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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:37 PM Original message |
Kal Penn robbed at gunpoint in DC |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. Thank you |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
142. You didn't really say that in response to Kai Penn getting robbed |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
2. Well, he can't come back to "House," unfortunately. :^( |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. As P. Duffy once said, "Never say Never" |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. LOL |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
72. Sure he can. House is nuts, remember? |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. Never walk around DC alone at night |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I would guess.... |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
248. Depends on where you are in DC. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. I could say the same of Bridgeport, or Waterbury. |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
38. yes, you could - or Phoenix or Boston or Seattle |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. that's the truth - absolutely |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
81. now there's a commentary on the state of our nation |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. Impossible. Guns are banned in DC. NT |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Um, no, the NRA and its fans on the Roberts court saw to that. Plus |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Do the criminals also commute? The Virginians don't seem to have quite this level of crime... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Mass shootings are more Virginia's thing. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
157. In a 'dc-like' gun free zone, no less. N/T |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
262. DC they shoot more people, but one at a time. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Actually still yes - new laws not on the books yet - DC pols dragging their feet. NT |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Interesting read on the process as it stands.. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. If it is THAT important to you, that seems pretty reasonable. nt |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Now imagine that kind of process to vote, |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. A vote does not kill strangers on the street. nt |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Shit, tell that to the iraqi's.. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
173. Wow. Cognitive disconnect, much? n/t |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
184. REASONABLE? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. Only thing that bothers me is the 72 hour thing. n/t |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. That's why a lot of people get a concealed carry permit ... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:49 AM Response to Reply #30 |
202. ....jump, Jim Crow, jump, jump, Jim Crow!...... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:48 AM Response to Reply #23 |
200. Jump, Jim Crow! Jump, jump, Jim Crow!.... nt |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. It's illegal to carry them |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Repealing any of the laws for gun control in the world wouldn't have prevented this stick-up. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. The problem with that is, the robber already 'forced' KP into the gun culture |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:37 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. He was robbed at gun point, that's for sure. I'm not sure I read you. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:38 AM Response to Reply #46 |
156. " zero give & take on the issue (from both sides)" |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Violation of laws are punishment |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
80. But maybe we can figure out how to keep the crazy fucker from getting a gun? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Figure out how to keep him from getting crack yet? umm no |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Besides having me pay for prisons or having me train to be a killer, what is the NRA's solution? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Root cause is important.. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Important enough for the NRA and the Gun Lobby to fully ignore it. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. The NRA has no position on Drug Law, NORML does |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. No- but they DO have a position on PRISONS. They want me to pay for more of them. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Can you link that? To clarify |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Sure: |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. No I mean from there site or charter |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. So Chuck Heston's own words at a Pro-NRA speech don t count? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. I dont see anything on their site saying they support new prisons |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Logic tells us that once the old prisons fill up, we will have to build new ones. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. Or let out the drug offenders with no violent records.(nt) |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. I would love it if the NRA/GOP openly supported that. They dont. Therefore I oppose them. |
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HALO141 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #120 |
285. If you really expect |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #120 |
321. Are you really saying this? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #96 |
207. Crime rates are down. How is the "pro-gun movement" part of the problem? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #96 |
231. You also have to remember that many Democrats own firearms... |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #96 |
320. Are you kidding? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #86 |
175. What "viable solutions" do you think the NRA has opposed? n/t |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #86 |
188. Crack isn't a metaphor; it's an illustration of how legal prohibition is no guarantee... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:01 AM Response to Reply #86 |
206. bereft of your OWN solutions, you look to the NRA? What is "viable" to you? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #86 |
224. You are ignoring other forms of violence. |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #44 |
65. I think you're both right |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #65 |
176. How do you know that Penn could not have defended himself... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:05 AM Response to Reply #65 |
208. "...robber would have stolen the gun..." Wishin' and hopin'? Speculating? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
174. "Repealing any of the laws for gun control in the world wouldn't have prevented this stick-up." |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #44 |
198. Here is the issue. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:58 AM Response to Reply #44 |
205. Corrections... |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #44 |
222. Putting people in prison after the fact. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #12 |
172. I think he meant... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
