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mandan

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:15 AM
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Applications pile up

<http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2173392,00.html>

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Superfly

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:17 AM
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1. Excellent

Citizens exercising their rights is always a good thing to see. Yay, Colorado!

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CO Liberal

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:21 AM
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2. Stupidity Brought to You By Our Moronic Republican Legislators

Under marching orders from the gun lobby to wipe out local control. I'm afraid this will only lead to more shootings.

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Superfly

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:25 AM
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3. You guys put that legislature in office

you are going to have to deal with the laws they pass. It's called democracy.

This is wonderful. You aren't going to have to worry about the people seeking permits. The ones you are going have to worry about are those who do not seek a permit to carry and caryy, nonetheless.

This is a good thing for Colorado.

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CO Liberal

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:29 AM
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5. Not Me!!!!!

It's not MY fault there are too many assholes in this state who will only vote for morons with (R) after their name.

And I don't care what you think - I worry about ANYONE who feels the need to carry a gun.

This is a thoroughly SUCKY thing for Colorado.

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Superfly

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:31 AM
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7. COLiberal- "And I don't care what you think"

Edited on Tue Aug-12-03 09:32 AM by Superfly

Then why are we having this discussion?

Me thinks you are taking after another J/PS poster...(cry me a river)

Frankly, I expected more from you. Guess not.

B

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CO Liberal

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:39 AM
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10. You May Think This is a Good Thing ......

But I don't.

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Superfly

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:43 AM
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12. You know something...

I never felt the need to carry a gun, either. Until last August when I was the victim of an attempted carjacking and home robbery (with me inside).

Whereas I do NOT want to see you or anybody the victim of crime, you must respect the fact that some people feel, for whatever reason, compelled to protect themselves, their loved ones, and their property.

I cannot understand anybody who would deny a citizen that right, because they hate/fear guns or gun owners.

No, this is a VERY good thing for Colorado and the rest of America.

B

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CO Liberal

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:47 AM
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13. ANd I Can't Understand Why People Feel The Need to Carry Guns

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Superfly

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:53 AM
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14. OK, if you can't see

why I (for example) need to carry a gun, then I think our discussion and future ones will be moot.

I will continue to carry a gun as provided by the law, and encourage those who feel a similar need to apply for a permit.

Your position, frankly, baffles me. I thought you had no problem with the law-abiding who safely carry and conceal guns? Maybe I was wrong?

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CO Liberal

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:58 AM
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15. I Have a Problem With The Entire Concept of Carrying

I'm 50 years old and have lived in many different areas, including a year in Belleville NJ - the town next to Newark. And not once have I ever felt the need or desire to have a gun with me.

That's why the concept is so foreign to me......

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Superfly

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Tue Aug-12-03 10:12 AM
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16. Well, I'm 30 years old

have lived in many places to include:

Germany, Korea, Oklahoma, Washington State, Missouri, and Virginia. I never felt the need, either, to carry a gun until last year when I was a victim of 2 separate crimes on the same weekend.

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Cthulu_2004

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Tue Aug-12-03 10:19 AM
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19. I've never felt the need to have an abortion....

that doesn't mean it should be illegal, right?

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Man_in_the_Moon

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Tue Aug-12-03 10:29 AM
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23. It is not about 'need'

It is about preparedness.

I carry, and I never have felt the 'need' to, but I have always felt that to be prepared for the worse (and hoping for the best) to be the best way to go. Could be something driven into my head by my scoutmaster or my DS, I dunno. I also always carry a leatherman and a compass.

I would even say that those that routinely feel some type of 'need' to carry a gun, probably shouldnt.

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RoeBear

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Tue Aug-12-03 02:29 PM
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29. Assuming Colorado's system is similar to...

...Michigan's to get a CCW you have to get fingerprinted and background checked, take a class, have range time and pay a fee to get the license. You have said numerous times that you have no problem with law abiding people protecting themselves with a gun. Why have you changed your mind about law abiding people carrying?

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CO Liberal

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Tue Aug-12-03 05:10 PM
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32. Because There Are Too Many Hot-Headed Crazies Out There

And a lot of them phone in to local talk radio and identify themselves as gun owners. Many of them sound like they cannot be trusted with sharp objects, let alone guns.......

