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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:33 PM
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U.S. Murder Toll From Guns Highest in Big Cities: CDC
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/research/articles/2011/05/12/us-murder-toll-from-guns-highest-in-big-cities-cdc

Large metropolitan areas suffer about two-thirds of all firearm homicides in the United States, with inner cities most affected, according to a new report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


"The central cities really bear the burden of firearm homicides," said Linda L. Dahlberg, the associate director for science in CDC's Division of Violence Prevention, noting that the gun murder rate was highest among male children and teens.

<snip>

According to the CDC, 25,423 murders by gunfire took place in the United States in 2006 through 2007 -- the years of the most recent available statistics.

<snip>

In the United States, "gun violence escalated in the late 1980s and 1990s, fueled in part by the crack cocaine epidemic," Dahlberg said. "Even though the rates have declined since 1994, the proportion of youth homicides that are committed with firearms has remained consistently high."

<more>

No mention of the NRA myth "more guns less violence"

yup

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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:35 PM
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1. Wow, so I suppose gangs and drugs have nothing to do with this, right jpak???
No, better to take a cheap shot at the NRA and gun owners than actually address the root causes of the violence.

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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:07 PM
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9. asshole/liar Gary Kleck checks in
Gary Kleck, the David J. Bordua Professor of Criminology at Florida State University in Tallahassee, has another take on how to reduce inner-city gun violence.

The evidence suggests that better gun control doesn't necessarily reduce violence, but a broad-based approach tends to reduce homicide in general, he said.

For one thing, "locking up more criminals reduces violence; it's not gun specific," he said. There are treatment programs that can help, he added. "They basically teach offenders how to think differently when face a violent situation," Kleck said.

In addition, job training can help in getting people not to commit crimes or violence, Kleck said.


So here's the Gary Kleck solution...lock 'em up and throw away the key! We don't have a large enough prison population yet.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:17 PM
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13. Wow, way to jump to conclusions AGAIN!
Dude, that seems to be your specialty! Personally, I do not support the policy of "lock 'em up and throw away the key" as you put it. I think the root causes of crime, such as poverty, poor education, gentrification, etc. need to be addressed if we really wish to address crime. And I think progressives are doing a major disservice to themselves and the nation by expending so much political capital on gun control when that same capital could be getting spent on the true core issues, of which firearms is not among them.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. well you disagree with Kleck then
because he thinks the answer is to lock more people up. That's what he said.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:35 PM
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18. Yeah, I do believe that's exactly what I just said....
...I don't know about you, but I don't find that I have to agree with a person either 100% of the time or 0% of the time. Things are simply not that black and white.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:58 PM
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19. good then
Gary Kleck is an asshole who thinks we should solve crime problems by expanding the prison industrial complex.

What a prick he is for saying that!!! I'm sure you agree.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:16 PM
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21. If that is what he truly believes...
...then I'd ask him to provide evidence that doing so would ultimately solve the root causes of violence. Oh, sure, I'm sure we would see a decrease in repeat offenders (for obvious reasons) but that isn't solving the problem, just treating a symptom of it. In fact, gun control is much the same.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. you're straying from my point
that point being that Gary Kleck is a prick.

He wants to focus on one symptom, because he doesn't want any focus on another symptom.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:54 PM
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28. Ah, so you're admiting the gun crime is only a symptom of the problem?
Excellent! I'm sure we'll see you now on the front lines of the battle against spending our political capital on do nothing gun legislation while we should be attacking the root causes. I had you pegged wrong, HankyDubs. I think this is the start of something great for you now. :D
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #28
39. surely it is a symptom
Edited on Thu May-12-11 07:25 PM by HankyDubs
depending on what problem we are talking about, but doctors treat symptoms as well as underlying causes. There are other more direct causes of gun violence in cities, but to pretend that having lax gun laws doesn't contribute to the problem we are talking about is ridiculous.

This country being filled with guns is a problem, especially in communities like DC, for example. Lax gun laws are a cause of unstable people and criminals getting firearms, which is why I support closing the "private seller" loophole.

"I had you pegged wrong, HankyDubs"

I find that the shrill, angry 2a people often have me pegged wrong.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:24 PM
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43. First, I'm neither shrill nor angry...
...Second, comparing the freedom and liberty of a population to a high fever is beyond an over simplification. Third, after reading through the 2nd page of the article (didn't see the page 2 link on the bottom the first time) I see that you miss-characterized what Kleck said in the article, omitting the part dealing with programs that would help violent offenders think differently when faced with a violent situation. All that combines to me thinking that I didn't have you pegged wrong, but in fact had you pegged pretty much right on.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. I quoted Kleck directly
Not sure how you could miss that, or describe it as mischaracterization. I omitted nothing at all, included every word from him that appeared in the article. You might have noticed that if you weren't so angry.

