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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:45 AM Original message |
Federal Court rules open carry is "Disorderly" (Wisconsin case) |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. But if you're part of the government it's ok |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I am afraid that I agree with the judges ruling. If you are going to walk into |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. It wasn't against the law, regardless the "feelings" of others |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. And that was the judges ruling. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
52. No, they had no P.C. |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 05:27 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Officers had PC. But no crime was committed.That was the judges ruling. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Except that in many places... it doesn't. |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Read the report and the judges comments. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Hmmm. So, judges are never wrong? |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:27 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Let's just say I trust the judge more than I trust you. The judge did not call the |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:44 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Please cite the rule/law/Ms. Manners quote... |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:13 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Yes. It's all about rights. People and communities have rights too. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:29 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. "actually a good thing" |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:37 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Sheesh. He never said, or insinuated, anything of the sort |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Comparing the intent of Open Carry... |
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nebenaube (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. When did they change wisconsin law? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
53. No, Wisconsin is an open carry state... |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. There is a problem with that. |
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Coco2 (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. to conceal it would be against the law in most places... |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
54. Wisconsin was a little different. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
72. Because many have taken the position |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
4. Does the same opinion apply if... |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:19 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. The decision document in the OP provides the details. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Including police? n/t |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. no - that's just plain stupid |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. You said all open carry should go to jail |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:11 AM Response to Reply #13 |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. You didn't answer the question. Why is it ok for police (on or off duty) to open carry |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Because they are there to protect me from open carry teabagging assholes |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. The police are under no obligation to protect you. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I guarantee if I called 911 to get a gun toting asshole off my property they would |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:57 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. You're funny |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Your choice |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. and in most states you will go to jail for it |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Self-defense, dude |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. so if an "law abiding" open carry asshole shows up you can shoot him? |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I didn't say that, please don't put words in my mouth |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. If someone is openly carrying a gun - how can you tell he's a bad guy or not? |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. ok, guess |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. So if a young black man playing baseball breaks your window and comes to apologize |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:50 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. If he doesn't approach me in a threatening manner while holding a gun, no problem |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. what if he was carrying the bat he was playing ball with |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. THREATENING MANNER while holding a weapon, do you not understand? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:02 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. What if he was openly strapped and carrying a baseball bat? Would that be threatening? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. So what if a law abiding open carry homeless panhandler asks you for money? |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:01 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. If they approach in a threatening manner and have a weapon, yes, I'm concerned to say the least |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. So anyone openly carrying a gun is a "concern" - if they don't look "right" |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. No, that's not what I'm saying |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. so you arbitrarily assign a threat to anyone you don't like and you have a right to self defend |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Twisting again, huh. NOT what I said |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. What is a "threatening manner"? - it's arbitrary. This is why we have law enforcement not anarchy |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Vermont is a shining example of anarchy due to open carry, isn't it |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. When the open carry extremists abuse their privileges - that will change |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Here's some more "extremists" arrested while doing nothing illegal |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Let me explain. I'll use small words and short sentences |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. "But prepared nonetheless" - yup, because they are ALL threats |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Like it or not, jpak |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Is a dog urinating on your lawn a "threat" - it was to this asshole |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Of course not, jpak. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Only arbitrary in your mind. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #47 |
65. Evidently, what constitutes "disorderly conduct" is what's arbitrary |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #47 |
77. Actually, it is quite clearly legally defined |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
59. Now that's funny. |
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inkool (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. What if the person open carrying was a Democrat... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. no - it would not |
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inkool (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Ok, so you are against open carry in general? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. if you are not hunting or on the range - no, I'm against open carry |
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inkool (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #33 |
45. So you belive that the only reason people open carry is... |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #45 |
58. No! Not OK! |
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inkool (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 06:23 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Thanks, |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
61. If you are so set against open carry |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #18 |
76. Statistically speaking, you have more to fear from the police |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
15. AHHH, disorderly conduct, or as it has come to be known by libertarians, "contempt of cop." |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
16. The case was not dismissed, either. |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
44. Couldn't happen in Arizona, where OC is common... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-10 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
69. That's effed-up. |
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