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Cthulu_2004

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Tue Aug-12-03 10:18 AM
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18. well, apparently a fair number of cops disagree with you...

"George Epp, executive director of the County Sheriffs of Colorado, said the changes are fine with most of his group.

"The majority (of sheriffs in Colorado) think that if citizens are appropriately trained and screened, then they should have it (the permit)," he said. "It adds to public safety." "

I'm wondering if you'd oppose a law putting 100,000 new cops on the streets in Colorado. After all, it would result in more people carrying guns...

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CO Liberal

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Tue Aug-12-03 10:21 AM
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21. 100,000 New Cops Sounds About Right

To counter the potential bloodshed created by more guns on the streets.

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Cthulu_2004

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Tue Aug-12-03 04:44 PM
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31. So, in 2 years...

when the increase in bloodshed hasn't materialized, will you change your position?

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slackmaster

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:32 AM
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8. I worry about anyone who is in fear as well

But speaking only for myself, if I lived in a shall-issue state I'd get the permit and probably never (or only very rarely) use it.

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MrBenchley

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:28 AM
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4. Better safe than sorrry...

Let them sit for months or even years....this should be the lowest priority of law enforcement, behind dog and bicycle licenses and community outreach.

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Cthulu_2004

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Tue Aug-12-03 10:16 AM
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17. if it takes more than 90 days....

to issue the permit, the locality is in violation of State law.

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slackmaster

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:30 AM
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6. CO, you've been saying that as long as I've been reading DU

Please let us know when it happens. Based on the track record of all of the other states that allow concealed carry I'm not going to waste a moment worrying about it next time I visit Colorado.

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CO Liberal

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:40 AM
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11. I Worry About It Every Day

Because this state is filled with assholes. Many of whom have guns.

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slackmaster

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Tue Aug-12-03 10:24 AM
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22. I truly, sincerely feel for you

Not sorry exactly, but empathy. It must be a terrible burden worrying every day about getting shot.

The only feeling I have that might be comparable is my daily worry about getting in a car crash. I have an 18-year-old whiplash injury from a major accident in which I was rear-ended and my car demolished. My back is very sensitive and can be set into spasms by someone poking me unexpectedly in the ribs or kidney area.

I'm extremely concerned at all times about what other drivers are going to do next. The anxiety literally gives me headaches.

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CO Liberal

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Tue Aug-12-03 10:46 AM
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24. I Feel Your Pain .... Literally

I was rear-ended three years ago on the Interstate. $4,500 damage to my truck, and two damaged disks in my lower back. I wear a TENS unit and take prescription painkillers every day to make the pain somewhat manageable, and I dread the daily trip on the Interstate with the lousy drivers with whom I share the road.

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Township75

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Tue Aug-12-03 12:07 PM
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26. Are you more worried about...

being involved in another automobile accident, or being involved in a gun accident/crime from a CCW permit holder?

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CO Liberal

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Tue Aug-12-03 01:23 PM
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28. It's Hard to Say

I know how many other drivers are on the road with me. I have no way of knowing how many people I come in contact with each day are packing heat.

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Township75

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Tue Aug-12-03 02:34 PM
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30. When you see how many people use cars each day...

do you think there are more people than that packing heat?

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demsrule4life

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Tue Aug-12-03 11:56 AM
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25. Cuts both ways

Democrats own Alabama and for most counties it takes about 15 minutes to get a CCW issued.

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Spentastic

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Tue Aug-12-03 09:33 AM
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9. Oh that's O.K then

"but with the younger generation getting more violent"

Yeah, just allow them to carry concealed too.

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jody

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Tue Aug-12-03 12:08 PM
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27. Over 99.5% approvals, CCW supported by majority Colorado Sheriffs

Edited on Tue Aug-12-03 12:10 PM by jody

Now citizens can exercise their inalienable right to defend self and property and be as well armed as criminals and law enforcement officers who don't have an inalienable RKBA.
:shrug:

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Walter_Bowman

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Tue Aug-12-03 06:00 PM
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33. Go Colorado!

Wish all states had law like this... actually, Alaska is better off.

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