The first thing he says is that we need to put more people in prison. That's his proposed solution.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:36 PM
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50. You didn't omit it in your copy/paste.
...but you did in your characterization of his statement when you said this: "So here's the Gary Kleck solution...lock 'em up and throw away the key!" This is not, in fact, what Kleck said should be done. So basically, you posted a quote, then characterized it in a seriously messed up fashion, all in one post. That takes some very real skill, or a few other things that I won't say here to avoid having my post deleted.

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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. see how angry you are?
Edited on Thu May-12-11 07:40 PM by HankyDubs
lol.

His answer is that we need to put more people in prison. That's what he said. No way around it.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:40 PM
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55. Yeah...there was a lot of anger in my post...
...suuuuuuuuuure. lol. Seriously, I'm starting to think you live in an alternate reality or somethin. :P
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #22
33. You're straying from the thread
I don't see anything in the OP about Kleck yet you keep bringing him up, post after post.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #33
41. that's because you didn't read the article, and I did
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:21 PM
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42. Probably, I read the OP
Edited on Thu May-12-11 07:23 PM by rl6214
Ok, read it now. Still doesn't change much.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #41
46. Yes, you did...
..then you misrepresented the position of a person quoted in the article. Clearly you are a person of high moral character.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. did I misrepresent?
Seems to me I quoted him directly.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. Yes you did...
..this mis-characterized his position in the very same post.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. I correctly characterized the position
I quoted him directly and entirely, and then offered my accurate interpretation. Your accusation is pathetic.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. lol.
Edited on Thu May-12-11 07:43 PM by eqfan592
You're "accurate interpretation?" Yes, a position that more criminals should be incarcerated and exposed to programs that might allow them to better handle violent situations equates exactly with "lock 'em up and throw away the key!" Heck, I couldn't see any difference at all between the two! It's almost as if they were out of the same persons mouth! :sarcasm: :P
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:54 PM
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57. yes, a position that more PEOPLE should be incarcerated
is the standard racist right wing law and order postition. It's easy to demonize people when you use the word "criminal" to describe them.

Kleck also seems to think that the only way people can be exposed to anger management programs is in prison.

Gary Kleck is an asshole.
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. Stating that violent offenders should be exposed to anger management programs...
...does not equate to stating that it is the ONLY way they can be exposed to them. I'm starting to think that you are too emotionally wrapped up in this issue to view it objectively and that your earlier statement about "Shrill, angry 2a defenders" was in fact a projection on your part of your own qualities.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #16
32. So you think they should just release criminals?
Why do we even bother trying them?

Catch and release, that's the way to do it. Just practice for the cops just in case they really need to do their jobs.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #32
49. I think we should release non-violent offenders
I'm not a fan of the racist right wing "law and order" position that makes us among the world leaders (aren't we #1 now?) in terms of the incarcerated population.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:26 PM
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23. and your solution is to let them run amok while scapegoating some farmer in Idaho
bullshit. How about pardoning and releasing the pot smokers to make room for gangsters and predators.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. lol @ strawman
always so much anger with you peeps.
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. how did I show anger
hardly a straw man. If you take your view to its logical conclusion you are saying that some deer hunter is the cause of urban crime.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #26
38. it surely is a strawman
to invent a position for me "you want 'them' (who is them?) to run amok."

"you are saying that some deer hunter is the cause of urban crime"

Another textbook strawman. Where did I say this?
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. Strawman?
how many of your posts bring up kleck?
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. kleck commented in this article
his answer was to imprison more people. You agree with this position?
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eqfan592 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. He also said...
...that prisons need to implement programs in prisons that would teach violent offenders how to think differently when faced with a violent situation, which is really a good deal different from your claim that he thinks we should lock up people and "throw away the key" as you stated in a previous post.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #37
44. Should criminals be put in prison or should they be let go?
I agree that criminals need to go to jail.

What do you propose we do with criminals?
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #37
45. depends on who you are imprisoning
victim less crimes like prostitution and pot, no like I said before, pardoning and releasing the pot smokers will empty the jails.
murders, rapists, psychopathic gangsters, pedophiles, etc yes.

and you
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #9
25. let me see
you never read his work, never met him. Everything you know is based on the paid for scribblings of a fourth rate economist that never had his work peer reviewed. Yeah I think I got your number.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #9
30. "lock 'em up and throw away the key"
Did you read something between the lines that I didn't see?

I don't see anything about throwing away the key. I agree that criminals need to be incarcerated for the full term of their conviction. They need to be prosecuted for gun crimes and not have DAs plead down the case just to get a conviction.

Get treatment and rehab the criminals, don't just get them out on good behavior as quickly as they can. Get them job training so when they do get out they can do something instead of going back to crime.
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armueller2001 Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:36 PM
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2. You must have missed the part that said
Edited on Thu May-12-11 04:36 PM by armueller2001
rates have declined since 1994.