199. Um, no, gun prohibition. For decades. You are familiar with prohibition, no? |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. I hope he finds work quickly. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Huh? He actually has a position in Obama's cabinet |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. He stepped down from the Administration post (according to the OP article.) n/t |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Filming Harold & Kumar 3, I believe |
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soleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
6. I just listened to his interview with Rachel from one year ago |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
7. Care to back that up? |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Back what up? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. This: |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
209. Pinned the tail on that donkey. nt |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Your assertion- |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. 'And/or' |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. But these need not be either "and" or "or" |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Do robbers with |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. That's Quicks Draw McGraw |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. are you |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Hurry, send him the contact number for his closest mental health professional |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #39 |
58. I'm not scared |
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MichaelHarris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:25 AM Response to Reply #58 |
159. I'm so glad |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #159 |
226. Nope, not an all-consuming fear. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #159 |
230. Have you memorized the number for 911? Keep a spare tyre in your car? Fire extinguisher in your home |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:49 AM Response to Reply #39 |
201. Wow, you just wanted to spring a trap, eh? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:14 AM Response to Reply #39 |
211. "He who first smelt it, dealt it" -- Euripides. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:40 AM Response to Reply #28 |
49. Jesus- where do you live? Late 1800's Dodge City? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. I don't need to shoot anyone either |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Gee, I hope some kid with a cap gun doesn't jump out from behind a bush. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Only cops in the bushes |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. LOL! Well at least we are keeping the children safe. |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:34 AM Response to Reply #78 |
160. After he shoots the kid he can tell his mother "what's the difference between ... |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:51 AM Response to Reply #160 |
203. That isn't the point of that. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Sounds like the NRA/GOP Gun Culture nightmare has all but come true. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
94. Then repeal the second. The prohibition crowd |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #94 |
104. I agree that it would be a disaster. So why not start working with moderates on this? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Crime is actually dropping |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. I'm not sure I want to modify a law. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. 10 year trend, cross racial lines. Poor people are impacted more by crime |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. What's your point? The wealthy areas with less restrictive laws were already low crime areas... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Drug Laws = Poverty = Crime |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. I realize the NRA/GOP is only going to make those problems worse. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:56 AM Response to Reply #123 |
204. Than quit whining and offer up a workable solution. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:20 AM Response to Reply #123 |
213. You have established yourself as a gun-controller, not a moderate. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:16 AM Response to Reply #70 |
212. Admit it: you are deeply invested in gun-control, and can't let up. nt |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
298. The Wild West had a lower rate of street crime than we do today. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:40 AM Response to Reply #28 |
50. dupe |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. No? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
48. I guess all those people were really good with guns. I guess we all better get practicing! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. YOur best option is reforming drug laws |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. Except your greatest voice on this issue, the NRA/GOP, OPPOSES such sane solutions. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #67 |
84. The NRA is a single issue group. They have no position on abortion, nafta, or drug law(nt) |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. I hear NRA people taking the position that people should go to prison all the time. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Bottom line, its a dead issue. Gun Control is not going to be passed |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. The bottom line is that the NRA & gun lobby are part of the problem. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Again, the NRA has NO POSITION on Abortion, NAFTA, or Drug law |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. But they DO have a position on PRISONS. They want me to pay for MORE of them. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I believe they support enforcement of existing law. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. True- like I said- prisons & more guns is their only solution. Sounds pretty Right Wing to me. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. What would you like changed? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. I'd like it if gun advocates would be part of sane & responsible solutions. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #106 |
178. What solutions do you propse? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:26 AM Response to Reply #106 |
215. "the ball is not really in my court on this one." That's just the problem... |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #106 |
309. OMFG |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #106 |
313. Au contraire, mon frere |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #101 |
312. What should we do with your killer? |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #101 |
324. How is it "right wing" to support putting violent criminals in jail?!?!? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:22 AM Response to Reply #93 |
214. Ahh, such a "moderate." No, you are a culture-war extremist... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #87 |
177. Do you not beleive that putting criminals into prisons... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #87 |
194. For violating *firearms* laws, yes |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #87 |
323. VIOLENT CRIMINALS SHOULD GO TO PRISON ALL THE TIME! |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. I would prefer that fewer people turn to crime. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #48 |
