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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:30 AM Original message |
The Gun Lobby’s Long Shadow |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. thank you for posting this |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
2. Ahh, the NYT.. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Ahh, the NRA.. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Constitutional questions aside.. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Ahhhh.......the onehandles of the Democratic Party ----- pushing votes |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 05:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
51. The NRA's campaign commercials were an anti-Obama hate fest |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. The Democrats are doing it to themselves |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. Its called due process read about it. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Apparently, *somebody* denied rights to those on the no-fly list |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. No they didn't. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. I thought you supported the constitution. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I am 100% against Bush stupid TERRA lists. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
48. BUT, this assumes the government has the power to tell you who you can let on your private plane. |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. "We don't deny rights without due process." I would change that "don't" to "shouldn't". Bush did |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Agreed. Still progressives shoudn't be cheering for denying even MORE rights without due process. |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I lobbied heavily against the so-called patriot act and homeland security bill for exactly those |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. The opinion piece cited is grossly ignorant. A major issue is whether an appointed official should |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
6. Nice to see someone standing up for the Bush Terrah list - congratulations! |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
8. Guns > People. nt |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Civil rights and due process > Bush/Cheney secret blacklists. (n/t) |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Rights of the People > Govt Secret Lists n/t |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. No, people > guns. That is why people have the right to own and carry guns. n/t |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Now that I think about it, we're both wrong. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. "It's Gun Owners > Non-Gun Owners. Yes. That's it." |
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NewMoonTherian (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. There is no distinction. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Deleted message |
TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 05:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
38. "We're both wrong"? Speak for yourself, onehandle. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Hammer cocked, with a "round" in the chamber, and sauntering through a restaurant? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. How does one have it available.. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Yes, that is actually the safe way... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Not to mention that the episode did a bit of... |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Uh, I don't think quotation marks mean what you think they mean. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
49. Hows about: |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
52. Ok we got it now. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
28. Nohandle: Control > Rights. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
12. Hey groovedaddy, would you be in favor of stopping people on the Sooper Seekrit List from voting? |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. No and none. I posted in attempt to promote (provoke?) dialogue. I will, at times, post the |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Thanks |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. That's a good purpose. |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. YOU! |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
42. Flying lessons...eom |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
21. So you think we have 1,100 armed terrorists in the US that have done nil for the last 6 years? |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
24. The hypocritical gun "control" equation: |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
26. Well, at least the NYT admits that we are a powerful force and that we are winning. |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
27. This is a big pile of horseshit. A really big steamy one. I'm with the "Gun-Lobby" on this one, 100% |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Oh! And another thing... |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. "Ok, I'm done ranting." |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 12:13 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. I applaud all you have said above, and I have a few points to add |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
35. Once again, the NYTimes embraces fear mongering |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
40. Which other rights shall we deny them without a trial on the basis of secret evidence? |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
46. THE NO FLY LIST TAKES AWAY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WITHOUT DUE PROCESS! |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. +1,000,000 (n/t) |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
47. Damn, how DARE we stand on due process. |
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