Reading comprehension fail?

YUP
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. What are yout talking about?
Edited on Thu May-12-11 04:44 PM by rfranklin
It's right there in the original post. Huh?

By the way, FAIL is like, you know, a valley girl expression.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #4
58. Totally off topic, but I really don't think "fail" is valspeak
More like gamer-speak, and it looks like some sources peg it to a game called Blazing Star...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blazing_Star
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. what happened in 1994?
Another 2a supporter enamored with the 1994 Assault Weapnos Ban? Wow.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #2
14. The decline had nothing to do with gun ownership - which has declined as well
It had everything to do with the wane of the Crack Epidemic

yup

:popcorn:
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. I agree with you generally, but caution against simple answers
to complex problems.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:40 PM
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3. snip snip snip snip
you just shredded that article. yup.
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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. jpac provided the article and was honest about where he cut
have anything relevant to say?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:14 PM
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11. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. Que?
Are you insinuating that I am jpac? I assure you I am not.

Now that we are past that, do YOU have anything relevant to say?
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:21 PM
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60. the data is old and if one cuts and pastes differently, one can change the
whole tone of the article:

To reduce the carnage, the country needs to teach young people ways to resolve conflicts without violence, according to the CDC.

<snip>

For the study, researchers used data from the National Vital Statistics System and the U.S. Census Bureau to calculate gun murders in the 50 largest U.S. cities for 2006-2007.

The researchers found regional differences in the rates of firearm homicides rates, which tended to be higher in cities in the Midwest and South than in the Northeast and West.

Dahlberg noted that research shows that youth violence is preventable -- with effort. "Programs that build skills in resolving conflicts without resorting to violence have resulted in reductions in youth violence," she said.

Parenting and mentoring programs can also have a strong impact. So can community-wide programs that focus on neighborhoods trying to change the physical and social environment, Dahlberg added. "Neighborhood interventions have resulted in significant reductions in crime and violence," she said.

There are also programs like "Cease Fire" that focus on preventing shooting and try to work with many people in the community, including hospitals and community outreach groups, to help defuse violence and "change the community norms around violence," Dahlberg said.

see, same article/different tone.

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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:56 PM
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5. Why do cities have such a hard time controlling their gunz?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #5
20. Because they're so readily available in the countryside and there's no Customs at the city limits.
But you knew that.

Tesha
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gejohnston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. which begs the question
why aren't the people in the countryside killing each other at the same rate or higher than the people in the cities?
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:57 PM
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6. I thought you said the NRA blocked all these CDC studies?
Edited on Thu May-12-11 04:57 PM by DonP
Last week you had several posts claiming that the NRA was blocking all research on guns from the CDC?

Is this a study they did before the NRA supposedly blocked their research? Or did they sneak this one out the back door?

Great result though. Crime is higher in big cities than rural areas but still declining overall. Wow, let me make a note of that.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:07 PM
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10. Here are the top 5, from the FBI (newer data..)
5 highest murder rate, over 500k

MICHIGAN................Detroit.......40.18
MARYLAND................Baltimore.....37.26
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA....Washington....23.85
TENNESSEE...............Memphis.......19.78
PENNSYLVANIA............Philadelphia..19.51


5 highest murder rate, over 250k

LOUISIANA.......New Orleans.......51.72
MISSOURI........St. Louis.........40.26
MICHIGAN........Detroit...........40.18
MARYLAND........Baltimore.........37.26
NEW JERSEY......Newark............28.65


5 highest murder rate, over 100k

LOUISIANA.....New Orleans....51.72
CALIFORNIA....Richmond.......45.82
MISSOURI......St. Louis......40.26
MICHIGAN......Detroit........40.18
MARYLAND......Baltimore......37.26


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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:16 PM
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12. Such a tragedy. Now carry on dying Americans.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:57 PM
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29. "No mention of the NRA myth "more guns less violence""
Probably because they know it's not true. YOU are the only one spouting that bullshit.

"Large metropolitan areas suffer about two-thirds of all firearm homicides in the United States, with inner cities most affected"

Can anyone say THUG CULTURE?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:05 PM
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31. Dispute these facts if you can ...
The NRA might say that more guns equals less crime and I'm sure the fact that more civilians are armed and have carry permits has been one of the driving factors in the decrease in violent crime.

However since there are so many factors invoked in the violent crime rate I prefer to simplify and say that more guns does not equal more crime. I'll present the following links to show that violent crime is down significantly since 1993 and that gun sales have skyrocketed since Obama was elected.


Gun Violence
How Prevalent is Gun Violence in America?