227. Just because you choose to be defenseless does not mean that thugs will be kind to you. N/T |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
63. Interesting - in each of those four stories the bad guys |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. No, the bad guys were willing to convince the good guys.. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
179. And I should trust the criminals because.....? n/t |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
228. Wrong. The good guys were shooting because the bad guys were threatening to kill the good guys. N/ |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #26 |
225. No, the criminal does not walk around with a drawn gun. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #26 |
229. There are innumerable ways to deal with this situation. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #26 |
322. There have been numerous examples cited here. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. And yet you can't / won't back up either assertion. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:12 AM Response to Reply #17 |
210. I see you still employ the Rovian... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Onehandle with facts? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
47. Maybe they would have shot each other. Or maybe he would have shot the robber. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:03 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. According to the DOJ's NCVS, most defensive gun uses involve no shots fired. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. But in the examples you gave in post #29, there was a whole lot of shooting going on. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Yes, it's hard to find press articles about crimes that didn't happen. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. But you were able to find plenty where people are popping off shots. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:46 AM Response to Reply #69 |
158. Absolutists? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. Another occasion of sin, eh? n/t |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
35. Ban Kal Penn. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
40. Impossible. Handguns are illegal there. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. This would not have happened if they would just take all the gun laws off the books. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Just the stupid pointless ones that put newt in office and do nothing |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
75. I agree with you that some communities are "shitholes" while others are not. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. gastonia sc is a high crime shithole |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #85 |
128. Wouldnt doubt it. Changes nothing as to my basic arguments & concerns. n/t |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
180. The legal "gun culture"... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
42. But-but- he could have robbed him with a lead pipe- or a car- or a bath-tub!!! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. I think robbery and murder predate gunpowder...(nt) |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
73. Hell, he could have robbed him with a sword, or a cave-man's club. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. Knives and screwdrivers kill more than assault rifles |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. My loss indeed, If I get shot, it's not like the NRA would give a shit. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Personally I dont care about him, or if you get shot in a carjacking |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #91 |
110. In other words, I should oppose you, the NRA and the GOP with every fiber of my being. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Oppose what you want. Reality is what it is. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. I accept reality. I could get shot, and you, the GOP & the NRA could care less. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. You could be killed by a drunk driver but brunello still goes well with steak |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. Normal people see a difference between drinking wine w/ steak & shooting people. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. If i kill you with my car while drunk or shoot you dead, you end up in the same place.. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. I could kill you using karate chops too, but normal people still see a difference... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. Normal people arent married to e med docs |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. All I know is that no one can rob me with a glass of wine. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. So if I kill you with my car while drunk should I be punished, or are we cool? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. Which Multi-Million Dollar conservative lobby is advocating a drunk driving culture? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #136 |
141. Guns are a bamboozle. Ita a choice. I pull a trigger and kill you, i drive a car into you and kill |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. I guess NRA literature only covers certain debate topics. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. There is no debate. Gun control as a political topic is done. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #145 |
148. Then stop talking about it. Be content. You have nothing to defend. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Legalize drugs ( already not enforced in rich communities) and make mental health |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. And I'll side with the NRA as soon as they start advocating that. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #151 |
318. The NRA takes no position on drugs, or other issues. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #148 |
181. What are your proposals? n/t |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #148 |
297. "Then stop talking about it. Be content. You have nothing to defend." |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #115 |
314. Huh? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #110 |
216. Well, do you? Are you serious? Do you have it in you for the long run? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #216 |
241. The guy just told me that he does not care if I get shot or not. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #241 |
301. I live in Texas, do you care if I get mugged? n/t |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:43 AM Response to Reply #110 |
307. Sounds like a predetermined conclusion to me |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:40 AM Response to Original message |
51. If only he had a permit. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
60. Or, if that robber, who is probably a career criminal, was in jail where he belonged, |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. I made that point above- the NRA/GOP solution is to build more prisons... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #71 |
133. Well, it's not like making guns illegal in DC made a difference, now did it? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #133 |
139. So if we REPEAL all the gun laws in DC, will that reduce gun violence there? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:36 AM Response to Reply #139 |
197. It probably wouldn't make gun violence worse |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #139 |
299. Repealing DC draconian gun laws would simply make it like most US cities. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #71 |
