was probably, "Does anyone have a gun?"

Short answer? "No, we're a gun free zone" (except for the guy doing the killing).

Whatever.

Even if one school shooting happens in a year, millions of students go to school each day without issue. That's why I don't get it. Schools aren't an inherently violent place.

What makes a college campus any different than every other place they can go?

More room for us.

:evilgrin:

teh stoopid.

Sorry to be so cryptic.
;-)

on the ranch..............

perspective, but what about the assaults, rapes, and robberies?

Or is it enough to say to a girl who was just raped "Sorry you couldn't defend yourself, but college campuses aren't inherently dangerous places!"

That took 32 lives, many of which MIGHT have been saved IF someone had a gun.

w.o incident EITHER.

schools are NOT an inherently violent place. but they are also not a civil rights free zone.

why should lawful CCW'ers etc. have to give up their rights when entering a college campus?

Institutions of tertiary education are required to publish crime statistics under the Jeanne Clery law. By way of example, here's UCLA's for 2008 http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/clery/Stats08.pdf
USC's for 2006-2008 http://capsnet.usc.edu/dps/asr/documents/ASR2009_000.pdf
UC Berkeley's for 2007 http://annualreport.ucpd.ucla.edu/2007/berkeley/FBI_Part1_Part2_Crimes.html
University of Oregon for 2006-2008 http://safetyweb.uoregon.edu/sites/all/files/docs/Campus_Security_Report_2009.pdf
University of Washington for 2006-2008 http://www.washington.edu/admin/police/what_to_know.pdf
You can find statistics for other colleges and universities with a bit of Googling.

You'll see that homicides are exceedingly rare, but forcible rape and other sexual assaults, robberies and aggravated assaults do happen with a bit more frequency. Not very often compared to the surrounding communities, sure, but that's of little consolation to the victims of the incidents that do happen.

It is, incidentally, quite illegal to possess a firearm in an establishment declared off-limits to persons under 21 by the state Liquor Control Board here in Washington state, and personally, I'm fire with that.

remember Virginia Tech? If just one student was legally armed the outcome might have been far different, but because it was a gun-free campus, well you know the rest