In 2005, 11,346 persons were killed by firearm violence and 477,040 persons were victims of a crime committed with a firearm. Most murders in the United States are committed with firearms, especially handguns.

***snip***

Homicides committed with firearms peaked in 1993 at 17,075, after which the figure steadily fell, leveling off in 1999 at 10,117. Gun-related homicides have increased slightly each year since 2002.






http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-violence/




Violent Crime Falls Sharply
Latest Decline, of 5.5%, Challenges Belief That Recessions Drive Up Rate

U.S. NEWS
MAY 25, 2010


Violent crime fell significantly last year in cities across the U.S., according to preliminary federal statistics, challenging the widely held belief that recessions drive up crime rates.

The incidence of violent crimes such as murder, rape and aggravated assault was down 5.5% from 2008, and 6.9% in big cities. It fell 2.4% in long-troubled Detroit and plunged 16.6% in Phoenix, despite a perception of rising crime that has fueled an immigration backlash.

The early figures, from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, indicate a third straight year of decreases, along with a sharply accelerating rate of decline. emphasis added



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704113504575264432463469618.html




http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/december/crime_122010/image/crime-stats-chart-new
The Latest Stats
Show a Continuing Decline in Crime

12/20/10

We’ve just released our first peek into crime in 2010—with a snapshot of the first six months of the year.

The early returns are encouraging. According to the Preliminary Semiannual Uniform Crime Report, January-June, 2010, the nation saw a 6.2 percent decrease in the number of reported violent crimes and a 2.8 percent decrease in the number of reported property crimes compared to data for the same time frame during 2009.

The report specifically covers the violent crimes of murder, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault…and the property crimes of burglary, larceny-theft, and motor vehicle theft. It also includes arson, which is considered a property crime but is tracked separately for this report.
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Boom in Gun Sales Fueled by Politics and the Economy
By Sean Gregory Wednesday, Apr. 08, 2009

According to the SportsOneSource, a research firm that tracks the sporting-goods industry, firearms sales in large retail outlets are up 39% this year. Shops across the country are reporting ammunition shortages because stores can't meet demand for bullets. Data from the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which the industry uses as a proxy for overall firearms sales, are also revealing. From November 2008 through March 2009, FBI background checks, which are required every time a federally licensed gun dealer makes a sale, rose 29.3% over the same period a year earlier. In November alone, checks jumped 42%, to 1,529,635, the largest monthly total in the decade that the system has been in place. "Consumer demand is unprecedented," says Larry Keane, general counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association for the firearms and ammunition industry.

Two factors are fueling the rise. The first is political. It's no coincidence that a record number of background checks occurred in November, the month Barack Obama was elected President and the Democrats took control of Congress. People grew anxious that the Obama Administration would ban semiautomatic weapons, so they rushed to buy guns before legislation could be passed. In a December survey by the research firm Southwick Associates, nearly 80% of active hunters and target shooters said they believed firearm purchases would "become more difficult" under the new Administration and a Democratic Congress. "Everybody is waiting for when the next foot is going to fall in taking away the right to bear arms," says Doug VanderWoude, owner of Silver Bullet Firearms in Wyoming, Mich., near Grand Rapids. He estimates that business is up 50% in 2009. (See pictures of an ammunition plant.)

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A new market of gun buyers is emerging. Hall estimates that some 80% of his sales since the election have been to first- and second-time gun purchasers, many nervous that this may be their last chance. "Thus far, the Obama Administration has done what they set out to do," says Joe Keffer, who owns a shop in New Holland, Pa. "And therein lies the concern." (Read "The Future

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1889886,00.html#ixzz1MBava3xV


USA Continues 11 Month Record Gun Buying Streak
Thursday, May 5th, 2011 at 7:52 PM

NEWTOWN, Conn --(Ammoland.com)- The April 2011 NSSF-adjusted National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) figure of 843,484 is an increase of 15.2 percent over the NSSF-adjusted NICS figure of 731,955 in April 2010.

For comparison, the unadjusted April 2011 NICS figure of 1,339,673 is an increase of 9.2 percent over the unadjusted NICS figure of 1,226,760 in April 2010.

This marks the eleventh straight month-over-month increase in NSSF-adjusted NICS figures.

The adjusted NICS data was derived by NSSF by subtracting out all NICS purpose code permit checks used by several states such as Kentucky, Iowa and Utah for CCW permit application checks as well as checks on active CCW permit databases.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:12 PM
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36. Nice post, I 100% agree there is no way to prove CCW lowers the crime rate but we know....
it does not increase the crime rate.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:37 PM
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52. Thanks. (n/t)
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:09 PM
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35. I noticed how you ignored the Chicago store clerk post. Smart of you! :-)
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 09:52 PM
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61. I sometimes think I would be anti-gun if I grew up in an urban environment. nt
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