220. I don't think we need more prisons - I think we are putting too many of the wrong people in prisons |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. Don't waste your time with these idiots ---slack |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Yes- better to discuss this with the "smart" NRA & GOP types. LOL! |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
190. Dr Fate, A high percentage of Democrats own firearms .. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #190 |
242. I'm one of them- thanks! Do I give money to right wingers? Hell no. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #76 |
217. Yeah, like you want real "balance on this issue." right. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #217 |
243. I dont want "balance" for the benefit of the NRA- I want less gun violence in DC. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #243 |
276. It is totally fair to be ignorant of logic and analysis as well. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #276 |
287. See post #259 for an example on how to make an attempt at answering a fairly easy question. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #287 |
290. You did not have educated guess in your list of answers(nt) |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
77. Good to see that most... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Gun absolutists dont seem to care if I get a gun pulled on me... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. You are correct, I really dont care. I dont relate drinking wine with dinner to a dwi murder |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:01 AM Response to Reply #79 |
195. Pulling a gun on people (except in self-defense) is already illegal too |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
125. I'm concerned enough to point out that DC's gun laws are so much security theatre n/t |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. So DC would have less gun crime if they repealed all their current laws? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. Define Gun Culture, the "gun culture" I know would get fucked up in S chicago |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #130 |
134. You know-fat guys with beards & guns who like Sarah Pailin & give money to GOP lobbyists. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Those guys aren't the ones lit up in the ER, in Raleigh |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. True- and I'm not sure if their culture would translate over into high crime areas. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #137 |
143. No, my neighbors are generally retired and fairly liberal folks from the NE. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. The question was- if we repeal gun laws in DC, will there be less gun violence? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. No correlation. Whatever the trend is doing it will continue.. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. So you are saying that the NRA would cause more gun violence in DC, not less? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. It would be the same as if they changed the rules on liability insurance on passenger cars |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:40 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. So if the NRA had their way, would 1) more people in DC get shot. 2) Less people or 3) the same? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. False choice. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #154 |
161. In other words, if the Far Right and the NRA gets their way 100%, more people in DC will get shot. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. AGAIN with the false choice.. *sigh* |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. Then tell us how the NRA/GOP will reduce gun violence in DC. Or maybe that simply is not the case? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. Are you being intentionally obtuse? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. No- just honest. The GOP/ NRA will not help my goal of reducing gun violence in DC. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. "Blue Dogs" like Harry Reid? Pull the other one, it's got bells on. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. Blue Dogs, DLCers, conservative, "moderate" DEMS, whatever they are calling themselves this week. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. No, I refuse to play by your black and white precepts. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #169 |
170. Deleted message |
X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #170 |
171. For all that you've claimed it, you haven't demonstrated that such and such are the results.. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #170 |
189. So what positive RESULTS have obtained from DC's recent gun laws? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #189 |
236. What positive results from DC's laws? About the same as what the NRA gets? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #170 |
218. Ah, you are such a "moderate." So "fair & balanced." burp. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #167 |
315. Self-delete |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #167 |
316. Point deserving of extra emphasis |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #166 |
192. The DC government hasn't, and says its citizens have no right to police protection |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #192 |
238. I realize that the NRA types would rather blame the police as opposed to the gun idustry, etc. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #238 |
305. The way Boeing is 'responsible' for Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and 9/11? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:13 AM Response to Reply #166 |
196. You're shifting the burden of proof |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #196 |
246. I'm just looking for ways to reduce gun violnece in DC. Does the NRA have that solution? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:23 AM Response to Reply #246 |
306. Does the NRA have to provide that solution? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #161 |
183. You have failed to show how your assertion is true. n/t |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #183 |
239. I have yet to see someone show me that the NRA plan will decrease gun violence in DC. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #239 |
250. "I have yet to see someone show me that the NRA plan will decrease gun violence in DC." |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #250 |
278. I've already adressed all that, but here it goes again: |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. Your choice is bullshit. It assumes legal gun ownership impacts crime |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #155 |
162. In other words, if the Far Right and the NRA gets their way 100%, more people in DC will get shot. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #162 |
187. That is possable, but maybe enough of the goblins will be shot |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #187 |
240. Oh! Goblins, Dildos, run-away cars, glasses of wine! More stupid-ass metaphors-what a suprise. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #240 |
249. Yep, reality is quite a motherfucker. Crime in dc had gone up with a ban, down in rest |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #249 |
256. I'll bet gun violence in DC did go up after the gun laws. Would it go up under the NRA plan? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #256 |
260. They dont exist. Stats dont show cause |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #260 |
