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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 05:05 PM
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WSJ article takes smack at Open Carry-Have Gun, Must Flaunt It?
By NANCY DEWOLF SMITH
Like a fly on a birthday cake, the subject of open carry—legally wearing a gun in public—keeps landing in the news and nobody can swat it down. Those who would like to be rid of it range from some of the most ardent gun-controllers to some of the fiercest believers in the Second Amendment right to bear arms. Many of the latter live in the 43 states where it already is legal to openly wear a handgun (although rules vary about whether it can be loaded, etc.). That the majority of people who could walk around outfitted for the OK Corral choose not to do so ought to be a hint that the minority who are most eager to force open carry on the rest of us might belong in a special category of bozos.

Consider the case of James Goldberg, who walked up to the counter of a Glastonbury, Conn. Chili's restaurant in 2007 costumed in camouflage and wearing a pistol. Police were called and Mr. Goldberg was arrested, only to be cleared after it was determined that since he had a permit for the weapon he was not breaking a law.

While news reports in 2007 described Mr. Goldberg as the night manager at a liquor store, he told the Hartford Courant this month that he is a "trained firearms instructor, sells guns at a Newington gun retailer and runs a business that provides security for business executives and entertainment industry celebrities." Whatever else Mr. Goldberg is, he's a thoroughly modern Millie. Back in the day, authentic cowboys didn't sue when the going got tough, especially not for "emotional distress."

Equally unimpressive were the armed types who gathered in a Virginia Park this month to demonstrate support for open carry and their opposition to government in general and the Obama administration in particular. Like the characters who now make a practice of wearing handguns into Starbucks and other places of business, such demonstrators may yet turn out to be a godsend for the antigun crowd.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471204575210742190085972.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTThirdBucket
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 05:16 PM
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1. I WILL REPEAT!
Just because you can doesn't mean you should
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 05:20 PM
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3. Given the option I prefer CC
however keeping an OC law on the books to prevent some poon calling the police because my shirt bunched up is also nice in NC.

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 05:23 PM
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4. Sure! The reason you CAN is because sometimes, you SHOULD
But that time is not EVERY TIME!
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shedevil69taz Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:07 PM
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5. Do you know exactly when you will need to use your car insurance?
How about your fire extinguisher? The answer is you don't really know because you can't predict the future, so you have those items easily accessable all the time.

It's a personally choice thought ultimately. I don't carry all the time because I choose to follow the law and I can't bring my weapon onto the military installation where I work. Other places that I can't carry I generally avoid going to as much as possible. Given the choice I will always conceal carry myself
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:29 PM
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6. "Do you know exactly when you will need to use your car insurance?"
Trying to reason with these people is like trying to reason with a box of rocks. I certainly admire the stamina of those who make the attempt.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:32 PM
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7. Yes, but a gun is not insurance of any kind
Edited on Sat May-01-10 07:33 PM by Taverner
Yes, its a great tool for a very specific event. At home, in my opinion is the best place for a gun. Out in public, you are taking a risk. Yes, I am talking about "what if you do something you shouldn't?"

You say you'd never do that huh? Never say never.

But then again, I'm strange. I don't think there should be any law barring you from taking your gun everywhere. But again, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:08 PM
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8. Looks like we agree on one thing.
But then again, I'm strange.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:44 PM
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Well - we also agree with the legal implications
Neither you nor I want to legislate the matter
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:44 PM
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9. Well - we also agree with the legal implications
Neither you nor I want to legislate the matter
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:20 PM
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12. Yes, that is a valid consideration ...
which is why you never draw your weapon unless you or someone else is facing severe bodily injury or death.

It's a very serious responsibility and if you do shoot and injure or kill another individual it will be a life changing experience, and not necessary for the better. It's not something that you ever want to do.

Still, using a firearm in legitimate self defense is better than facing months of rehab or ending up six feet under.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 06:20 AM
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14. Ah! Crime never happens in public...
I guess I missed the memo.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 10:57 AM
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17. If you feel you are in danger in public, then maybe you should carry a gun
It's a personal choice...not a black and white decision
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NewMoonTherian Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 08:48 AM
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16. I admire your ability...
to detach your personal opinions from your policy stances. It's something I try to do(with mixed results) and it's something I think we all need to aspire to.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 09:56 PM
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18. Available statistics don't support your assertion
At home, in my opinion is the best place for a gun. Out in public, you are taking a risk.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, in the period 2004-2008, over 70% of nonfatal violent victimizations occurred outside the victim's residence or property (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=44), so it would appear that you're more likely to need a gun out in public than at home.

Out in public, you are taking a risk. Yes, I am talking about "what if you do something you shouldn't?"

You say you'd never do that huh? Never say never.

Life isn't risk-free; a lot of it is balancing one risk against another. In this case, is the risk that I will "do something I shouldn't" (whatever that may entail) so much larger than the risk of myself or my kid becoming the victim of violence that the potential costs outweigh the potential benefits?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 12:02 AM
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13. If I knew I was going somewhere where a weapon was necessary ...
I would just avoid going there. Most people with carry permits do not go looking for trouble.

Unfortunately, I don't have a calendar that reminds me that I should carry a weapon on a given day. I can't think of many places where you are totally safe from attack. You can go to a Walmart or a grocery store and be attacked in the parking lot. You can go to church on Sunday and God doesn't post an angel at the door to stop a nutcase.

I don't fear an attack as I practice situational awareness and I don't do stupid things like visit an outdoor ATM at 3 am. Sometimes, life comes at you fast. You can do everything right and still end up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You always hope that you will never have to use a weapon for self defense, but it's best to have one in case you do need it.

It's a lot like winning the Lotto. There's very little chance that you will win a given lotto, but you have absolutely NO chance if you don't have one ticket.

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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 06:24 AM
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15. You are 100% correct.
Just because the WSJ can publish a completely fabricated and hyperbolic "issue" opinion, under the guise of the First Amendment, doesn't mean they should.
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 09:53 PM
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10. On a lighter note..........this really cracked me up:


Surveys suggest that serious shooters are not particularly drawn to girlie colors. But what about the rest of the female population? The same forces that compel women to change pocketbooks and fingernail colors may add a vexing new list of daily dressing decisions, like "What color pistol grip goes with this outfit?" Next thing you know, women could be trading tips on the Web about the best way to attract men in a world where every girl can have a gun. Should she try to stand out from the crowd with a piece of rustic exotica that reminds him of the safari dolls in 1953's "Mogambo," like a .416 Rigby? Or go with something more crudely flashy, like one of the pretend AK-47s?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 10:39 PM
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11. So very few non-leo open-cary all the time ...

Nancy Smith needs to lighten up.
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