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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:41 AM Original message |
People who own "black rifles" love target shooting ... |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. There's too much emphasis on calling these guns "sporting rifles" |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. With the exception of a .22, every rifle I own is a "military rifle". |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. The military has used suppressed .22 pistols extensively. nt |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Heh, true. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
71. I agree. |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. I think you are missing the important distinction. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. I don't think the rate of fire makes the distinction. |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. So, what features or capabilities make them special? |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Ruggedness. |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Are you really suggesting that durability is the deciding factor? |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Well we will have to agree to disagree. |
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Ready4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
94. Civilian rifles need ruggedness too. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. I'd say rate of fire is the crucial distinction |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. "assault" |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. You are reading WAY too much into the name. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. The M1 Garand is considered a "Battle Rifle" |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:00 AM Response to Reply #85 |
90. I agree that is the key term |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. The opinion of a US Army Armourer. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Great post! (n/t) |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
95. The term "sporting" really, really needs to go away. It is SOOOO 1950's. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. These sound too easily used by angry and unbalanced snipers. |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. They only sound that way |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. You mean they're not any good for climbing up on high places and picking off people from a distance? |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I can think of a few better choices for that. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Here is what John Muhammed used in the beltway sniper attacks. |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Got any more examples? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. This example makes the point clearly enough. Target fun is unworthy of constitutional protection. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Target shooting is a difficult sport that takes time to master ... |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. One criminal's actions result in the loss... |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. What constitutional protections do you believe in? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. None are spared from pruning to fit the society we live in and the common good. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Obviously you disagree with the entire Constitution ... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Name any one of the first ten amendments |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. All ten have... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. OK. How about the Third Amendment .... |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
76. Shares, here's the deal. |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. I would have to disagree. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. No no no, the right to keep and bear arms kills no one. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. And fire doesn't burn. Kindling combusts. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. My point was that people having the right to bear arms is different from killing people. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
65. NO |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. Having a gun can also save your life. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
61. Are conservatives allowed to prune as well? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Of course. And they do, according to their power from time to time to steer the judiciary. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
68. That's funny. |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
74. It's also only the 2nd that can protect all of your other rights. |
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HALO141 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
49. Ironically enough, suitability for MILITARY purposes IS worthy of Constitutional protection |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Careful with that one. POTUS is the constitutional CIC of the militia. |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 07:28 AM Response to Reply #63 |
70. He could do that for the time... |
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HALO141 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #63 |
75. Don't make me laugh. |
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appal_jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
64. Um, it's in the Bill of Rights. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. They're all just as lethal, to an extent. Rifles are either capable or incapable. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. 50 to just over 100 yards is point-blank range for a rifle. N/T |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
39. 50 - 100 yards is not the kind of distance a true sniper would shoot |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
51. 50 to 100 yards is not sniper distance. That's just a little further out than shotgun distance. |
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HALO141 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Well.... To be accurate (no pun intended) |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. There is a reason why police sniper rarely take longer range shots. |
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HALO141 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #55 |
77. You are correct. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I figured that you knew the difference. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Good point, hadn't thought about that . . . nt |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
72. That's not sniping. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
79. And if he'd used a better rifle, he would have killed a lot more people. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Not as much as granddad's blued, walnut stocked gun |
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sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Not at all |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
21. Watch this video of a WWII German 98K rifle at 900 yards ... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
57. Very cool. Thanks. nt |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
67. Nice! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
40. My first choice from my own collection would be a Swedish Mauser |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
60. Negative, 55 grains is to light. Pushed around by wind. 300 grains at 3000fps |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
73. Just about any rifle can do that. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
20. All deer rifle fit that description. All serious caliber hunting rifles do too. |
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dr28704 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
92. DEER Rifles are not Sniper rifles |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. Unlike any scoped deer rifle. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
50. Actually, these rifles have fairly short barrels and small diameter bullets fired at high velocity. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
66. Showing your ignorance. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
96. Less so than actual military sniper rifles like the Winchester Model 70 and Remington Model 700... |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
5. That's really all they're good for. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I'm not sure sure about it being purely a fighting rifle, anymore. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. AR rifles are also used for hunting and are becoming quite popular... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
22. The M1 Garand isn't a "fighting gun"? |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Words have meanings. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Not picking |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 03:40 AM Response to Reply #28 |
69. Well, there I have to agree with you |
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Lost4words (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
6. They are popular partly because of their modularity, |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. In the city I always wished I could legally carry a hand gun |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. I hate to say this ... |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Get over yourself. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. My daughter has a concealed carry permit ... |
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SPedigrees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. I'm sorry about your daughter and her friend. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I believe we both agree on the issue. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. I guess I need to get over myself as well............ |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
12. I recently picked up this .308 "sporting rifle" |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
38. Of course you don't need a wiz bang black rifle |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Wow! |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. These videos might interest you ... |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. So cool. |
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