263. No- guns and gun victims DO EXIST. And there will either be more of them, or less of them.... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #263 |
266. Please, please, please take a stats class.. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #266 |
271. I'm the one asking you for information, and you cant provide it. Fair enough. n/t |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #271 |
274. You are playing a game. You ask for information that can not be provided. Put false options |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #271 |
280. "What color is happy?" "How does quantum mechanics taste?" |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #263 |
272. Same as their plan for famine in africa.. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #263 |
300. You are forgetting about all the other types of violence. N/T |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #240 |
252. Another dodge.... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #252 |
257. LOL! You guys compare guns to Dildos & victims to "goblins", yet *I'm* the one dodging? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #257 |
269. Yeah you are, show me stats on swiss watch ownership and baldness.. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #269 |
281. Dildos, watches, wine, cars, bath tubs, bald guys. LOL! All from this very thread! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #281 |
291. Ignorance of statistics could be classified as stupid.. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #162 |
191. What other large cities had a jump in gun crime when gun laws were loosened? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #191 |
234. So you are saying that less people would get shot in DC if the NRA had there way? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #234 |
251. Casting pearl before swine. you have negative correlation friend, so causation is not possible |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #251 |
288. Either more people will get shot, less people will get shot, or the #s will stay the same. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #288 |
294. No you may be simple but the world you live in is not. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:43 AM Response to Reply #162 |
219. The true sign when you have lost your argument: |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #219 |
235. LOL! Since when do we include the GOP/NRA as "fellow progressives" |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #235 |
304. Your derogatory remarks in posts #162 & #281 *were not* directed at the GOP |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #137 |
182. What are your proposals? n/t |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #182 |
245. I'm not sure. I just know that the NRA will not help me with my goals. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #127 |
223. Maybe you are picking on the wrong culture? |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #125 |
310. You a Bruce Schneier fan? n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #77 |
221. We'd all be safer if violent shitheads were kept in prison instead of tagged and released |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
138. What makes him so special? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Nothing- really more of a celebrity news piece than anything else. n/t |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
193. You have just made an argument for liberalizing DC's gun laws |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #193 |
232. It's unlikely that the gun laws in DC will ever be liberalized ... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. So if the NRA had their way, would 1) more people in DC get shot. 2) Less people or 3) the same? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #233 |
237. 4) none of the above. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #237 |
244. Will more people or less people get shot, or will the #s hold. Which is it? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #244 |
247. I think that you need to attend a stats class. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #247 |
253. "violent crime" is not my topic. My topic is the #s of human beings in DC getting shot at. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #253 |
254. You still miss it. Just because the stats show murder increased after a ban (correlation) |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #254 |
261. Could be. So show us your stats then. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #261 |
268. See #266. n/t |
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darn skippy (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #261 |
311. my best guess |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #253 |
255. It has been shown that crime rates do not increase... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #255 |
258. Jesus- why did that take 2 freaking days? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #258 |
264. My apologies, been pretty busy at work. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #264 |
270. Helpful, but I asked for gun-violence stats, not general "crime stats" |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #270 |
273. What is your solution to the "problem" please list details. I will not ask you for supporting stats |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #273 |
279. Are you disagreeing with my "balance" conclusion? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #270 |
277. Well, the general homicide stats are there... |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #253 |
259. Well, there's two way to look at this: |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #259 |
265. AN HONEST, STRAIGHT FORWARD ANSWER! THANK YOU LORD!!!!! |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #265 |
267. Those are, of course, my opinion. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #267 |
284. Thanks for the somewhat straight answers & talking to me like a normal person! |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:54 AM Response to Reply #284 |
308. By "straight answer," you mean "the answer you wanted," right? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #233 |
283. There are many factors to consider ... |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #283 |
286. More for me to agree with in your post than most. I AGREE- there would be MANY factors to look at!! |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #286 |
296. There are Democrats who are NRA members ... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
275. And who fucking cares. DC is a virulent shit hole |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #275 |
282. I couldnt have put more accurate sentiments in the mouth of the NRA/GOP if I had tried! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #282 |
289. Criminal acts have shit to do with me. Its a choice |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #289 |
292. I hear ya- as long as you can shoot people, what the fuck do you care if I get shot? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #292 |
295. Anyone can shoot people, its a choice. Some choose to be criminals |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #292 |
302. "I hear ya- as long as you can shoot people................... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #282 |
293. Not all of us ... |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #282 |
303. Your moralizing would work better if you actually *had* some moral authority, you know. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #282 |
317. Life in the big city. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
319. How do you know this? |
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